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| Started by | Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> |
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| First post | 2013-12-22 11:05 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-01-03 15:43 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 163 — 27 participants |
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ORMs comparisons/complaints. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-12-22 11:05 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 14:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 15:17 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 15:38 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 15:47 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 16:04 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 16:09 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 16:20 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 16:34 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-12-22 22:45 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-12-22 17:33 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 12:54 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 22:34 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 12:28 +0100
c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 08:49 -0500
Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 09:35 +1100
Re: c Graham Hobbs <ghobbs@cdpwise.net> - 2013-12-24 19:35 -0500
Re: c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 00:08 -0500
Re: c lipska the kat <"lipskathekat at yahoo dot co dot uk"> - 2013-12-25 09:07 +0000
Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 20:41 +1100
[EOD] Re: c Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-25 11:15 +0100
Re: [EOD] Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 23:29 +1100
Re: [EOD] Re: c The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-25 12:48 +0000
Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 17:46 +1100
Re: c Graham Hobbs <ghobbs@cdpwise.net> - 2013-12-25 09:24 -0500
Re: c Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 22:51 -0500
Re: c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 08:03 -0500
Re: c Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 12:40 -0500
Re: c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 12:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 22:48 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 17:38 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-23 07:57 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 10:11 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-23 19:59 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 12:14 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:02 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 15:40 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-22 20:48 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 22:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 14:54 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:06 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 15:21 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 08:04 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 12:32 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 12:47 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 08:23 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-12-30 19:45 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Ricardo Palomaes <rpmdisguise-java@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 19:20 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-30 18:34 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 14:27 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2013-12-22 22:26 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:17 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2013-12-31 11:12 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 21:35 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2014-01-06 22:19 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-07 23:33 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-01-08 00:37 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:03 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2013-12-31 15:30 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 03:57 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-02 21:00 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 01:34 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 21:56 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-04 01:15 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 14:45 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-05 03:59 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-05 15:51 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-05 23:53 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-05 20:00 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 15:38 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 15:41 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 12:27 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 18:49 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 15:39 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2013-12-22 16:11 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:08 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:36 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-30 22:13 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-30 22:09 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-31 11:30 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-31 08:11 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-01 14:20 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 22:05 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 14:48 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 21:57 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 04:04 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:39 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 09:10 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-01-03 20:10 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 18:34 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-01-04 07:02 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-01-04 14:12 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 13:53 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2014-01-08 11:48 +0200
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-08 14:27 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-04 17:17 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 21:54 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 04:09 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:54 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 09:18 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:45 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-12-23 13:25 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:27 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-12-30 14:38 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-12-30 09:36 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-12-31 01:26 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 22:23 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 22:19 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-01-02 12:36 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2014-01-02 09:36 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-01-02 21:06 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 14:48 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:59 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 21:07 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 21:10 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-31 09:44 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-23 07:22 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:20 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-25 13:56 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. jebblue <n@n.nnn> - 2013-12-31 10:52 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Evan Platt <evan@theobvious.espphotography.com.invalid> - 2013-12-31 11:50 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-31 17:54 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. jebblue <n@n.nnn> - 2013-12-31 19:33 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 17:37 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 21:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-02 19:34 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-02 10:02 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 23:09 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-02 12:22 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-03 20:06 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 09:17 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-04 00:41 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-01-03 06:41 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 14:56 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 12:12 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-03 19:30 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 16:04 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-03 22:30 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-05 23:44 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:28 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:08 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 16:22 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 00:29 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 09:08 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 10:18 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 15:24 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 17:10 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-04 10:02 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-04 16:02 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-04 17:27 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 12:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-04 19:51 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 19:24 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 14:08 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:39 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:43 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-03 20:19 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 09:23 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 11:34 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 15:58 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:01 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 17:44 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 15:43 -0500
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| From | Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-25 11:15 +0100 |
| Subject | [EOD] Re: c |
| Message-ID | <MPG.2d24ce992be18af18@202.177.16.121> |
| In reply to | #27078 |
In article <7YWdnVHsrJM_NSfPnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>, Qu0ll (Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com) says... > I wouldn't mind being labelled a "troll" if I actually engaged in trollish > behaviour. But objecting to a self-appointed "newsgroup cop" who > attempts to hijack threads and shove them into the groups *he* thinks > they belong is most definitely *not* trollish. Please notice you're have allowed yourself to be dragged into the troll's game by responding more often than necessary, which is what allowed the troll to hijack the thread in the first place. I personally don't have the greatest trouble with someone putting a troll right once and ignoring him thereafter, but this one is going on for too long in my opinion, and hopefully in yours too. May I, with no further argument, request an EOD here, please? Thank you in advance, -- ..Alesi's problem was that the back of the car was jumping up and down dangerously - and I can assure you from having been teammate to Jean Alesi and knowing what kind of cars that he can pull up with, when Jean Alesi says that a car is dangerous - it is. [Jonathan Palmer] --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-25 23:29 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: [EOD] Re: c |
| Message-ID | <1qOdnbDbY_OMTSfPnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #27079 |
"Wanja Gayk" wrote in message news:MPG.2d24ce992be18af18@202.177.16.121... > Please notice you're have allowed yourself to be dragged into the > troll's game by responding more often than necessary, which is what > allowed the troll to hijack the thread in the first place. > I personally don't have the greatest trouble with someone putting a > troll right once and ignoring him thereafter, but this one is going on > for too long in my opinion, and hopefully in yours too. > May I, with no further argument, request an EOD here, please? Well said. EOD. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-25 12:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [EOD] Re: c |
| Message-ID | <l9ek6e$tmc$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #27080 |
On 25/12/13 12:29, Qu0ll wrote: > "Wanja Gayk" wrote in message news:MPG.2d24ce992be18af18@202.177.16.121... >> Please notice you're have allowed yourself to be dragged into the >> troll's game by responding more often than necessary, which is what >> allowed the troll to hijack the thread in the first place. >> I personally don't have the greatest trouble with someone putting a >> troll right once and ignoring him thereafter, but this one is going on >> for too long in my opinion, and hopefully in yours too. >> May I, with no further argument, request an EOD here, please? > > Well said. EOD. > > -- > And loving it, > > -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) > _________________________________________________ > Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com > [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me] since the main protagonists are already plonked here, I only get to see the reactions. The answer is simple, plonk the protagonists yourself. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-25 17:46 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: c |
| Message-ID | <XcmdnUIZCZxeGCfPnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #27074 |
"Graham Hobbs" wrote in message news:j1akb9d0q74ruod75e30fca2f9ronqpqo7@4ax.com... > Just browsing a couple of c.l.p threads I find the likes of Michael > Vilain, Jerry Stuckle, Christof Michael Becker, Denis McMahon, Tim > Streater, others .. you are simply 'Queue you zero el el'. Right, so you also agree that only those who have posted regularly in one particular group have either the right to post there or comment on other posts? Or that newcomers can be treated as though they are second-class citizens? What kind of group is this exactly? Because I am not aware of such rules in any *other* group! -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Graham Hobbs <ghobbs@cdpwise.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-25 09:24 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: c |
| Message-ID | <65qlb958egqfv5836ao8gdc23kouurb510@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #27076 |
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 17:46:54 +1100, "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote: >"Graham Hobbs" wrote in message >news:j1akb9d0q74ruod75e30fca2f9ronqpqo7@4ax.com... > >> Just browsing a couple of c.l.p threads I find the likes of Michael >> Vilain, Jerry Stuckle, Christof Michael Becker, Denis McMahon, Tim >> Streater, others .. you are simply 'Queue you zero el el'. > >Right, so you also agree that only those who have posted regularly in one >particular group have either the right to post there or comment on other >posts? Or that newcomers can be treated as though they are second-class >citizens? What kind of group is this exactly? Because I am not aware of >such rules in any *other* group! --- You did not answer my question. Was it unreasonable .. what is your name? Graham
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 22:51 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: c |
| Message-ID | <52c0edb6$0$300$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27071 |
On 12/24/2013 8:49 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > But let me see if I can make this so simple even a TROLL can understand > it (probably not - TROLLS are too dense to understand much of anything). > This is for questions about the PHP LANGUAGE, not PHP PRODUCTS. See > the charter for this newsgroup. The only charter Google can find say that database connectivity from PHP (which is what a PHP ORM is) is on topic. What charter are you referring to? Arne
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 08:03 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: c |
| Message-ID | <l9rque$t40$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27106 |
On 12/29/2013 10:51 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 12/24/2013 8:49 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> But let me see if I can make this so simple even a TROLL can understand >> it (probably not - TROLLS are too dense to understand much of anything). >> This is for questions about the PHP LANGUAGE, not PHP PRODUCTS. See >> the charter for this newsgroup. > > The only charter Google can find say that database connectivity from PHP > (which is what a PHP ORM is) is on topic. > > What charter are you referring to? > > Arne > > ORM is not database connectivity. But you obviously are too stoopid to understand there is a difference. FYI. Database connectivity is discussed in the PHP manual (see www.php.net). ORM is NOT. But then I've found some Java programmers aren't very smart. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 12:40 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: c |
| Message-ID | <52c1aff2$0$300$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27116 |
On 12/30/2013 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 12/29/2013 10:51 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 12/24/2013 8:49 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> But let me see if I can make this so simple even a TROLL can understand >>> it (probably not - TROLLS are too dense to understand much of anything). >>> This is for questions about the PHP LANGUAGE, not PHP PRODUCTS. See >>> the charter for this newsgroup. >> >> The only charter Google can find say that database connectivity from PHP >> (which is what a PHP ORM is) is on topic. >> >> What charter are you referring to? > > ORM is not database connectivity. It is what the application is using to connect to the database - that is connectivity. > But you obviously are too stoopid to > understand there is a difference. > > FYI. Database connectivity is discussed in the PHP manual (see > www.php.net). ORM is NOT. If the charter said that only what is covered in the PHP manual is on topic, then ORM was definitely off topic. But it does not. It includes database connectivity without making any restrictions on it being included in PHP and/or being documented in the PHP documentation. That means that PEAR DB stuff, ORM etc. are on topic. Live with it or get the charter changed. > But then I've found some Java programmers aren't very smart. Said the person that considered ORM's to be applications. Arne
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 12:46 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: c |
| Message-ID | <l9sbig$787$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27122 |
On 12/30/2013 12:40 PM, The well known TROLL Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 12/30/2013 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 12/29/2013 10:51 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 12/24/2013 8:49 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>> But let me see if I can make this so simple even a TROLL can understand >>>> it (probably not - TROLLS are too dense to understand much of >>>> anything). >>>> This is for questions about the PHP LANGUAGE, not PHP PRODUCTS. See >>>> the charter for this newsgroup. >>> >>> The only charter Google can find say that database connectivity from PHP >>> (which is what a PHP ORM is) is on topic. >>> >>> What charter are you referring to? >> >> ORM is not database connectivity. > > It is what the application is using to connect to the database - that > is connectivity. > >> But you obviously are too stoopid to >> understand there is a difference. >> >> FYI. Database connectivity is discussed in the PHP manual (see >> www.php.net). ORM is NOT. > > If the charter said that only what is covered in the PHP manual is > on topic, then ORM was definitely off topic. > > But it does not. It includes database connectivity without making > any restrictions on it being included in PHP and/or being documented > in the PHP documentation. > > That means that PEAR DB stuff, ORM etc. are on topic. > > Live with it or get the charter changed. > >> But then I've found some Java programmers aren't very smart. > > Said the person that considered ORM's to be applications. > > Arne > > The OP was asking about ORM packages. That is NOT "database connectivity". But you're too stoopid to know the difference. Applications and packages are best known by the people who wrote them; second are people are use them. Neither are present on comp.lang.php. But then you, who have never been on c.l.p., think you know better than the regulars who have been here for years. How like the TROLL you are. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-22 22:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l98bph$v8o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27058 |
On 12/22/2013 8:54 PM, the well-known troll Qu0ll wrote: > "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message news:l97lta$j20$1@dont-email.me... > >> If you want, you can talk all you want about it in c.l.j.p. But this >> does not belong in c.l.p. >> >> FUP set to c.l.j.p only. > > Jerry, could you please post a copy of the certificate you received when > you were appointed the owner of c.l.p? Either that or the "Resident > Troll Award" would be suitable. > > -- > And loving it, > > -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) > _________________________________________________ > Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com > [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me] Qu0ll, Could you please show where you EVER have posted in comp.lang.php? We have a good group here. Don't ruin it by making off-topic posts. If you what to see what's appropriate, please refer to the charger for the newsgroup. This is comp.LANG.php, not comp.ORM.php. Fupped to c.l.j.p. for the TROLL's benefit (correct one this time) -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-23 17:38 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <7sCdnTOSi4DvRyrPnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #27060 |
"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message news:l98bph$v8o$1@dont-email.me... Wow Jerry, your response was so weak you felt the need to post it 3 times! > Qu0ll, > > Could you please show where you EVER have posted in comp.lang.php? > > We have a good group here. Don't ruin it by making off-topic posts. If > you what to see what's appropriate, please refer to the charger for the > newsgroup. > > This is comp.LANG.php, not comp.ORM.php. OK, I get it, people who have never posted in a particular group are not allowed to comment. Got it. My mistake, I see you really *do* own the group! > Fupped to c.l.j.p. for the TROLL's benefit (correct one this time) Not sure how you benefitted from that but thanks for the admission. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-23 07:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l99c07$fvi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27062 |
On 12/23/2013 1:38 AM, the well-known TROLL Qu0ll wrote: > "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message news:l98bph$v8o$1@dont-email.me... > > Wow Jerry, your response was so weak you felt the need to post it 3 times! > >> Qu0ll, >> >> Could you please show where you EVER have posted in comp.lang.php? >> >> We have a good group here. Don't ruin it by making off-topic posts. >> If you what to see what's appropriate, please refer to the charger for >> the newsgroup. >> >> This is comp.LANG.php, not comp.ORM.php. > > OK, I get it, people who have never posted in a particular group are not > allowed to comment. Got it. My mistake, I see you really *do* own the > group! > People with PHP questions are welcome. But we have enough TROLLS without you. You do not know the group, the history or the members. But you know better than the regular readers what is best for this newsgroup. How like the TROLL you are so well-known as! No wonder you refuse to use your real name and use a gmail address. >> Fupped to c.l.j.p. for the TROLL's benefit (correct one this time) > > Not sure how you benefitted from that but thanks for the admission. > > -- > And loving it, > > -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) > _________________________________________________ > Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com > [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me] FUP reset for the TROLL's benefit. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-24 10:11 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <d4ydnZBcHbe_XiXPnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #27064 |
"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message news:l99c07$fvi$1@dont-email.me... > People with PHP questions are welcome. But we have enough TROLLS without > you. You do not know the group, the history or the members. But you know > better than the regular readers what is best for this newsgroup. There's one in every newsgroup. The one who thinks they own it. The one who thinks their opinion is more important than any other. The one who thinks they have the right to say who posts and who doesn't post. The one who treats newbies like they have committed a federal offence. The one who spends more time picking up on grammar or capitalisation than actually helping others. And the one whose opinion of themselves is of the rock star of all rock stars. Thank you Jerry for putting up your hand and letting newcomers know who this person is for c.l.p so quickly! -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-23 19:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9am9u$djb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27066 |
On 12/23/2013 6:11 PM, the well-known TROLL Qu0ll wrote: > "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message news:l99c07$fvi$1@dont-email.me... > >> People with PHP questions are welcome. But we have enough TROLLS >> without you. You do not know the group, the history or the members. >> But you know better than the regular readers what is best for this >> newsgroup. > > There's one in every newsgroup. The one who thinks they own it. The > one who thinks their opinion is more important than any other. The one > who thinks they have the right to say who posts and who doesn't post. > The one who treats newbies like they have committed a federal offence. > The one who spends more time picking up on grammar or capitalisation > than actually helping others. And the one whose opinion of themselves is > of the rock star of all rock stars. > > Thank you Jerry for putting up your hand and letting newcomers know who > this person is for c.l.p so quickly! > Yes, with your presence has added one more TROLL to this newsgroup. We don't need you. Go back and ruin your java newsgroup. And FYI, I am NOT the only one who feels this way. The majority of the non-trolls in this newsgroup feel the same way. I'm just the first one to speak up in this thread. I'll let you have the last word. TROLLS always need that to feed their fragile ego. That's why they're afraid to use their real names or a non-gmail et.al. address. They're terrified someone will find out who they really are! FUP'd to comp.lang.java.programmer, although I know the TROLL will change it again. Why do you guys even put up with him? -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-24 12:14 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <r9ednQ4S-bu9fSXPnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #27067 |
"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message news:l9am9u$djb$1@dont-email.me... > I'll let you have the last word. Let's see if you can keep your word. > FUP'd to comp.lang.java.programmer This is typical behaviour of the kind of person I was describing: criticise and then run, kind of like a guy standing outside a brawl who comes in and throws one punch and then runs away to avoid repercussions. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 23:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52c0f061$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27067 |
On 12/23/2013 7:59 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 12/23/2013 6:11 PM, the well-known TROLL Qu0ll wrote: >> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message news:l99c07$fvi$1@dont-email.me... >> >>> People with PHP questions are welcome. But we have enough TROLLS >>> without you. You do not know the group, the history or the members. >>> But you know better than the regular readers what is best for this >>> newsgroup. >> >> There's one in every newsgroup. The one who thinks they own it. The >> one who thinks their opinion is more important than any other. The one >> who thinks they have the right to say who posts and who doesn't post. >> The one who treats newbies like they have committed a federal offence. >> The one who spends more time picking up on grammar or capitalisation >> than actually helping others. And the one whose opinion of themselves is >> of the rock star of all rock stars. >> >> Thank you Jerry for putting up your hand and letting newcomers know who >> this person is for c.l.p so quickly! > > Yes, with your presence has added one more TROLL to this newsgroup. We > don't need you. Go back and ruin your java newsgroup. > FUP'd to comp.lang.java.programmer, although I know the TROLL will > change it again. Why do you guys even put up with him? Because he does not troll. He is a bit optimistic about the future for JavaFX, but that is not trolling. Feel free to google yourself. Arne
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 15:40 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <CqGdnUK4BIrnZF3PnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #27108 |
"Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:52c0f061$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > He is a bit optimistic about the future for JavaFX, but that is > not trolling. A bit optimistic? Nah, JavaFX is the future of cross-platform app development and will also bring about world peace ;-) -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-22 20:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-46E273.20485622122013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #27058 |
In article <du2dnSyfhaGKBSrPnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>, "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote: > "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message news:l97lta$j20$1@dont-email.me... > > > If you want, you can talk all you want about it in c.l.j.p. But this does > > not belong in c.l.p. > > > > FUP set to c.l.j.p only. > > Jerry, could you please post a copy of the certificate you received when you > were appointed the owner of c.l.p? Either that or the "Resident Troll > Award" would be suitable. > > -- > And loving it, > > -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) > _________________________________________________ > Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com > [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me] It's amusing what I miss after I plonked him. Not much, still, from what I can tell. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 22:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52c0eca1$0$300$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27053 |
On 12/22/2013 4:34 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 12/22/2013 4:20 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 12/22/2013 4:09 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 12/22/2013 4:04 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>>> On 12/22/2013 3:47 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>> On 12/22/2013 3:38 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>>>>> On 12/22/2013 3:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/22/2013 2:05 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote: >>>>>>>> Hey everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is cross-posted to cl.java.programmer and cl.php. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been doing some thinking about my experiences with various >>>>>>>> ORMs, >>>>>>>> both positive and negative. I find that I often stretch systems to >>>>>>>> there limits, and end up doing a lot of meta-programming to solve >>>>>>>> problems that I've always felt should have been solved by the core >>>>>>>> libraries. Mostly to follow DRY and KISS principals in the core >>>>>>>> business code. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm curious if others' have found the same things I have, or if >>>>>>>> they've >>>>>>>> been satisfied doing things other ways, and if so what ORMs they >>>>>>>> use. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've had experience with the following Java ORMs: >>>>>>>> * Hibernate (version 3, using Annotations for instance) >>>>>>>> * Ibatis (many years ago, don't remember the version. around >>>>>>>> 2006) >>>>>>>> * Straight JDBC. Not exactly an ORM :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And then one non-Java ORM: Doctrine, which is modeled after >>>>>>>> Hibernate, >>>>>>>> including most of its flaws, but missing some of its features. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, my question to the groups, what ORMs have you used, and what >>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> like and hate about each of them? I'm not trying to start a flame >>>>>>>> war, >>>>>>>> so please keep it to personal experiences with projects which used >>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm interested in use-cases from simple small one-off >>>>>>>> applications to >>>>>>>> complex enterprise-level systems, and highly-scalable systems. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please include details like "it's easier to maintain <x> type of >>>>>>>> changes >>>>>>>> with our approach, but <y> is very difficult" etc... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a PHP question in there? I don't see one... >>>>>> >>>>>> Doctrine is PHP. And the question is open ended so other PHP >>>>>> ORM's could be included in discussion. >>>>> >>>>> I still don't see a PHP question here. I see some product questions - >>>>> which would be better suited in a newsgroup for those applications. >>>>> >>>>> Just because something uses PHP does not mean it is appropriate for a >>>>> PHP language newsgroup. >>>>> >>>>> But I know some people don't believe in segregation of newsgroups and >>>>> think anything should be able to be asked in any newsgroup. >>>> >>>> ORM's are not applications. They are libraries. >>>> >>>> And since it is question asking for comparison, then a group >>>> for a specific library is not a good choice. >>>> >>>> Instead a group with people with experience and interest in >>>> different ways of database access from PHP is needed. >>>> >>>> comp.lang.php does not seem that far fetched. >>>> >>>> Obviously comp.lang.php.databaseaccess or >>>> comp.lang.php.databaseaccess.orm >>>> would be even better if such exists. >>> >>> Yes, an ORM-related newsgroup would be more appropriate. There you have >>> people who know the advantages and disadvantages of various ORM's. >> >> ORM's are language specific. So it would need to be a PHP ORM group >> to cover PHP. >> >> Does one exist? >> >>> Few, if any, in the language-related newsgroups will have used an ORM, >>> and if they have, they have very limited experience. >> >> That depends on the language. >> >> In languages like Java and C# it would be >90% that have used an ORM. >> >> It is probably much less in PHP as ORM's are not as widely used >> in the PHP world. >> >> But I suspect that Daniel even may be interested in knowing more >> about why it is so. > > If you want, you can talk all you want about it in c.l.j.p. But this > does not belong in c.l.p. So you keep saying. But just saying it does not make it correct. I just googled and found the original comp.lang.php charter from 2002. I says: "Since database connectivity is a large part of PHP, it will be considered topical in comp.lang.php." Unless you have changed the charter since then (Google can not find that, but that does not prove that it does not exist), then that means that ORM in PHP is on topic for comp.lang.php. Arne
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 14:54 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <8o2dnTQMEr8Dc13PnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #27105 |
"Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:52c0eca1$0$300$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >> If you want, you can talk all you want about it in c.l.j.p. But this >> does not belong in c.l.p. > > So you keep saying. > > But just saying it does not make it correct. > > I just googled and found the original comp.lang.php charter > from 2002. > > I says: > > "Since database connectivity is a large part of PHP, it will > be considered topical in comp.lang.php." > > Unless you have changed the charter since then (Google can not > find that, but that does not prove that it does not exist), then > that means that ORM in PHP is on topic for comp.lang.php. No, no, no Arne! Don't throw facts at a troll, they do not know how to handle them! I found this which I think is a more recent c.l.p charter and is the one that's obviously in effect now: "Posts are considered topical for comp.lang.php if they relate to PHP directly or indirectly but only if Jerry Stuckle approves of either the post, the content or the poster. Note: Jerry (who is the official owner of c.l.p) does *NOT* permit any posts which have any of the following attributes: 1. They are posted by someone who has never posted in c.l.p before. 2. The poster uses a Gmail address. 3. The poster chooses not to publish their actual name. 4. The poster or post makes Jerry look like a fool. Please email Jerry directly if any of this is not clear." Unfortunately point (4) results in most posts being declared spam by said owner. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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