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  Node.js jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-05-16 08:49 -0700
    Re: Node.js jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-05-16 09:00 -0700
      Re: Node.js jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-05-16 09:19 -0700
        Re: Node.js jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-05-16 09:41 -0700
          Re: Node.js jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-05-16 09:46 -0700
        Re: Node.js Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2016-05-16 12:53 -0400
          Re: Node.js Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-16 22:20 +0200
            Re: Node.js Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-05-16 18:08 -0400
              Re: Node.js Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-05-16 23:16 +0100
              Re: Node.js Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-17 08:01 +0200
                Re: Node.js Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-05-17 16:16 -0400
                  Re: Node.js DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-05-18 02:25 +0100
                    Re: Node.js Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-18 20:08 +0200
                      Re: Node.js Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-05-18 14:54 -0400
                        Re: Node.js Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-19 06:55 +0200
            Re: Node.js jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 00:35 -0700
              Re: Node.js Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-05-17 16:51 -0400
      Re: Node.js Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2016-05-16 20:01 +0200

#30439 — Node.js

I just installed node js, and run the hello snippet.

Could someone point me to simplest possible example where a HTML file "is used to call?" a js file. Will i need a webserver, is node.js a webserver?

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#30440

Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 17:49:40 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> I just installed node js, and run the hello snippet.
> 
> Could someone point me to simplest possible example where a HTML file "is used to call?" a js file. Will i need a webserver, is node.js a webserver?

My goal is to make HTML5 apps from some old HTML pages with invoked java scripts, is node js the tool to do that?

The code lumps start to get big unmanagable and i thought breaking up the scripts into functionX.js called from a main would help. Is it possible?

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#30441

Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 18:00:22 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 17:49:40 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> > I just installed node js, and run the hello snippet.
> > 
> > Could someone point me to simplest possible example where a HTML file "is used to call?" a js file. Will i need a webserver, is node.js a webserver?
> 
> My goal is to make HTML5 apps from some old HTML pages with invoked java scripts, is node js the tool to do that?
> 
> The code lumps start to get big unmanagable and i thought breaking up the scripts into functionX.js called from a main would help. Is it possible?

Are all .js files serverside "executed on server", i want clientside "browser executed" javascript but i want to split the code/script over several files, is that possible?

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#30442

Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 18:19:34 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 18:00:22 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> > Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 17:49:40 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> > > I just installed node js, and run the hello snippet.
> > > 
> > > Could someone point me to simplest possible example where a HTML file "is used to call?" a js file. Will i need a webserver, is node.js a webserver?
> > 
> > My goal is to make HTML5 apps from some old HTML pages with invoked java scripts, is node js the tool to do that?
> > 
> > The code lumps start to get big unmanagable and i thought breaking up the scripts into functionX.js called from a main would help. Is it possible?
> 
> Are all .js files serverside "executed on server", i want clientside "browser executed" javascript but i want to split the code/script over several files, is that possible?

I found an example of a HTML5 app i liked, but i am not sure how it works.
Are the html5-canvas-drawing-app.js run serverside or downloaded to the client/browser and run?
How can i tell?

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
  <head>
    <title>Create HTML5 Canvas JavaScript Drawing App Example</title>
  </head>
  <body>
    <div id="canvasDiv"></div>
    <!--[if IE]><script type="text/javascript" src="excanvas.js"></script><![endif]-->
    <script type="text/javascript" src="html5-canvas-drawing-app.js"></script>
    <script type="text/javascript">
    	 drawingApp.init();
	</script>
  </body>
</html>

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#30443

Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 18:41:28 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 18:19:34 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> > Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 18:00:22 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> > > Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 17:49:40 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> > > > I just installed node js, and run the hello snippet.
> > > > 
> > > > Could someone point me to simplest possible example where a HTML file "is used to call?" a js file. Will i need a webserver, is node.js a webserver?
> > > 
> > > My goal is to make HTML5 apps from some old HTML pages with invoked java scripts, is node js the tool to do that?
> > > 
> > > The code lumps start to get big unmanagable and i thought breaking up the scripts into functionX.js called from a main would help. Is it possible?
> > 
> > Are all .js files serverside "executed on server", i want clientside "browser executed" javascript but i want to split the code/script over several files, is that possible?
> 
> I found an example of a HTML5 app i liked, but i am not sure how it works.
> Are the html5-canvas-drawing-app.js run serverside or downloaded to the client/browser and run?
> How can i tell?
> 
> <!DOCTYPE html>
> <html>
>   <head>
>     <title>Create HTML5 Canvas JavaScript Drawing App Example</title>
>   </head>
>   <body>
>     <div id="canvasDiv"></div>
>     <!--[if IE]><script type="text/javascript" src="excanvas.js"></script><![endif]-->
>     <script type="text/javascript" src="html5-canvas-drawing-app.js"></script>
>     <script type="text/javascript">
>     	 drawingApp.init();
> 	</script>
>   </body>
> </html>

I may have an idea about what an HTML5 app is but it may be terrible wrong. It is an app starting up in the browser as a local service?

It just download the package? So what should be serverside become clientside using a localhost webservice that is started by the app?

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#30444

jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:

>Are all .js files serverside "executed on server", i want clientside 
>"browser executed" javascript but i want to split the code/script 
>over several files, is that possible?

All (or nearly all) javascript is shipped to the client and executed
there. You can have various chunks of code in various *.js files on
the server, so long as the HTML page references all of them.

-- 
Tim Slattery
tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

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#30448

Tim Slattery wrote:

> jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
>> Are all .js files serverside "executed on server", i want clientside
>> "browser executed" javascript but i want to split the code/script
>> over several files, is that possible?
> 
> All (or nearly all) javascript is shipped to the client and executed
> there. You can have various chunks of code in various *.js files on
> the server, so long as the HTML page references all of them.

There are no “HTML pages” (this is an outdated concept that has always been 
underdefined at best), and *client-side* script resources can now be loaded 
*on demand* in a reliable, non-blocking, and standards-compliant way. [1]  
(If ECMAScript implementations in Web browsers would also implement the 
“export” and “import” features of ECMAScript 2015, we could be writing 
script modules and have them loaded implicitly now instead of through 
RequireJS [2] and similar libraries. [3])

Since the References header field is borken, presumably because Google 
Groups borked the Message-ID, I cannot see if and how this pertains to 
Node.js, which is a *server-side* environment based on Google V8 JavaScript 
in that regard; Node.js modules are *never* “shipped to the client”. [4]  

The OP should read the FAQ and learn “How To Ask Questions The Smart Way”.  

The author of the precursor should read the FAQ, STFW, and update their 
knowledge base before giving further advice.

__________
[1] <https://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-html5-20141028/scripting-1.html#the-script-element>
[2] <http://requirejs.org/>
[3] <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/export>
[4] <https://nodejs.org/en/>
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#30449

On 16/05/16 16:20, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Tim Slattery wrote:
> 
>> jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Are all .js files serverside "executed on server", i want clientside
>>> "browser executed" javascript but i want to split the code/script
>>> over several files, is that possible?
>>
>> All (or nearly all) javascript is shipped to the client and executed
>> there. You can have various chunks of code in various *.js files on
>> the server, so long as the HTML page references all of them.
> 
> There are no “HTML pages” (this is an outdated concept that has always been 
> underdefined at best), and *client-side* script resources can now be loaded 
> *on demand* in a reliable, non-blocking, and standards-compliant way. [1]  
> (If ECMAScript implementations in Web browsers would also implement the 
> “export” and “import” features of ECMAScript 2015, we could be writing 
> script modules and have them loaded implicitly now instead of through 
> RequireJS [2] and similar libraries. [3])
> 
> Since the References header field is borken, presumably because Google 
> Groups borked the Message-ID, I cannot see if and how this pertains to 
> Node.js, which is a *server-side* environment based on Google V8 JavaScript 
> in that regard; Node.js modules are *never* “shipped to the client”. [4]  
> 
> The OP should read the FAQ and learn “How To Ask Questions The Smart Way”.  
> 
> The author of the precursor should read the FAQ, STFW, and update their 
> knowledge base before giving further advice.
> 
> __________
> [1] <https://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-html5-20141028/scripting-1.html#the-script-element>
> [2] <http://requirejs.org/>
> [3] <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/export>
> [4] <https://nodejs.org/en/>

As always, your daily doze of copypasta plus arrogance is always
appreciated. ;)

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#30450

In article <nhdg6r$nif$1@dont-email.me>, Aleksandro
<aleksandro@gmx.com> wrote:

>On 16/05/16 16:20, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Tim Slattery wrote:
>> 
>>> jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Are all .js files serverside "executed on server", i want clientside
>>>> "browser executed" javascript but i want to split the code/script
>>>> over several files, is that possible?
>>>
>>> All (or nearly all) javascript is shipped to the client and executed
>>> there. You can have various chunks of code in various *.js files on
>>> the server, so long as the HTML page references all of them.
>> 
>> There are no “HTML pages” (this is an outdated concept that has always been 
>> underdefined at best), and *client-side* script resources can now be loaded 
>> *on demand* in a reliable, non-blocking, and standards-compliant way. [1]  
>> (If ECMAScript implementations in Web browsers would also implement the 
>> “export” and “import” features of ECMAScript 2015, we could be writing 
>> script modules and have them loaded implicitly now instead of through 
>> RequireJS [2] and similar libraries. [3])
>> 
>> Since the References header field is borken, presumably because Google 
>> Groups borked the Message-ID, I cannot see if and how this pertains to 
>> Node.js, which is a *server-side* environment based on Google V8 JavaScript 
>> in that regard; Node.js modules are *never* “shipped to the client”. [4]  
>> 
>> The OP should read the FAQ and learn “How To Ask Questions The Smart Way”.  
>> 
>> The author of the precursor should read the FAQ, STFW, and update their 
>> knowledge base before giving further advice.
>> 
>> __________
>> [1]
>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-html5-20141028/scripting-1.html#the-script-el
>> ement>
>> [2] <http://requirejs.org/>
>> [3]
>> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements
>> /export>
>> [4] <https://nodejs.org/en/>
>
>As always, your daily doze of copypasta plus arrogance is always
>appreciated. ;)

Daily dose, actually, although such a dose as this would certainly
cause you to doze. :-)

-- 
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#30451

Aleksandro wrote:

> [Full quote]
> 
> As always, your daily doze of copypasta plus arrogance is always
> appreciated. ;)

You have not read it, have you?

-- 
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Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
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#30462

On 17/05/16 02:01, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Aleksandro wrote:
> 
>> [Full quote]
>>
>> As always, your daily doze of copypasta plus arrogance is always
>> appreciated. ;)
> 
> You have not read it, have you?

The same I could ask about every time I ask why you unplonked me, it
just happens that you ignore my question every time. <3

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#30467

On 17/05/2016 21:16, Aleksandro wrote:
> The same I could ask about every time I ask why you unplonked me, it
> just happens that you ignore my question every time. <3
>

Probably because he likes you but ashamed to admit it.  There are some 
weird people on the web who are stalking people!!  Windows and Linux  
newsgroups are full of such people.

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#30472

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:

> On 17/05/2016 21:16, Aleksandro wrote:
>> The same I could ask about every time I ask why you unplonked me, it
>> just happens that you ignore my question every time. <3
> 
> Probably because he likes you but ashamed to admit it.  There are some
> weird people on the web who are stalking people!!  Windows and Linux
> newsgroups are full of such people.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.  But then again, what to expect 
from a pseudonymous coward posting via the troll server, aioe.org.

-- 
PointedEars
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Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
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#30474

On 18/05/16 14:08, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
> 
>> On 17/05/2016 21:16, Aleksandro wrote:
>>> The same I could ask about every time I ask why you unplonked me, it
>>> just happens that you ignore my question every time. <3
>>
>> Probably because he likes you but ashamed to admit it.  There are some
>> weird people on the web who are stalking people!!  Windows and Linux
>> newsgroups are full of such people.
> 
> Nothing could be farther from the truth.  But then again, what to expect 
> from a pseudonymous coward posting via the troll server, aioe.org.

Shut up, you love me, it has been proven.

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#30475

Aleksandro wrote:

> On 18/05/16 14:08, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>> 
>>> On 17/05/2016 21:16, Aleksandro wrote:
>>>> The same I could ask about every time I ask why you unplonked me, it
>>>> just happens that you ignore my question every time. <3
>>>
>>> Probably because he likes you but ashamed to admit it.  There are some
>>> weird people on the web who are stalking people!!  Windows and Linux
>>> newsgroups are full of such people.
>> 
>> Nothing could be farther from the truth.  But then again, what to expect
>> from a pseudonymous coward posting via the troll server, aioe.org.
> 
> Shut up, you love me, it has been proven.

You want proof to the contrary?  OK, then.  Why don’t you finally shut up, 
fuck off, and die?  Your kind is neither needed nor wanted here.

Or, alternatively, finally start behaving like a civilized person.

-- 
PointedEars
FAQ: <http://PointedEars.de/faq> | SVN: <http://PointedEars.de/wsvn/>
Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#30452

Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 22:20:36 UTC+2 skrev Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Tim Slattery wrote:
> 
> > jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Are all .js files serverside "executed on server", i want clientside
> >> "browser executed" javascript but i want to split the code/script
> >> over several files, is that possible?
> > 
> > All (or nearly all) javascript is shipped to the client and executed
> > there. You can have various chunks of code in various *.js files on
> > the server, so long as the HTML page references all of them.
> 
> There are no “HTML pages” (this is an outdated concept that has always been 
> underdefined at best), and *client-side* script resources can now be loaded 
> *on demand* in a reliable, non-blocking, and standards-compliant way. [1]  
> (If ECMAScript implementations in Web browsers would also implement the 
> “export” and “import” features of ECMAScript 2015, we could be writing 
> script modules and have them loaded implicitly now instead of through 
> RequireJS [2] and similar libraries. [3])
> 
> Since the References header field is borken, presumably because Google 
> Groups borked the Message-ID, I cannot see if and how this pertains to 
> Node.js, which is a *server-side* environment based on Google V8 JavaScript 
> in that regard; Node.js modules are *never* “shipped to the client”. [4]  
> 
> The OP should read the FAQ and learn “How To Ask Questions The Smart Way”.  
> 
> The author of the precursor should read the FAQ, STFW, and update their 
> knowledge base before giving further advice.
> 
> __________
> [1] <https://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-html5-20141028/scripting-1.html#the-script-element>
> [2] <http://requirejs.org/>
> [3] <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/export>
> [4] <https://nodejs.org/en/>
> -- 
> PointedEars
> FAQ: <http://PointedEars.de/faq> | SVN: <http://PointedEars.de/wsvn/>
> Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

Thanks for the clarification so node.js is servers side. Used to shuffle form data between clients, save it and manipulate it?

Other examples?

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#30463

On 17/05/16 03:35, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
> Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 22:20:36 UTC+2 skrev Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
>> Tim Slattery wrote:
>>
>>> jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Are all .js files serverside "executed on server", i want clientside
>>>> "browser executed" javascript but i want to split the code/script
>>>> over several files, is that possible?
>>>
>>> All (or nearly all) javascript is shipped to the client and executed
>>> there. You can have various chunks of code in various *.js files on
>>> the server, so long as the HTML page references all of them.
>>
>> There are no “HTML pages” (this is an outdated concept that has always been 
>> underdefined at best), and *client-side* script resources can now be loaded 
>> *on demand* in a reliable, non-blocking, and standards-compliant way. [1]  
>> (If ECMAScript implementations in Web browsers would also implement the 
>> “export” and “import” features of ECMAScript 2015, we could be writing 
>> script modules and have them loaded implicitly now instead of through 
>> RequireJS [2] and similar libraries. [3])
>>
>> Since the References header field is borken, presumably because Google 
>> Groups borked the Message-ID, I cannot see if and how this pertains to 
>> Node.js, which is a *server-side* environment based on Google V8 JavaScript 
>> in that regard; Node.js modules are *never* “shipped to the client”. [4]  
>>
>> The OP should read the FAQ and learn “How To Ask Questions The Smart Way”.  
>>
>> The author of the precursor should read the FAQ, STFW, and update their 
>> knowledge base before giving further advice.
>>
>> __________
>> [1] <https://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-html5-20141028/scripting-1.html#the-script-element>
>> [2] <http://requirejs.org/>
>> [3] <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/export>
>> [4] <https://nodejs.org/en/>
>> -- 
>> PointedEars
>> FAQ: <http://PointedEars.de/faq> | SVN: <http://PointedEars.de/wsvn/>
>> Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
>> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
> 
> Thanks for the clarification so node.js is servers side. Used to shuffle form data between clients, save it and manipulate it?
> 
> Other examples?

Have you tried any of the countless tutorials in the web?

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#30445

On 16-05-16 18:00, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
> Den måndag 16 maj 2016 kl. 17:49:40 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
>> I just installed node js, and run the hello snippet.
>>
>> Could someone point me to simplest possible example where a HTML file "is used to call?" a js file. Will i need a webserver, is node.js a webserver?
>
> My goal is to make HTML5 apps from some old HTML pages with invoked java scripts, is node js the tool to do that?
>
> The code lumps start to get big unmanagable and i thought breaking up the scripts into functionX.js called from a main would help. Is it possible?
>

https://www.toptal.com/nodejs/why-the-hell-would-i-use-node-js

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