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Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library

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John C wrote:
>  Scott Sauyet wrote:
>> The funny thing is that I'd forgotten we'd taken these out of the 
>> library in response to a disagreement over how to handle the case 
>> where the user supplied an empty list. At some point we'll probably 
>> put them back, but they're not there now. When they do come back, 
>> maybe we'll use `selfFoldl`. 

(I'm sorry about the poor formatting earlier.  The updated Google Groups
was one of the reasons I've been gone for a while.  I'm sorry to see
that it's as bad as ever!)
 
> Out of curiosity -- what was the disagreement? Returning undefined
> seems like the natural choice since the result is, well, undefined 
> in this case. Is the concern with the way undefined is sometimes
> quirky in javascript?

Then you will agree with my coauthor, who argued for the same thing.
We had a long discussion about this, captured here:

    <https://github.com/CrossEye/ramda/issues/20>
    
The original implementation, following Haskell, raised an exception in 
this case. My coauthor didn't like this, thinking that we should return 
`undefined`. I, in turn, didn't like returning anything that might make 
the user have to type-check her results. Neither of us was really 
willing to budge, and as these were not very important to either of us, 
it was easier to simply remove the functions and see if something didn't 
settle out of it eventually. This was, I think, the only significant 
disagreement we've had over the time we've spent on this. 

Eventually, it came down to his preference list, which looked like this:

    1. remove foldl1/foldr1 from the library
    2. return undefined for empty list
    3. throw exception

and mine, which looked like this:
    
    1. throw exception
    2. remove foldl1/foldr1 from the library
    3. return undefined for empty list
    
At that point, it was pretty clear that the easiest thing was to remove 
these functions. They are easy enough to add back if someone wants. And 
maybe we will at some point. 

  -- Scott

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ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 20:13 -0700
  Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library John C <rescattered@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 21:00 -0700
    Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 04:37 -0700
  Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 04:36 -0700
  Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2014-05-28 08:49 -0700
    Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 15:59 -0700
      Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2014-05-28 16:15 -0700
        Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 17:05 -0700
          Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-30 14:53 +0200
            Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 11:14 -0700
  Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Dr J R Stockton <reply1400@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-05-29 19:40 +0100
    Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 17:55 -0700
      Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-30 14:05 +0200
        Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 11:10 -0700
  Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library John C <rescattered@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 06:25 -0700
    Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 11:23 -0700
      Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library John C <rescattered@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 12:44 -0700
        Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 13:39 -0700
          Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library John C <rescattered@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 19:17 -0700
            Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-05-31 09:52 -0700
              Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-31 22:24 +0200
                Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 06:55 -0700
      Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-31 21:00 +0200
        Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 06:54 -0700
  Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Dr J R Stockton <reply1400@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-06-01 19:05 +0100
    Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 19:28 -0700
      Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Dr J R Stockton <reply1400@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-06-03 22:01 +0100
        Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-06-03 19:15 -0700
          Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Dr J R Stockton <reply1400@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-06-05 23:41 +0100
            Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 11:36 -0700
          Re: ANN: Ramda, a new functional programming library Dr J R Stockton <reply1400@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-06-07 23:13 +0100
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