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Re: What's a good Javascript book?

Date 2012-10-13 21:52 +0100
From Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Subject Re: What's a good Javascript book?
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> 
>> John G Harris wrote:
>>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>>   <snip>
>>>> According to the grammar in
>>>> http://www.ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/, Statement can be
>>>> expanded to Block, so some blocks are statements. On the other hand,
>>>> there are contexts which require Block rather than Statement, for
>>>> example in a TryStatement. A block that appears where a statement is not
>>>> permitted cannot be a statement.
>>>   <snip>
>>>
>>> I don't agree with your reasoning there. The standard says 'try' must be
>>> followed by a block statement. If it said that 'try' must be followed by
>> Could you give me a reference for where you are getting the phrase
>> "block statement"?
>>
>> I've searched both http://www.ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/ and a
>> recently downloaded copy of
>> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-262.pdf,
>> and without finding the phrase. Maybe there is some other document I
>> should be consulting. If so, please give me a pointer.
> 
> Section "12.1 Block" of the ECMAScript Language Specification, 5.1 Edition 
> (and all previous Editions; section numbering may differ) is a subsection of 
> section "12 Statements".  That, the productions for the /Statement/ goal 
> symbol defined in the latter section –
> 
> | Statement :
> |   Block
> |   VariableStatement
> |   EmptyStatement
> |   ExpressionStatement
> |   IfStatement
> |   IterationStatement
> |   ContinueStatement
> |   BreakStatement
> |   ReturnStatement
> |   WithStatement
> |   LabelledStatement
> |   SwitchStatement
> |   ThrowStatement
> |   TryStatement
> |   DebuggerStatement

I find it interesting that the symbol is "Block", not "BlockStatement".
Things that can only be used as a Statement, such as IfStatement, get
the word "Statement" in their symbols.

> specify that what can be produced from the Block goal symbol is considered a 
> statement, or, IOW, that there is a Block statement.  This may be 
> colloquially written "block statement".

You seem to be confused about my position. I am not saying that no Block
can be a Statement, just that a Block can be used in situations in which
a Statement would not be accepted, and so is not always a Statement.

I have no trouble with colloquially calling those blocks that are
statements "block statements", but do not think colloquial usage is a
good way of analyzing language specifications.

Patricia

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                Re: What's a good Javascript book? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-13 19:45 +0100
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                Re: What's a good Javascript book? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-13 21:52 +0100
                Re: What's a good Javascript book? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-13 23:49 +0200
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