Re: Objects what are they.

From	"R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.javascript
Subject	Re: Objects what are they.
Date	2019-04-30 22:25 +0200
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John G,

>>My apologies, but I read that as a "well, no". :-(
>
> You said
>  "unless you have a different explanation for me/us."
> so I said
>  "Yes" (I have).

To which I responded that that explanation of yours read like a "No, I have
none".

Putting (a lot of) words in a reply doesn't automatically mean you're
explaining something.    If it would you would see a /lot/ more "lorum
ipsum" post here.

> It's invisible to your program.

True.  But its there and is used /all the time/.    Even if most users of
the language are not aware of it.    Trying to reason that they do not exist
because you cannot readily see them is disingenious.    With the same logic
I could reason that viri and bacteria do not exist.  :-)

> Anything resembling a Reference that is created in that code
> goes out of scope when the assignment action has finished. So,
> References are not stored.

Bullshit.   It doesn't even make sense.    You have an assignement action
(of a string, array or object) to a variable and as soon as the asignment
finishes you cannot use that string, array or object anymore because the
reference, link or whatever you want to call it suddenly disappears ?

>>The question is, are references/pointers used or not ?     And if they
>>are not produced by such a "newSynth()" whatamacallits, what /does/
>> it produce ?
>
> "newSynth()" produces a notional record containing an object in
> its [[Value]] field. The Reference tells the low-level code where
> to copy that value to.

I'm sorry, but I didn't ask you to come up with a new set of bullshit-bingo
words.  I asked you what it returned.

And again bullshit.  There is /no way/ you can store a full object (or
string or array) into that "[[Value]]" (four byte ?) field.   So what /does/
get stored in that ?

And an interesting notation, that "[[Value]]".  In a few other languages I
could imagine someone tried to signify a double indirection there.

> I've been saying it for several years : The value of a variable
> or property can be an object.

And I'm saying it can't.    See above for an explanation.

> That permission for host objects was removed in the next edition.

Missing: A definition of what a "host object" is.

You sure as hell can "store objects" in there, as you have shown with your
own code.   But somehow you've dragged something totally different - though
with the same name, just to keep it simple - into our conversation, muddying
the whole thing.  Why ?   And why haven't you made a distinction between
that "host object" and the other "object"s from the start ?    I'm sure as
hell ain't no mindreader you know.


But I think I'm going to terminate our conversation here.    You have too
much fun throwing a bunch of big words around that have zero meaning to me,
while evading answering straight-forward, simple questions. And I don't
think that a further exchange of messages will change anything in that
regard.

Bummer.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-25 02:16 -0700
  Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-25 02:40 -0700
  Re: Objects what are they. groovee@cyberdude.com - 2019-04-25 09:12 -0700
    Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-25 18:37 +0100
      Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-25 23:41 -0700
        Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-25 23:56 -0700
          Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-26 00:00 -0700
        Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-26 10:45 +0100
          Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-26 04:37 -0700
            Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-26 19:41 +0100
              Re: Objects what are they. "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-04-26 21:11 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-26 13:23 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-04-26 23:32 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-26 15:11 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-26 15:24 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-04-27 11:52 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-27 11:17 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-27 05:00 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-27 05:06 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-27 11:08 +0100
          Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-28 05:03 -0700
            Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-28 18:11 +0200
              Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-29 03:43 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-29 14:11 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@sympatico.ca> - 2019-04-29 11:15 -0400
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-29 08:41 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@sympatico.ca> - 2019-04-29 15:16 -0400
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-29 15:56 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-29 16:08 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-29 16:30 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-29 09:44 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-29 08:31 -0700
        Re: Objects what are they. "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-04-26 13:48 +0200
      Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-26 00:25 -0700
        Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-26 00:30 -0700
        Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-26 01:06 -0700
      Re: Objects what are they. groovee@cyberdude.com - 2019-04-26 07:41 -0700
        Re: Objects what are they. Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2019-04-26 15:39 +0000
          Re: Objects what are they. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-04-26 23:23 +0200
            Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-27 11:25 +0100
              Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-27 04:10 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-27 04:17 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-27 14:39 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-27 10:16 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-28 10:53 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-29 07:08 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-30 11:03 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-27 14:43 +0100
        Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-26 19:36 +0100
          Re: Objects what are they. groovee@cyberdude.com - 2019-04-28 08:53 -0700
            Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-29 10:35 +0100
        Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-27 17:45 +0200
          Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-27 10:19 -0700
            Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-27 20:57 +0200
              Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-29 06:53 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-29 15:08 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-29 19:21 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-29 20:06 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-29 23:09 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-30 10:39 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-30 14:06 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-30 05:26 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-30 19:14 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-30 12:07 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-05-01 14:29 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-05-01 07:52 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-05-01 18:34 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-30 18:27 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-04-30 18:22 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-30 22:25 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-05-01 15:15 +0100
                Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-29 18:31 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-29 09:42 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-29 19:42 +0200
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-29 17:35 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-30 00:18 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-30 06:00 -0700
                Re: Objects what are they. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-04-30 06:16 -0700
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                Re: Objects what are they. jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2019-04-30 06:21 -0700
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            Re: Objects what are they. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-04-28 19:02 +0200
    Re: Objects what are they. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-04-26 23:07 +0200

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