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Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()}

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Richard Cornford wrote:

> On Feb 21, 3:05 am, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:03:52 -0000, Richard Cornford wrote:
>>> Puzzled wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> This is what I'm trying to do:
>>>> onclick = "this.some_method_identifier( arg, arg )"
>>>That is meaningless in javascript terms precisely because the
>>> value of the - this - keyword is not decided at this point.
>>
>>      Huh?  Is it not going to be the control that the onclick is for?

It is.

> Not necessarily, it depends on how the function is call. In response
> to user interaction the browsers will reliably call the function as a
> method of the DOM element with which it is associated (thus arranging
> that the value of the - this - keyword is that DOM element), but it is
> possible (indeed trivial) to call that function in a way that will
> give the - this - keyword any value you choose. In Javascript the
> value of the - this - keyword is decided (always and only) by how a
> function is called.

I do not see your point, and it appears you are preaching to the choir.  If 
that is an event-handler attribute value, then the OP is correct.  The way 
the function named `some_method_identifier' is called is *there*, in the 
attribute value.  There is no ambiguity (host object issues aside) about the 
*initial* `this' value in the context of that method (if it is callable).

>> [snip]
>>
>>> Computer programming is about understand enough to take control, which
>>> is the antithesis of  'magic'.
>>
>>      Plenty of magic deals with taking control.
>>           "One ring to rule them all..."
> 
> Citing fiction in order to make a point about magic actually makes my
> point. Fiction is as relevant to reality (which is where computer
> programming goes on) as poetry or religion.

That depends on whether that fiction is pure fantasy or based on scientific 
thought.  Consider Star Trek (not the reboot), for example.  (It is not by 
pure coincidence that I have a smartphone powered by an operating system 
named *Android*.)


PointedEars
-- 
Sometimes, what you learn is wrong. If those wrong ideas are close to the 
root of the knowledge tree you build on a particular subject, pruning the 
bad branches can sometimes cause the whole tree to collapse.
  -- Mike Duffy in cljs, <news:Xns9FB6521286DB8invalidcom@94.75.214.39>

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onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Puzzled <scratching.head@example.com> - 2012-02-20 14:02 -0500
  Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} "Tom de Neef" <tdeneef@qolor.nl> - 2012-02-20 20:20 +0100
    Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Jake Jarvis <pig_in_shoes@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-20 20:39 +0100
      Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-21 00:34 +0000
        Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-02-21 02:13 +0100
          Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Richard Cornford <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-21 04:05 -0800
        Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-02-21 12:47 +0100
          Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-21 15:59 +0000
  Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-02-20 21:09 +0100
    Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> - 2012-02-20 20:29 +0000
      Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Puzzled <scratching.head@example.com> - 2012-02-20 16:50 -0500
        Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> - 2012-02-21 11:33 +0000
    Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Puzzled <scratching.head@example.com> - 2012-02-20 15:47 -0500
      Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Jake Jarvis <pig_in_shoes@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-20 22:38 +0100
        Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Puzzled <scratching.head@example.com> - 2012-02-20 17:12 -0500
      Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-20 14:04 -0800
        "The this value" (Was: onclick=function(){obj.meth()}) Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-02-21 01:37 +0100
          Re: "The this value" (Was: onclick=function(){obj.meth()}) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-20 17:20 -0800
          Re: "The this value" (Was: onclick=function(){obj.meth()}) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-02-21 13:44 +0100
            Re: "The this value" (Was: onclick=function(){obj.meth()}) Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-02-21 22:31 +0100
              Re: "The this value" (Was: onclick=function(){obj.meth()}) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-02-22 10:55 +0100
                Re: "The this value" (Was: onclick=function(){obj.meth()}) John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-22 15:58 +0000
        Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-21 01:30 +0000
      Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-02-20 13:43 -0800
      Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-02-20 23:17 +0100
        Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Puzzled <scratching.head@example.com> - 2012-02-20 17:48 -0500
          Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-02-21 00:57 +0100
          Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-21 01:03 +0000
            Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-20 19:05 -0800
              Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Richard Cornford <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-21 04:14 -0800
                Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-02-21 13:54 +0100
                Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-21 10:17 -0800
                Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-02-21 11:57 -0800
                Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-21 13:39 -0800
                Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-02-22 05:07 -0800
            Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-02-21 12:58 +0100
        Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-21 00:45 +0000
          Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-02-21 02:22 +0100
        Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Puzzled <scratching.head@example.com> - 2012-02-21 08:12 -0500
          Re: onclick=function(){obj.meth()} Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-02-21 11:14 -0800

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