Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!news.mb-net.net!open-news-network.org!.POSTED.196.236.197.178.dynamic.wless.lssmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch!not-for-mail From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Newsgroups: comp.lang.javascript Subject: [OT] Fallacies (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale) Followup-To: poster Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 07:18:20 +0100 Organization: PointedEars Software (PES) Lines: 78 Message-ID: <5466925.TxAPTqcq3Y@PointedEars.de> References: <17050329.jDpi8q7seK@PointedEars.de> <1527486.8NOprLTe3T@PointedEars.de> <4855415.HNLM0fyIXE@PointedEars.de> <3203593.fOYLRQvH7O@PointedEars.de> Reply-To: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Injection-Info: gwaiyur.mb-net.net; posting-host="196.236.197.178.dynamic.wless.lssmb00p-cgnat.res.cust.swisscom.ch:178.197.236.196"; logging-data="4116"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@open-news-network.org" User-Agent: KNode/4.14.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Yn34T4XOvfP4JSoTCH1UYmo54Is= X-User-ID: U2FsdGVkX1+mDdTYjWYjDzrb3xi/bhkZFisZ/2aRToQwqSQM2EqWPQ== X-Face: %i>XG-yXR'\"2P/C_aO%~;2o~?g0pPKmbOw^=NT`tprDEf++D.m7"}HW6.#=U:?2GGctkL,f89@H46O$ASoW&?s}.k+&. On 28/01/2018 3:25 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Andrew Poulos wrote: >>> Ad hominem is not an argument >> Wrong. It is a *fallacious* argument, constituting a *fallacy*. > > A fallacy is something which renders an argument invalid. Whereas a > fallacious argument would be an argument based on a mistaken belief but > might not necessarily mean the argument to be invalid ("Cats will push > everything off flat surfaces. There are still things on Earth therefore > the Earth is not flat.") No, the words “fallacy” and “fallacious” have several meanings; you are referring to one in the second part, while the another one (that you are referring to in the first part) applies in this context: “fallacious” is simply the adjective to “fallacy” there. (This curious approach of yours to definitions could be seen as a kind of equivocation, another fallacy.) See also, *in addition to the Wikipedia article I already referred you to*: > Anyhow it's been asserted that "Ad hominem" is an adjective: now it's a > noun. As you can also read in Wikipedia (referred in the first article that I referred you to, and you had quoted from earlier), /ad hominem/ is short for /*argumentum* ad hominem/ which means “argument towards/against the (hu)man/person”. This refutes¹ your argument (see below) regarding its meaning and renders this follow-up discussion moot. > Anyhow I half-expected someone to quote the relevant Monty Python skit. > No one has yet so here's the link: > :-D However, it should be noted that the meaning of “argument” as used in that skit is different than in “/ad hominem/ argument”. The word has adopted a second meaning in English to refer to a whole, rather heated exchange of words since it had been imported from Latin: Regarding /*ad* hominem/, this one is also very nice: HTH. F’up2 poster _______ ¹ Interestingly, “refute” and “rebut” are synonyms, with the former being from Latin /refūtō/ (literally: “I beat back”) directly, while the latter apparently took a detour via Old French /rebouter/ (same meaning, and probably from the same Proto-Indoeuropean root). pp. -- PointedEars FAQ: | | Twitter: @PointedEars2 | Please do not cc me./Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.