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| Started by | w.tom.adams@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2014-07-02 10:41 -0700 |
| Last post | 2014-07-14 13:39 +0100 |
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How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-02 10:41 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-02 14:01 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-02 21:14 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-02 23:00 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:01 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-03 08:54 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:20 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-03 10:27 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 21:30 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-11 18:22 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:19 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-11 17:34 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:21 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:23 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 09:59 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:28 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-08 12:37 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-09 19:33 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 20:01 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-10 20:24 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:30 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:12 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:24 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-03 06:37 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:07 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:13 -0700
News Reader (was: Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-04 08:02 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-03 21:07 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-04 02:55 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:26 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2014-07-11 19:43 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-11 20:58 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-11 22:29 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-11 23:01 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:00 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2014-07-11 23:13 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:07 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:11 +0100
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2014-07-14 18:36 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-14 19:32 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:09 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:03 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-08-19 22:18 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:43 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-08-20 06:50 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 19:01 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 13:47 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:08 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 00:36 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 21:03 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 01:24 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:12 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:23 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-20 10:31 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-08-21 06:17 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 22:46 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 23:23 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-15 10:49 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 13:13 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:21 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:27 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-20 10:32 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:17 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:04 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-13 07:30 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 03:15 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-13 10:49 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-13 10:55 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-14 06:48 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 08:16 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-08-15 06:29 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 15:54 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:20 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:22 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-07 10:28 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-07 17:29 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-07 11:54 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 10:01 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 12:21 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 11:02 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 13:13 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 12:27 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-08 14:28 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 12:36 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-08 08:58 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 13:21 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 13:11 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-09 11:48 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 14:10 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly castal00n <casta-.l00n_3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 12:22 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 15:57 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 18:09 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 16:32 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 19:20 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 17:32 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 21:31 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 22:45 +0000
[OT] posting histories? (was Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:24 +0000
Re: [OT] posting histories? (was Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 00:38 +0000
Re: [OT] posting histories? (was Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 22:44 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:41 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:50 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 19:44 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:50 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:34 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:33 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:40 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:45 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:51 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-10 17:14 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 22:20 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-10 18:47 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:51 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 19:46 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:54 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:32 +0100
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:37 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-08 09:00 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 21:40 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-08 15:03 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 00:28 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:31 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-11 12:33 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 11:01 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-07-11 12:15 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:27 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:29 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:39 +0100
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-10 14:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53bedbc9$0$298$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29000 |
On 7/8/2014 6:37 AM, Joerg Meier wrote: > On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 12:23:35 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 7/3/2014 9:01 AM, w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 11:00:56 PM UTC-4, Eric Sosman wrote: >>>> I permit JavaScript, use "click to run" for Flash, and >>>> don't even install Silverlight.[*] >>> One question I have is this: Why is Javascript not as vulnerable as Java Applets? >> In recent years Java applets has had more and more serious security >> vulnerabilities. > >> But various JavaScript implementations has also had numerous security >> vulnerabilities. > >> The entire "run code in browser" idea is hard to keep 100% secure. > > To be fair, that's kind of a weird expectation in the first place. People > find it entirely reasonable to just download opaque .exe files and run them > from any website that looks even remotely respectable, but if that website > were to ask them if it was ok to maybe for a minute run some sandboxes Java > code, they'd freak out. > > In fact, I used to host a game through Java Webstart, and the #1 support > question was something amongst the lines of "I heard Java was insecure, > can't you give me an exe file to download". People are idiots. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." :-) Arne
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-06 12:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53b9755e$0$297$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #28928 |
On 7/2/2014 11:00 PM, Eric Sosman wrote: > On 7/2/2014 9:14 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 7/2/2014 2:01 PM, Eric Sosman wrote: >>> On 7/2/2014 1:41 PM, w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote: >>>> I developed a web site www.poologic.com that depends on a couple of >>>> Java applets (Poologic Calculator and ROI Calculator). >>>> >>>> The web site has become increasingly user unfriendly and hard to use >>>> due the Oracle's efforts to address security and the fact that applets >>>> are going out of style. (I developed the applets in 1999, maybe they >>>> were going out of style already back then, but I did not notice it >>>> till more recently.) >>>> >>>> I am trying to figure out what to do. >>> >>> Personally (I can't speak for others), I do not allow my >>> browsers to run Java: It's too risky. Were I on an intRAnet >>> with applets served up internally I'd be willing to run those, >>> but on the wild and lawless intERnet? Not for me, thanks. >>> >>> So, for me (again, I can't speak for others), applets on >>> the Internet might as well not be there at all. Your applet, >>> however useful it might be, is of no use to me because I >>> can't/won't run it. To reach a wider audience, I think you >>> need to adopt a different technology. >> >> Do you also disable Flash, SilverLight, JavaScript and >> various other code running in sandbox in browser technology? > > I permit JavaScript, use "click to run" for Flash, and > don't even install Silverlight.[*] > > Not sure what this has to do with applets, though. Just curious whether you treated them identical. The Flash situation you describe is how Java applets work today if you lower default security settings. :-) Arne
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| From | Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-07-05 16:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f72hr910gf3c225k3gc9dgf1h5nscbe0qq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #28927 |
On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:14:35 -0400, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Do you also disable Flash, SilverLight, JavaScript and >various other code running in sandbox in browser technology? And of course never install apps you did not write yourself. Because their have been holes in past in the sandbox, does not mean the sandbox has zero value. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com A program is only as good as its worst piece of code. ~ Joshua Cramer
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-03 06:37 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <lp21jo$n9o$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #28910 |
On 7/3/2014 1:41 AM, w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote: > I developed a web site www.poologic.com that depends on a couple of Java applets (Poologic Calculator and ROI Calculator). > > The web site has become increasingly user unfriendly and hard to use due the Oracle's efforts to address security and the fact that applets are going out of style. (I developed the applets in 1999, maybe they were going out of style already back then, but I did not notice it till more recently.) > > I am trying to figure out what to do. > > 1. Try to get them certified. But that costs and does not solve the problem of browsers and tablets that don't have support. I suppose I could live with support in limited browsers, but I am not sure how to figure out which browsers will continue to support Java. > > 2. Learn javascript and rewrite them in javascript. Time consuming. > > 3. Use some technology that compiles them in javascript or use a JVM written in java script. I just started looking into this, not sure how feasible and practical it is. Not sure which technology to pursue. > > 4. Leave the applets as-is and continue to make users jump through hoops to use the the unsigned applets. But Oracle or all browser may ban unsigned applets. > > No sure which way to go. Anyone solved the same problem or have any insight on this problem? > > Is there a browser that is likely to support applets long-term? > I share your pain :-( I haven't looked at this for a while (other fish to fry) but I suggest you persist with Applets despite Eric Costlow's outstandingly successful efforts to make them unusable. I'm assuming poologic is a for-everyone/individual-user site which means everyone has to jump through the same hoops but the white-list exception options were growing by the day trying to put out the fires lit by Costlow. Each user has their individual white-list for your domain and there are site policy files. Caller-allowable-code-base was knee-jerked away from a global wildcard in one of the many versions that came out in the last 12 months unfortunately. Which options have you tried so far? I have to admit that signing is all but mandatory now and the magnificent sandbox paradigm has been assassinated but I will endure. Cheers Richard
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| From | w.tom.adams@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2014-07-03 06:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4ce8b14e-1ea1-4dc2-8853-d8ae8f4c2e16@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #28921 |
On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 6:37:42 PM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote: > On 7/3/2014 1:41 AM, w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote: > > > I developed a web site www.poologic.com that depends on a couple > > > > of Java applets (Poologic Calculator and ROI Calculator). > > > > > > The web site has become increasingly user unfriendly and hard to > > > > use due the Oracle's efforts to address security and the fact that > > > > applets are going out of style. (I developed the applets in 1999, > > > > maybe they were going out of style already back then, but I did not > > > > notice it till more recently.) > > > > > > I am trying to figure out what to do. > > > > > > 1. Try to get them certified. But that costs and does not solve > > > > the problem of browsers and tablets that don't have support. I suppose > > > > I could live with support in limited browsers, but I am not sure how to > > > > figure out which browsers will continue to support Java. > > > > > > 2. Learn javascript and rewrite them in javascript. Time consuming. > > > > > > 3. Use some technology that compiles them in javascript or use a JVM > > > > written in java script. I just started looking into this, not sure how > > > > feasible and practical it is. Not sure which technology to pursue. > > > > > > 4. Leave the applets as-is and continue to make users jump through > > > > hoops to use the the unsigned applets. But Oracle or all browser may > > > > ban unsigned applets. > > > > > > No sure which way to go. Anyone solved the same problem or have > > > > any insight on this problem? > > > > > > Is there a browser that is likely to support applets long-term? > > > > > I share your pain :-( I haven't looked at this for a while (other fish > > to fry) but I suggest you persist with Applets despite Eric Costlow's > > outstandingly successful efforts to make them unusable. > > > > I'm assuming poologic is a for-everyone/individual-user site which means > > everyone has to jump through the same hoops but the white-list exception > > options were growing by the day trying to put out the fires lit by Costlow. > > > > Each user has their individual white-list for your domain and there are > > site policy files. Caller-allowable-code-base was knee-jerked away from > > a global wildcard in one of the many versions that came out in the last > > 12 months unfortunately. > > > > Which options have you tried so far? > On www.poologic.com, if you click to go to a applet, you get a introductory html page with no applet that tells you that you must upgrade to the latest version of Java and tells you how to whitelist www.poologic.com. My applets are not signed at all.
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| From | w.tom.adams@gmail.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-07-03 06:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <474222e0-a5c3-410e-a933-69f10d0ce4ba@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #28931 |
On Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:07:31 AM UTC-4, w.tom...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 6:37:42 PM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote: > > > On 7/3/2014 1:41 AM, w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > I developed a web site www.poologic.com that depends on a couple > > > > > > > > > > > > of Java applets (Poologic Calculator and ROI Calculator). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The web site has become increasingly user unfriendly and hard to > > > > > > > > > > > > use due the Oracle's efforts to address security and the fact that > > > > > > > > > > > > applets are going out of style. (I developed the applets in 1999, > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe they were going out of style already back then, but I did not > > > > > > > > > > > > notice it till more recently.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to figure out what to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Try to get them certified. But that costs and does not solve > > > > > > > > > > > > the problem of browsers and tablets that don't have support. I suppose > > > > > > > > > > > > I could live with support in limited browsers, but I am not sure how to > > > > > > > > > > > > figure out which browsers will continue to support Java. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Learn javascript and rewrite them in javascript. Time consuming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Use some technology that compiles them in javascript or use a JVM > > > > > > > > > > > > written in java script. I just started looking into this, not sure how > > > > > > > > > > > > feasible and practical it is. Not sure which technology to pursue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Leave the applets as-is and continue to make users jump through > > > > > > > > > > > > hoops to use the the unsigned applets. But Oracle or all browser may > > > > > > > > > > > > ban unsigned applets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No sure which way to go. Anyone solved the same problem or have > > > > > > > > > > > > any insight on this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a browser that is likely to support applets long-term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share your pain :-( I haven't looked at this for a while (other fish > > > > > > to fry) but I suggest you persist with Applets despite Eric Costlow's > > > > > > outstandingly successful efforts to make them unusable. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm assuming poologic is a for-everyone/individual-user site which means > > > > > > everyone has to jump through the same hoops but the white-list exception > > > > > > options were growing by the day trying to put out the fires lit by Costlow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Each user has their individual white-list for your domain and there are > > > > > > site policy files. Caller-allowable-code-base was knee-jerked away from > > > > > > a global wildcard in one of the many versions that came out in the last > > > > > > 12 months unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > Which options have you tried so far? > > > > > > > On www.poologic.com, if you click to go to a applet, you get a introductory html page with no applet that tells you that you must upgrade to the latest version of Java and tells you how to whitelist www.poologic.com. > > > > My applets are not signed at all. Also, I need to try to monitor what Oracle is doing. Not sure when or if my current strategy will no longer be viable.
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| From | Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 08:02 +0200 |
| Subject | News Reader (was: Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) |
| Message-ID | <c1mub4FhhvtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28932 |
On 03.07.2014 15:13, w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:07:31 AM UTC-4, w.tom...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 6:37:42 PM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote: >> >>> On 7/3/2014 1:41 AM, w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I developed a web site www.poologic.com that depends on a couple >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> of Java applets (Poologic Calculator and ROI Calculator). ... Can you please change your news reader client or at least formatting? This is barely readable. Thank you! Kind regards robert
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| From | Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2014-07-03 21:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u1eus6faxz2n$.bgjy1zthbgmt$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #28910 |
On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT), w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote: > I developed a web site www.poologic.com that depends on a couple of Java applets (Poologic Calculator and ROI Calculator). > The web site has become increasingly user unfriendly and hard to use due the Oracle's efforts to address security and the fact that applets are going out of style. (I developed the applets in 1999, maybe they were going out of style already back then, but I did not notice it till more recently.) That is only going to get worse over time. Applets are dead, courtesy of Sun and Oracle. Any hope that the situation will improve is by this point ludicrous. I recommend going with option 3, and looking into GWT. It's as good as you're going to get. Liebe Gruesse, Joerg -- Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider ungelesen.
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| From | Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 02:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5d237ee6-b5cf-4dc0-81a4-32177471183b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #28938 |
I recently started looking at GWT. I find mixed info on whether it will compile an applet (the UI classes I guess?), but maybe some of the info was too old and it's capable now. I will have to ask some questions and figure it out. I guess I could recode part of it by hand if need be. On Thursday, July 3, 2014 3:07:40 PM UTC-4, Joerg Meier wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT), w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > I developed a web site www.poologic.com that depends on a couple of Java applets (Poologic Calculator and ROI Calculator). > > > > > The web site has become increasingly user unfriendly and hard to use due the Oracle's efforts to address security and the fact that applets are going out of style. (I developed the applets in 1999, maybe they were going out of style already back then, but I did not notice it till more recently.) > > > > That is only going to get worse over time. Applets are dead, courtesy of > > Sun and Oracle. Any hope that the situation will improve is by this point > > ludicrous. I recommend going with option 3, and looking into GWT. It's as > > good as you're going to get. > > > > Liebe Gruesse, > > Joerg > > > > -- > > Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider > > ungelesen.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-06 12:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53b978b3$0$291$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #28944 |
On 7/4/2014 5:55 AM, Tom Adams wrote: > On Thursday, July 3, 2014 3:07:40 PM UTC-4, Joerg Meier wrote: >> I recommend going with option 3, and looking into GWT. It's as >> good as you're going to get. > I recently started looking at GWT. I find mixed info on whether it > will compile an applet (the UI classes I guess?), It won't. But that is the benefit! :-) You write a GUI application in Java. GWT translates it to JavaScript and it runs in any browser with no requirement for Java. The GUI programming model is very Java'ish in my opinion, so if you know AWT or Swing then I think you will catch up quickly. Arne
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| From | "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> |
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| Date | 2014-07-11 19:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lpq0cb$4h6$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #28969 |
On 7/6/2014 11:26 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > > You write a GUI application in Java. GWT translates it to JavaScript > and it runs in any browser with no requirement for Java. > > The GUI programming model is very Java'ish in my opinion, so if you know > AWT or Swing then I think you will catch up quickly. > > Arne > But AWT and SWing are also dead. JavaFX is the new thing. Will GWT translate JavaFX GUI apps to Javascript? --Nasser
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-11 20:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53c08845$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29062 |
On 7/11/2014 8:43 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote: > On 7/6/2014 11:26 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> You write a GUI application in Java. GWT translates it to JavaScript >> and it runs in any browser with no requirement for Java. >> >> The GUI programming model is very Java'ish in my opinion, so if you know >> AWT or Swing then I think you will catch up quickly. > > But AWT and SWing are also dead. JavaFX is the new thing. > > Will GWT translate JavaFX GUI apps to Javascript? No. It does not translate AWT or Swing to JS either. But the GWT programming model is very similar to AWT and Swing so if he has experience with those it should be easy. Even JavaFX skills would somewhat translate to GWT. The similarity is that you have TextBox, Button etc. that you put on TabPanel, FlowPanel etc.. You can call addClickHandler med en inner class etc.. Arne
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-11 22:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53c09d91$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29062 |
On 7/11/2014 10:00 PM, Stefan Ram wrote: > "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> writes: >> But AWT and SWing are also dead. JavaFX is the new thing. > > This week I look up a freelancer project site in Germany: > > 12 Swing projects, 1 JavaFX project. It is not that long time since Java 8 came out. But eventually JavaFX will replace Swing. > JavaFX can deliver effects. But can it be used to build > business user interfaces? Where are business form layouts > that are not pixel-based but logic-based? ???? JavaFX does layout similar to Swing: BorderPane, GridPane etc.. It is just usually declarative not code based. > How are style > guidelines supported accross different layouts? Where is a > theme that looks /and feels/ like Windows on Windows, so > that Windows users do not have to learn a totally new mode > of UI operation? L&F does not change UI operation just look and feel. But it is correct that JavaFX does not ship with a native theme. You will need to find something third party. I believe such exist for Metro aka Modern UI aka Windows Store App UI. > Yesterday they killed JavaFX Script. What parts of JavaFX > will they kill tomorrow? JavaFX has changed status since JavaFX script was killed. Not that likely that major functionality will be removed after becoming part of Java itself. Arne
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| From | Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-07-11 23:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lpq8ek$h4m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29065 |
On 7/11/2014 10:29 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/11/2014 10:00 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>> "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> writes:
>>> But AWT and SWing are also dead. JavaFX is the new thing.
>>
>> This week I look up a freelancer project site in Germany:
>>
>> 12 Swing projects, 1 JavaFX project.
>
> It is not that long time since Java 8 came out.
... and only seven years since JavaFX was announced, six
since it was made available to developers, five and a half since
its first general release.
JavaFX is roughly the same age as Windows Vista -- let us
drink to their bright future!
> But eventually JavaFX will replace Swing.
They're already working on the FlyingPig framework.
(Anyone unsure of his grasp of English-language irony should
consult <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_pig>.)
--
Eric Sosman
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-12 11:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53c14da0$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29066 |
On 7/11/2014 11:01 PM, Eric Sosman wrote: > On 7/11/2014 10:29 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 7/11/2014 10:00 PM, Stefan Ram wrote: >>> "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> writes: >>>> But AWT and SWing are also dead. JavaFX is the new thing. >>> >>> This week I look up a freelancer project site in Germany: >>> >>> 12 Swing projects, 1 JavaFX project. >> >> It is not that long time since Java 8 came out. > > ... and only seven years since JavaFX was announced, six > since it was made available to developers, five and a half since > its first general release. Yes. But there is a big difference between an external library and part of Java. Many users will want to stick to out of the box Java. And given the big incompatible changes between JavaFX 1.x and 2.x, then that decision would actually have been very smart for JavaFX. Arne
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| From | "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> |
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| Date | 2014-07-11 23:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lpqcmb$s40$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #29062 |
On 7/11/2014 10:16 PM, Stefan Ram wrote: > > Could it be that JavaFX will be damaging Java? > It surely already has damaged Swing! > If JavaFX is doomed, then Java itself is doomed. Oracle has put itself in a corner, as they are saying Swing is obsolete and asking developer to move to JavaFX. If both AWT, Swing and JavaFX are dead, then what other options are there for Java to make GUI with? --Nasser
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-12 11:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53c14f31$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29068 |
On 7/12/2014 12:13 AM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote: > On 7/11/2014 10:16 PM, Stefan Ram wrote: >> Could it be that JavaFX will be damaging Java? >> It surely already has damaged Swing! > > If JavaFX is doomed, then Java itself is doomed. Oracle has > put itself in a corner, as they are saying Swing is obsolete > and asking developer to move to JavaFX. No. Java applets and Java desktop apps are a very small niche within the Java world. JavaFX failing will not mean anything just like Swing failing has not meant anything for 10+ years. > If both AWT, Swing and JavaFX are dead, then what other options > are there for Java to make GUI with? There are a few "small" GUI types left: - web applications - Android applications :-) Arne
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| From | "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 13:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <N9mdnatJLvvUV17OnZ2dnUVZ7vOdnZ2d@bt.com> |
| In reply to | #29068 |
Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
> If JavaFX is doomed, then Java itself is doomed.
I don't see why. If Java-on-the-desktop died /totally/ this minute it wouldn't
make a lot of difference even this afternoon. And in the longer term it's not
at all clear what "the desktop" will be. If it's Android tablets and similar
then even today Java is used in Rather A Lot of applications (but not
AWT/Swing/JavaFX). If it's something else then Java may or may not be relevant
there.
Personal opinion ("guess" would be a better word): JavaFX will be relevant on
the desktop, or on whatever replaces it, if and only if Oracle manages to make
it the /default/ application framework for that environment. That won't happen
on Windows, won't happen on Apple kit, won't happen on Android (pissing off
Google wasn't perhaps the smatest stategic decision Oracle have ever made ;-)
If, and only if, Oracle feels that control over the desktop (or whatever
replaces it) is /necessary/ for it's future will it attempt to push JavaFX into
that position. And the only way (that I can see) it can do that is by building
its own super-desirable devices.
But of course, there's no reason to suppose that control over the desktop (or
whatever) is necessary to the survival of either Oracle or Java.
-- chris
P.S. I think there is some scope for a super-desirbale (for businesses)
Oracle-based device: I like the idea of totally transparent integration of the
device desktop with SQL-in-the-cloud.
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| From | Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 18:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lq10uv$689$1@news2.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> |
| In reply to | #29095 |
On 14.07.2014 14:11, Chris Uppal wrote:
> Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>
>> If JavaFX is doomed, then Java itself is doomed.
>
> I don't see why. If Java-on-the-desktop died /totally/ this minute it wouldn't
> make a lot of difference even this afternoon. And in the longer term it's not
> at all clear what "the desktop" will be.
Java on the desktop is already dead, it died a long time ago. There is
usage for Java on the server. The "desktop" becomes more and more the
browser - applets could have done it, but Oracle killed it succesfully.
> Personal opinion ("guess" would be a better word): JavaFX will be relevant on
> the desktop, or on whatever replaces it, if and only if Oracle manages to make
> it the /default/ application framework for that environment. That won't happen
> on Windows, won't happen on Apple kit, won't happen on Android (pissing off
> Google wasn't perhaps the smatest stategic decision Oracle have ever made ;-)
Exactly, it won't happen. It's too late, too little, and there are too
many other problems Oracle should have solved. Java applets have been
replaced by Javascript already. Yet, such javascript applications can be
written in Java and compiled to javascript. Thus, java itself is not
dead, but java applets are. Java on the desktop is.
> But of course, there's no reason to suppose that control over the desktop (or
> whatever) is necessary to the survival of either Oracle or Java.
Exactly. Use has been found for java in multiple ways, but it's not the
desktop. JavaFX is just a stupid idea - it does not solve a single
problem java has.
Greetings,
Thomas
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| From | Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 19:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <c2iih3F8cksU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #29100 |
On 14.07.2014 18:36, Thomas Richter wrote: > Java on the desktop is already dead, it died a long time ago. My Eclipse is pretty alive and kickin'. > There is > usage for Java on the server. The "desktop" becomes more and more the > browser - applets could have done it, but Oracle killed it succesfully. Granted, a lot is going web. But that does not mean that it works for everything - not even that everything which is currently done web would not be better off with a local UI. Cheers robert
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