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Re: Super basic newbie question

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From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Organization PointedEars Software (PES)
Date 2012-03-17 23:39 +0100
Subject Re: Super basic newbie question
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David Mark wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> David Mark wrote:
>> > SAM wrote:
>> >> Swifty a écrit :
>> >> > <stephanemoriaux.NoAd...@wanadoo.fr.invalid>  wrote:
>> >> >> doesn't it depend of the doctype ?
>> >> > No, the quotes around attribute values have always been optional
>> >> I didn't hear that about XHTML ...
>> > Because it isn't true for (real) XHTML.  But that language has been
>> > dead on the Web since the turn of the century.  The XHTML on the Web
>> > today is just error-filled HTML.
>> Obviously you are lacking experience in this field.
> 
> Hardly. I fully embraced XHTML back around the turn of the century. It
> just didn't pan out.

You are wrong.  By December 2011, "more than 40% of (scanned) web documents 
are either Valid HTML or XHTML" [1], which means that there are web 
documents that are Valid XHTML.

>> XHTML has found its place as a useful markup language *at least* in
>> Content Management Systems.
> 
> When I say on the Web, I mean on the front end, where XHTML is all but
> extinct.

Have you noticed the emphasis on "at least"?  And since when have Content 
Management Systems nothing to do with the frontend?  There is also embedded 
SVG, MathML, …

By December 2011, about 62% of all web documents are declared XHTML 1.0.[2]  
If 40% of web documents are Valid, that means (with even distribution) that 
24% of all web documents are Valid XHTML 1.0.  24% is more than 0% 
(extinct).

There is even an "XHTML syntax of HTML5" waiting to be standardized.[3]

A person without at least a basic knowledge of XHTML would not be employed 
for long where I work.  Yet you are essentially saying that XHTML would be 
unimportant on the Web by now.  The statistical facts, my statement, and 
your statement are inconsistent; they cannot be all correct.  As I can 
reasonably assume that the statistical data is correct, and I know without 
doubt that my statement about where I work is correct, your completely 
unfounded statement about XHTML must be wrong.

You have a tendency to oversimplify, as much as the people whom you (often 
rightfully) criticize.  If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest you try 
to restrain that tendency and stick to the available facts.


PointedEars
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[1] <http://try.powermapper.com/demo/statsvalid.aspx>
[2] http://blog.powermapper.com/blog/post/HTML-vs-XHTML-Version-
Statistics.aspx
[3] <http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/the-xhtml-syntax.html>
-- 
var bugRiddenCrashPronePieceOfJunk = (
    navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5') != -1
    && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mac') != -1
)  // Plone, register_function.js:16

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  Re: Super basic newbie question Martin Honnen <mahotrash@yahoo.de> - 2012-03-08 16:04 +0100
    Re: Super basic newbie question "Larry.Martell@gmail.com" <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2012-03-08 09:15 -0800
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  Re: Super basic newbie question "Tom de Neef" <tdeneef@qolor.nl> - 2012-03-08 16:08 +0100
    Re: Super basic newbie question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-03-09 04:05 +0100
      Re: Super basic newbie question "Tom de Neef" <tdeneef@qolor.nl> - 2012-03-09 10:47 +0100
  Re: Super basic newbie question SAM <stephanemoriaux.NoAdmin@wanadoo.fr.invalid> - 2012-03-08 16:10 +0100
    Re: Super basic newbie question "Larry.Martell@gmail.com" <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2012-03-08 09:15 -0800
      Re: Super basic newbie question Dr J R Stockton <reply1210@merlyn.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 21:39 +0000
        Re: Super basic newbie question SAM <stephanemoriaux.NoAdmin@wanadoo.fr.invalid> - 2012-03-10 09:55 +0100
          Re: Super basic newbie question Swifty <steve.j.swift@gmail.com> - 2012-03-10 18:19 +0000
            Re: Super basic newbie question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-10 21:59 +0000
              Re: Super basic newbie question Swifty <steve.j.swift@gmail.com> - 2012-03-12 09:58 +0000
                Re: Super basic newbie question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-12 10:02 +0000
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                Re: Super basic newbie question John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:37 +0000
                Re: Super basic newbie question Swifty <steve.j.swift@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 10:34 +0000
                Re: Super basic newbie question "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-03-13 10:12 -0600
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              Re: Super basic newbie question David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-12 16:41 -0700
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                Re: Super basic newbie question John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 20:16 +0000
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                Re: Super basic newbie question John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 16:55 +0000
                Re: Super basic newbie question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-16 18:09 +0000
                Re: Super basic newbie question Dr J R Stockton <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> - 2012-03-16 19:47 +0000
                Re: Super basic newbie question David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 18:27 -0700
                Re: Super basic newbie question Dr J R Stockton <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> - 2012-03-18 19:27 +0000
                Re: Super basic newbie question David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-18 16:55 -0700
                Re: Super basic newbie question Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2012-03-17 11:35 +0100
                Re: Super basic newbie question David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-17 09:42 -0700
                Re: Super basic newbie question Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2012-03-18 01:33 +0100
                Re: Super basic newbie question David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-17 17:46 -0700
                Re: Super basic newbie question David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-17 19:45 -0700
                Re: Super basic newbie question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-15 10:00 +0000
                Re: Super basic newbie question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-03-17 14:53 +0100
                Re: Super basic newbie question David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-17 12:43 -0700
                Re: Super basic newbie question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-03-17 23:39 +0100
                Re: Super basic newbie question David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-17 15:54 -0700
                Re: Super basic newbie question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-03-18 10:48 +0100
                Re: Super basic newbie question David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-18 04:06 -0700
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          Re: Super basic newbie question Dr J R Stockton <reply1210@merlyn.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 19:02 +0000
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  Re: Super basic newbie question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-08 08:44 -0800
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