Re: Super basic newbie question

From	Dr J R Stockton <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.javascript
Subject	Re: Super basic newbie question
Date	2012-03-18 19:27 +0000
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In comp.lang.javascript message <21afd3d6-2b3c-4aac-8804-d72af3d50627@w5
g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:27:05, David Mark
<dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> posted:

>On Mar 16, 3:47 pm, Dr J R Stockton
><reply1...@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> wrote:
>> In comp.lang.javascript message <5868340f-2935-4726-adfd-e24d1bc3803b@t1
>> 6g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>, Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:18:30, David Mark
>> <dmark.cins...@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>> >On Mar 14, 5:01 pm, Dr J R Stockton
>> ><reply1...@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> wrote:
>> >> In comp.lang.javascript message <timstreater-AC76DF.19462813032012@news.
>> >> individual.net>, Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:46:28, Tim Streater
>> >> <timstrea...@greenbee.net> posted:
>>
>> >> >And XHTML is dead itself so a simple doctype will do.
>>
>> >> Is there a potent reference to justify that commonly-asserted statement?
>> >> I may be about to enter into discussion with a Untiversity Alumni site
>> >> about their Web site source code, which I think is intended to be XHTML
>> >> - but they use a "STYLE" attribute.
>>
>> >It's really simple. IE 8- don't know what XHTML is, XHTML has no
>> >progressive rendering and displays a lone error message if the markup
>> >is invalid. So clearly it is unusable on the Web.
>>
>> >All of those XHTML doctypes, extra slashes, etc. found on the Web
>> >(twelve years later) are just noise, propagated by copy and paste. Of
>> >course, lately the XHTML doctypes are being replaced with the
>> >shortened HTML5 version, but the slashes, xmlns attributes, etc.
>> >remain. Changing the doctype has no effect, but it's quicker than
>> >rewriting all of the bogus markup and allows developers to claim that
>> >they have "HTML5 sites" in production. :(
>>
>> A newly-written assertion may be true, but it is not a reference.
>
>It's a very old assertion and has been asserted here many times
>before. What sort of reference do you want? Wikipedia?

It was newly-written, though.

Wikipedia would be better than you; because it can be edited, its pages
on our sort of topic generally reflect either the views of a reliable
expert or a consensus.  It suggests that XHTML is not truly dead for Web
pages, but is being nutritiously eaten by HTML 5.


>Nobody has the official authority to pronounce a language dead, so you
>will have to make due with arguments like the above. You could also
>browser around the Web and look for documents that are served up as
>XHTML (with appropriate headers). There's My Library's XHTML test page
>and... haven't seen another one in about ten years. It's like trying
>to spot a dodo.
>
>>
>> Their pages work in IE8, although the W3 validator complains.
>
>Because browsers error correct invalid markup (i.e. ignoring the extra
>slashes). It's clearly a waste (and somewhat perilous) to rely on the
>browsers to ignore mistakes.

Obviously.  But I don't yet know whether that have been aware of W3, or
have relied on Microsoft software to check their work.


>> Aside : <http:||www.merlyn.demon.co.uk|showtree.htm> (make the obvious
>>         three corrections) is not formally part of my site, but it may
>>         interest the less expert.  It may go into |js-props.htm if I can
>>         find a place  for its button.
>
>What about it?

That was up to you.  But it is now too late for you to find it there.

-- 
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