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Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition

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Scott Sauyet wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Sauyet wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Scott Sauyet wrote:
>>>>> Thomas is well-known here for extremely pedantic answers.  That he
>>>>> also has a lot of useful knowledge only partly compensates for his
>>>>> anti-social behavior.
>>>> 
>>>> That is a luser attitude.  There is nothing pedantic or anti-social
>>>> about telling people the truth. [ ... ]
>>> 
>>> Actually, it often is both pedantic and anti-social.  Are you the sort
>>> who tells parents your unvarnished opinion of their offspring?
>>> 
>>> One reasonable definition of "pedantic" (from [1]) is "marked by a
>>> narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial
>>> aspects."  Almost by definition, being pedantic involves telling the
>>> truth, or at least what one sees as the truth.  The trouble is that
>>> the truth being described is overly concerned with minutiae, sometimes
>>> to the detriment of the conversation.
>>
>> Unfortunately, apparently it is not trivial that here is no “Javascript”.
>> If it was trivial, probably more people would be able to see the fact,
>> and consider the different and differing ECMAScript implementations that
>> they are actually using.
> 
> Or perhaps fewer people than you would like find this relevant.

Yes, there are too many who are ignorant of facts.  One can only hope that 
arguing repeatedly against self-chosen ignorance can reduce that number, 
lest we end up in “Idiocracy”.

> Certainly there are times when the ES engine or the specific
> implementation of a particular API layered atop such an engine makes a
> difference.  In those cases, it's quite easy to specify the
> environment in question.  For many of us, though, those cases are not
> particularly common.

Argument at ignorance.  Must be bliss not knowing that you actually do not 
know.

> Your "apparently it is not trivial" is a statement of your opinion,
> one which you promote here often.  It is not a statement of
> indisputable fact, and there are many here who disagree.

No, it is not just a statement of my opinion.
 
>>>> If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
>>> 
>>> I'm not even slightly singed.  But even after many years of listening
>>> to you recite your mantra, I'm not convinced that using "Javascript"
>>> or "javascript" in discussions here has any harmful effects.
>>
>> Pardon?  Is not this thread, in which the OP reports that they could not
>> find the relevant material, despite it being referred (under the proper
>> names) in the FAQ, living proof that it has harmful effects?
> 
> Not at all.  Had the OP searched for books on ECMAScript
> implementations, he would have had no more useful results, IMHO.

But had they searched for “JavaScript”, ”JScript”, and so on in the FAQ, 
*knowing* (by *letting* *them* *know* explicitly) that there is not a single 
”Javascript” or “javascript”, but that there are several *different* 
ECMAScript implementations with *specific* *implementors* and *names*, they 
would have had more useful results.  *That* is the crux of the matter that 
you *choose* to ignore.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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Javascript: TDG 6th edition Andrew <andrew@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-06 07:53 -0400
  Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 06:46 -0700
    Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-06 18:10 +0200
      Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Andrew <andrew@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-07 07:42 -0400
        Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 05:54 -0700
          Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-07 19:48 +0200
            Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 12:53 -0700
              Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-07 22:48 +0200
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 14:02 -0700
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-08 10:11 +0200
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-05-09 08:33 -0700
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-05-09 16:54 +0100
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-05-09 13:02 -0700
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-05-09 22:38 +0100
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-05-10 20:03 +0100
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition MC <news@aisus.com> - 2013-05-17 11:04 -0500
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-18 13:09 +1000
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-18 10:40 +0200
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-05-18 10:16 +0100
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-05-18 20:14 +1000
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition MC <news@aisus.com> - 2013-05-18 10:11 -0500
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-05-20 19:58 +0100
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-05-07 22:03 +0100
            Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 13:02 -0700
              Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-07 22:50 +0200
                Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 14:03 -0700
            Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-05-07 21:39 +0100
            Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 00:10 -0700
              Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-08 09:51 +0200
            Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2013-05-09 23:36 +0200
          Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition MC <news@aisus.com> - 2013-05-17 08:59 -0500
      Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2013-05-21 00:50 -0300
        Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-21 12:50 +0200
    Re: Javascript: TDG 6th edition Andrew <andrew@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-07 07:25 -0400

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