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  How to simulate buttons pressed "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-05 15:48 +0200
    Re: How to simulate buttons pressed "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-05 18:39 +0200
      Re: How to simulate buttons pressed Martin Honnen <mahotrash@yahoo.de> - 2012-10-05 19:00 +0200
    Re: How to simulate buttons pressed Danny <dann90038@gmail.com> - 2012-10-05 12:21 -0700
      Re: How to simulate buttons pressed "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-05 23:33 +0200
    Weak in javascript but stubborn as a mule "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-06 11:56 +0200
      Re: Weak in javascript but stubborn as a mule "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-06 10:14 +0000
        Re: Weak in javascript but stubborn as a mule "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-06 14:24 +0200
          Re: Weak in javascript but stubborn as a mule Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2012-10-06 14:34 +0000
            Re: Weak in javascript but stubborn as a mule "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-06 17:16 +0200
              Re: Weak in javascript but stubborn as a mule Jake Jarvis <pig_in_shoes@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-06 19:20 +0200
                Re: Weak in javascript but stubborn as a mule "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-06 20:08 +0200
              Re: Weak in javascript but stubborn as a mule Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2012-10-08 04:47 +0000
    Re: How to simulate buttons pressed jmrw <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-11-11 09:22 +0100
      Re: How to simulate buttons pressed "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-11 09:46 +0100
        Re: How to simulate buttons pressed jmrw <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-11-11 10:35 +0100
          Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed SAM <stephanemoriaux.NoAdmin@wanadoo.fr.invalid> - 2012-11-11 12:14 +0100
            Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-11-11 13:11 +0000
            Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-13 00:38 +0100
              Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed SAM <stephanemoriaux.NoAdmin@wanadoo.fr.invalid> - 2012-11-13 02:26 +0100
                Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-13 07:37 +0100
                  Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-13 11:21 +0000
                    Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-13 20:52 +0100
                      Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-11-13 20:15 +0000
                        Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-13 22:45 +0100
                          Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-11-13 22:31 +0000
                  Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-14 19:31 +0000
                    Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-15 11:56 +0000
                      Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-16 20:14 +0000
              Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-13 17:00 +0000
                Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-14 10:03 +0100
                  Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed Dr J R Stockton <reply1246@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-15 22:00 +0000

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#17199 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

SAM wrote on 13 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:

> Le 13/11/12 00:38, Evertjan. a écrit :
>>
>> "áscian" is the AngloSaxon form of a common Germanic verb.
>>
>> <http://bosworth.ff.cuni.cz/038975>
> 
> Comme là je ne comprends rien à rien !

Ah, quelle stubbornité. 

> (du charabia, du latin, de l'anglais, tout ça mélangé ...)
> J'ai demandé "ask" dans le champs de recherche et ça me dit :
>      « acsian, acsigan; p. ode; pp. od To ask, ask for, demand »

Using etymology of a word to define present day meaning nuances is silly.
The original Latin meaning of "demandare" was "give in trust/commission", 
where "ask" was "poscere".

And indeed present day "ask" can be used in an obligatory form,
for instance if such asking is done by someone in power,
but "demand" cannot be used in a non-obligatoy one.  

Even a "polite demand" promises dire consequences when not fulfilled.

== Getting back to on-topic: ==

"Demanding an answer to a Q" on this NG is terribly impolite,
as this Javascript NG is not a paid helpdesk,
and rudeness would certainly not be answered,
but for obvious misuse by some French people, 
who are obviously just erroring languagewize,
and should be corrected forthwith.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
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#17200 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 at 07:37:57, in comp.lang.javascript, Evertjan.
wrote:

  <snip>
>who are obviously just erroring languagewize,
  <snip>

's', not 'z' :-)

  John
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#17206 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

John G Harris wrote on 13 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 at 07:37:57, in comp.lang.javascript, Evertjan.
> wrote:
> 
>   <snip>
>>who are obviously just erroring languagewize,
>   <snip>
> 
> 's', not 'z' :-)

Obviously an oblivious error by me, languagewise.

However, 
the OED does know neither languagewize nor languagewise.

Perhaps,
language-wise exists only as opposed to language-unwise? 

====

In it's otherwise unwisely way, wise Wikipedia shows:

British English using -ize is known as Oxford spelling and is used in 
publications of the Oxford University Press, most notably the Oxford 
English Dictionary (OED). 

... and other publishers who are "etymology conscious," according to 
Merriam-Webster.

American spelling avoids -ise endings in words like organize, realize and 
recognize.[35] British spelling uses both -ize and -ise (organize / 
organise, realize / realise, recognize / recognise),[35] and the ratio 
between -ise and -ize stands at 3:2 in the British National Corpus.[36] In 
Australia and New Zealand -ise spellings strongly prevail: the -ise form 
is preferred in Australian English at a ratio of about 3:1 according to 
the Macquarie Dictionary.

Worldwide, -ize endings prevail in scientific writing and are commonly 
used by many international organizations, such as the International 
Organization for Standardization and the World Health Organization. The 
European Union switched from -ize to -ise some years ago in its English 
language publications, meaning that -ize spellings are found in older 
legislative acts and -ise spellings in more recent ones. Proofreaders at 
the EU's Publications Office ensure consistent spelling in official 
publications such as the Official Journal (where legislation and other 
official documents are published), but the -ize spelling may be found in 
other documents.

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Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
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#17207 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

In article <XnsA10AD445CE19Eeejj99@194.109.133.133>,
 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:

> John G Harris wrote on 13 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:
> 
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 at 07:37:57, in comp.lang.javascript, Evertjan.
> > wrote:
> > 
> >   <snip>
> >>who are obviously just erroring languagewize,
> >   <snip>
> > 
> > 's', not 'z' :-)
> 
> Obviously an oblivious error by me, languagewise.
> 
> However, 
> the OED does know neither languagewize nor languagewise.
> 
> Perhaps,
> language-wise exists only as opposed to language-unwise? 
> 
> ====
> 
> In it's otherwise unwisely way, wise Wikipedia shows:
> 
> British English using -ize is known as Oxford spelling and is used in 
> publications of the Oxford University Press, most notably the Oxford 
> English Dictionary (OED). 
> 
> ... and other publishers who are "etymology conscious," according to 
> Merriam-Webster.
> 
> American spelling avoids -ise endings in words like organize, realize and 
> recognize.[35] British spelling uses both -ize and -ise (organize / 
> organise, realize / realise, recognize / recognise),[35] and the ratio 
> between -ise and -ize stands at 3:2 in the British National Corpus.[36] In 
> Australia and New Zealand -ise spellings strongly prevail: the -ise form 
> is preferred in Australian English at a ratio of about 3:1 according to 
> the Macquarie Dictionary.
> 
> Worldwide, -ize endings prevail in scientific writing and are commonly 
> used by many international organizations, such as the International 
> Organization for Standardization and the World Health Organization. The 
> European Union switched from -ize to -ise some years ago in its English 
> language publications, meaning that -ize spellings are found in older 
> legislative acts and -ise spellings in more recent ones. Proofreaders at 
> the EU's Publications Office ensure consistent spelling in official 
> publications such as the Official Journal (where legislation and other 
> official documents are published), but the -ize spelling may be found in 
> other documents.

-ize looks ugly. And there are certain words (e.g. advertise, 
enterprise) for which -ise is the correct spelling.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#17209 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

Tim Streater wrote on 13 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:

> -ize looks ugly. 

It doesn't to me.

What about "size" [n, v], "Americanize" [v]. 

Ugly in a localized dialectic view, I presume? 

================================

Middle French -iser, from Late Latin -izare, from Greek -izein

The suffix -ize has been productive in English since the time of Thomas 
Nashe (1567–1601), who claimed credit for introducing it into English to 
remedy the surplus of monosyllabic words. Almost any noun or adjective can 
be made into a verb by adding -ize <hospitalize> <familiarize>; many 
technical terms are coined this way <oxidize> as well as verbs of ethnic 
derivation <Americanize> and verbs derived from proper names <bowdlerize> 
<mesmerize>. Nashe noted in 1591 that his -ize coinages were being 
criticized, and to this day new words ending in -ize <finalize> 
<prioritize> are sure to draw critical fire.

<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/-ize>

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#17211 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

In article <XnsA10AE78B11601eejj99@194.109.133.133>,
 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:

> Tim Streater wrote on 13 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:
> 
> > -ize looks ugly. 
> 
> It doesn't to me.

Perhaps your'e too americanised. There, as I found when I lived there, 
they take uglification to new heights.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#17250 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

In comp.lang.javascript message <XnsA10A4DA4AED56eejj99@194.109.133.133>
, Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:37:57, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
posted:

>
>And indeed present day "ask" can be used in an obligatory form,
>for instance if such asking is done by someone in power,
>but "demand" cannot be used in a non-obligatoy one.

Certainly it can.  Children can demand pocket-money and sweets, and
parents can demand obedience and silence - but the demand is often not
satisfied.

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#17256 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 19:31:25, in comp.lang.javascript, Dr J R
Stockton wrote:
>In comp.lang.javascript message <XnsA10A4DA4AED56eejj99@194.109.133.133>
>, Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:37:57, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
>posted:
>
>>
>>And indeed present day "ask" can be used in an obligatory form,
>>for instance if such asking is done by someone in power,
>>but "demand" cannot be used in a non-obligatoy one.
>
>Certainly it can.  Children can demand pocket-money and sweets, and
>parents can demand obedience and silence - but the demand is often not
>satisfied.

The Tax man asks you questions, then demands money. I think that is an
example of what Evertan is saying. The fact that you might not answer
the questions or pay the money does not stop 'demand' being described as
obligatory, especially by the Tax man.

  John
-- 
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#17269 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

In comp.lang.javascript message <qPvGTwDshNpQFwGl@J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD0
8924D9443D28E23ED5CD>, Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:56:28, John G Harris
<john@nospam.demon.co.uk> posted:

>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 at 19:31:25, in comp.lang.javascript, Dr J R
>Stockton wrote:
>>In comp.lang.javascript message <XnsA10A4DA4AED56eejj99@194.109.133.133>
>>, Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:37:57, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
>>posted:
>>
>>>
>>>And indeed present day "ask" can be used in an obligatory form,
>>>for instance if such asking is done by someone in power,
>>>but "demand" cannot be used in a non-obligatoy one.
>>
>>Certainly it can.  Children can demand pocket-money and sweets, and
>>parents can demand obedience and silence - but the demand is often not
>>satisfied.
>
>The Tax man asks you questions, then demands money. I think that is an
>example of what Evertan is saying. The fact that you might not answer
>the questions or pay the money does not stop 'demand' being described as
>obligatory, especially by the Tax man.

Of course - but I did not write about the Tax Man.  See "Asterix et le
Chaudron", around page 43.


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#17213 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

In comp.lang.javascript message <XnsA10A69736716eejj99@194.109.133.133>,
Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:38:52, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
posted:

>English being AngloSaxon covered with some French sauce,
>the latter introduced by conquering Normandian nobility.

AngloSaxon is not an English word, and Normandian is not used in that
context (Anglo-Saxon, Norman).  English contains Dutch-derived words too
- consider "euphroe".

I've been considering the meaning intended by the string "exantlati" in
Euler's c.18 Latin.

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#17220 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

Dr J R Stockton wrote on 13 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:

> AngloSaxon is not an English word, and Normandian is not used in that
> context (Anglo-Saxon, Norman). 

I like teasing you with newspeak, hoping these words will become accepted.

I propose "Normandian" as the language of the "peuple" of Normandy.

> English contains Dutch-derived words too
> - consider "euphroe".

They are obviously used to suspend an awning.

This "eu" in juffouw gives me the shivers [Middle Dutch "scheveren"]
like heavy Texan[ic] "dezjhavoooo" for delicate French "déjà-vu"
<http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0-vu>

consider "wentletrap" 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentletrap>

> I've been considering the meaning intended by the string "exantlati" in
> Euler's c.18 Latin.

adhuc exantlati omni fructu caruissent
= still those who suffered would have been deprived of all the fruit

exantlo should be exanclo
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%
3A1999.04.0060%3Aentry%3Dexanclo>

We might be tempted to assume, therefore, that the Latin verb "careo" will
also take the accusative case.  But it doesn't.  "Careo" is construed with 
the ablative case in Latin.
<http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/Wheelock-Latin/lat35.txt>


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#17262 — Re: [OoT] How to simulate buttons pressed

In comp.lang.javascript message <XnsA10B664DC1767eejj99@194.109.133.133>
, Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:03:24, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
posted:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote on 13 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:

>> I've been considering the meaning intended by the string "exantlati" in
>> Euler's c.18 Latin.
>
>adhuc exantlati omni fructu caruissent
>= still those who suffered would have been deprived of all the fruit


You are probably right.  I failed to find any explanation of
"exantlati", and was considering that it might be an Eulerian error for
exatlanti, so that the meaning might resemble "labours of all the
descendants of the Gods", which is /(more)|(too)/ poetic.

Would you care to go to <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/euler304.htm>,
seek the 'word' "2.00" in the middle gutter, and consider the
translation in the right of the second paragraph, in particular the
later part?  I wish to exterminate the reddish bits.

BTW, above that part, I think "bis vel ter" is an author's
underestimate.


To return to the topic of the group, approximately - that Web page
contains equations "typeset" by MathJax, a tool written in JavaScript.

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