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[OT] Fallacies (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale)

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Andrew Poulos wrote:

> On 28/01/2018 3:25 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Andrew Poulos wrote:
>>> Ad hominem is not an argument
>> Wrong.  It is a *fallacious* argument, constituting a *fallacy*.
> 
> A fallacy is something which renders an argument invalid. Whereas a
> fallacious argument would be an argument based on a mistaken belief but
> might not necessarily mean the argument to be invalid ("Cats will push
> everything off flat surfaces. There are still things on Earth therefore
> the Earth is not flat.")

No, the words “fallacy” and “fallacious” have several meanings; you are 
referring to one in the second part, while the another one (that you are 
referring to in the first part) applies in this context: “fallacious” is 
simply the adjective to “fallacy” there.  (This curious approach of yours
to definitions could be seen as a kind of equivocation, another fallacy.)

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fallacy>
<https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fallacy>
<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fallacy>

<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fallacious>

See also, *in addition to the Wikipedia article I already referred you to*:

<https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/>
<https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem>
 
> Anyhow it's been asserted that "Ad hominem" is an adjective: now it's a
> noun.

As you can also read in Wikipedia (referred in the first article that I 
referred you to, and you had quoted from earlier), /ad hominem/ is short
for /*argumentum* ad hominem/ which means “argument towards/against the 
(hu)man/person”.  This refutes¹ your argument (see below) regarding its 
meaning and renders this follow-up discussion moot.
 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/argumentum#Latin>
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad#Preposition_4>
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hominem#Latin>

> Anyhow I half-expected someone to quote the relevant Monty Python skit.
> No one has yet so here's the link:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvcnx6-0GhA>

:-D

However, it should be noted that the meaning of “argument” as used in that 
skit is different than in “/ad hominem/ argument”.  The word has adopted a 
second meaning in English to refer to a whole, rather heated exchange of 
words since it had been imported from Latin:

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/argument>
<https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/argument>
<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/argument>

Regarding /*ad* hominem/, this one is also very nice:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbI-fDzUJXI>

HTH.


F’up2 poster

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¹  Interestingly, “refute” and “rebut” are synonyms, with the former
   being from Latin /refūtō/ (literally: “I beat back”) directly, while
   the latter apparently took a detour via Old French /rebouter/ (same
   meaning, and probably from the same Proto-Indoeuropean root).

   <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/refute> pp.
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