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  Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-14 00:20 +0000
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-13 20:36 -0400
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-13 20:41 -0400
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arivald <NOSPAMarivald@interia.pl> - 2013-08-14 08:58 +0200
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-08-14 11:18 +0200
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 13:15 -0500
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-12-30 10:17 -0800
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 15:08 -0500
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 08:34 +1100
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 17:56 -0500
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 10:06 +1100
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 18:16 -0500
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-30 17:38 -0600
                  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 18:53 -0500
                  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-12-31 02:40 +0100
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-12-31 02:37 +0100
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-08-14 11:21 +0200
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-14 19:53 +0000
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-08-14 18:13 -0700
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-15 21:04 +0000
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 08:18 +1000
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-15 06:46 +0800
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:05 +1000
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 16:58 +0800
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 21:56 -0400
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 19:28 -0400
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:48 +1000
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:20 +0800
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 21:55 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-17 11:26 +0800
                  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-18 21:33 -0400
                    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-19 19:44 +1000
                      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 18:17 +0800
                        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:52 -0400
                      [OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-08-19 08:31 -0400
                        Re: [OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-23 17:13 +1000
                      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:48 -0400
                    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 17:56 +0800
                      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:25 -0400
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:06 +0800
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:29 +1000
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:57 +0800
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 21:16 +1000
                  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-08-16 18:23 -0300
                    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-16 23:22 +0000
                      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-17 10:24 +1000
                        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-17 08:55 +0800
                          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 18:24 -0700
                        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-08-16 22:59 -0300
                          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-18 21:36 -0400
                            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 18:00 +0800
                              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-08-19 13:11 +0100
                              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:32 -0400
                        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:09 -0400
                        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-17 11:37 +0000
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:07 -0400
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:02 -0400
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-15 21:13 +0000
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:13 +0800
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-16 20:01 +0000
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 18:51 -0400
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:07 +1000
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 19:26 -0400
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:53 +1000
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-08-14 18:06 -0700
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 15:10 +1000
                  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:40 -0400
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 21:23 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 15:23 +1000
                  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:41 -0400
                    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:07 +1000
                  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:45 -0400
                    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:49 -0400
                      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:11 +1000
                        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:13 -0400
                      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:26 +0800
                    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:09 +1000
                      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:14 -0400
          Please don't discuss the outside world Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:22 +0800
            Re: Please don't discuss the outside world "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 20:50 +1000

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#24979

"Martin Gregorie"  wrote in message news:kueih9$tfu$1@dont-email.me...

> Are there any decent compatibility packages that would let a Java
> graphical application compile and run on both Linux and Android platforms?
>
> If not, are there any decent Android emulators that can be used to
> develop Android graphical apps under Linux?

For what it's worth, *all* of my future UI/front-end code written in Java 
will be using JavaFX.  If you haven't checked it out yet then I strongly 
suggest you do.  It's actually quite awesome and if you have a look at the 
session titles from this year's impending Java One and if you follow the 
buzz in the JavaFX developer community you will be convinced that it's only 
a matter of time until JavaFX will run on Windows, MacOS, Linux, ARM and... 
iOS and Android in the very near future.

Swing/AWT is officially deprecated and will slowly shrivel and die.  JavaFX 
is the way ahead and could easily become the *best* cross-platform SDK in 
*any* language.

And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
[Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me] 

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#24983

On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
> "Martin Gregorie"  wrote in message news:kueih9$tfu$1@dont-email.me...
>
>> Are there any decent compatibility packages that would let a Java
>> graphical application compile and run on both Linux and Android
>> platforms?
>>
>> If not, are there any decent Android emulators that can be used to
>> develop Android graphical apps under Linux?
>
> For what it's worth, *all* of my future UI/front-end code written in
> Java will be using JavaFX.  If you haven't checked it out yet then I
> strongly suggest you do.  It's actually quite awesome and if you have a
> look at the session titles from this year's impending Java One and if
> you follow the buzz in the JavaFX developer community you will be
> convinced that it's only a matter of time until JavaFX will run on
> Windows, MacOS, Linux, ARM and... iOS and Android in the very near future.
>
> Swing/AWT is officially deprecated and will slowly shrivel and die.
> JavaFX is the way ahead and could easily become the *best*
> cross-platform SDK in *any* language.
>
> And loving it,
>
> -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]

Or he could go HTML5, Javascript and CSS3 and save himself the move later?

A mobile browser that supports Applets would be REALLY useful though!

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#24986

"Richard Maher"  wrote in message news:kuh1bj$2ps$1@speranza.aioe.org...

> Or he could go HTML5, Javascript and CSS3 and save himself the move later?

What move?  Native apps (and this includes those written in JavaFX) are here 
to stay.  They fill a niche not filled by HTML5/JS/CSS3.  These 2 
technologies are seen by many as competitors but to me they can both 
co-exist quite peacefully as each caters for a different market.

> A mobile browser that supports Applets would be REALLY useful though!

Really?  Are you *still* flogging the dead Applet horse?

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
[Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me] 

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#25018

On 8/15/2013 7:05 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
>
>> A mobile browser that supports Applets would be REALLY useful though!
>
> Really?  Are you *still* flogging the dead Applet horse?
>

Unlike JavaFX, Applets add value to the client. Functionality that is 
simply unavailable erstwhile.

Sure native apps on mobile platforms are a huge market and Apps that can 
be dragged out of the browser are a growing part of that.

I just don't see Java as the Android or iOS as the development tool of 
choice where I've been. Maybe it's much bigger where you are.

> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]

Cheers Richard Maher

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#25041

On 8/16/2013 4:58 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 8/15/2013 7:05 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
>>
>>> A mobile browser that supports Applets would be REALLY useful though!
>>
>> Really?  Are you *still* flogging the dead Applet horse?
>>
>
> Unlike JavaFX, Applets add value to the client. Functionality that is
> simply unavailable erstwhile.

There are some alternatives.

You may not like them, but they are still there.

Arne

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#24989

On 8/14/2013 6:46 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
>> "Martin Gregorie"  wrote in message news:kueih9$tfu$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>>> Are there any decent compatibility packages that would let a Java
>>> graphical application compile and run on both Linux and Android
>>> platforms?
>>>
>>> If not, are there any decent Android emulators that can be used to
>>> develop Android graphical apps under Linux?
>>
>> For what it's worth, *all* of my future UI/front-end code written in
>> Java will be using JavaFX.  If you haven't checked it out yet then I
>> strongly suggest you do.  It's actually quite awesome and if you have a
>> look at the session titles from this year's impending Java One and if
>> you follow the buzz in the JavaFX developer community you will be
>> convinced that it's only a matter of time until JavaFX will run on
>> Windows, MacOS, Linux, ARM and... iOS and Android in the very near
>> future.
>>
>> Swing/AWT is officially deprecated and will slowly shrivel and die.
>> JavaFX is the way ahead and could easily become the *best*
>> cross-platform SDK in *any* language.
 >
> Or he could go HTML5, Javascript and CSS3 and save himself the move later?

JavaFX support FXML, JavaScript and CSS3.

JavaFX support HTML5, Javascript and CSS3 in embedded browser.

> A mobile browser that supports Applets would be REALLY useful though!

Applets are not a priority any longer.

But you can use JavaFX in applets too!

:-)

Arne

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#24990

"Arne Vajhøj"  wrote in message 
news:520c1295$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

> Applets are not a priority any longer.
>
> But you can use JavaFX in applets too!

In theory that is true but in practice the browser vendors are so 
"anti-plugin" and especially "anti-Java" that such a deployment method has 
no future.

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
[Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me] 

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#25024

On 8/15/2013 7:48 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
> "Arne Vajhøj"  wrote in message
> news:520c1295$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>
>> Applets are not a priority any longer.
>>
>> But you can use JavaFX in applets too!
>
> In theory that is true but in practice the browser vendors are so
> "anti-plugin" and especially "anti-Java" that such a deployment method
> has no future.

Let me make this clear ***ORACLE*** and not any browser supplier is the 
biggest obstacle and pulled ham-string that Applets have :-(

Even the Mozilla guys (who many find Java and all plugins anathema) are 
so helpfull and engaging and tolerant when it comes to Applets and Java 
(** and iced-tea ***) that we should all be singing their praises.

Two examples: -
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=872969

Waiting on an Oracle bug 17232568

And one I entered, but cannot see, that highlights the bug with 
JSObject.call() not being able to pass arrays. Java method parameters 
and return values can hanle arrays even Uint8Array views over an 
ArrayBuffer but Call() says "no".

>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]

Cheers Richard Maher

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#25040

On 8/16/2013 5:20 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 8/15/2013 7:48 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
>> "Arne Vajhøj"  wrote in message
>> news:520c1295$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>>
>>> Applets are not a priority any longer.
>>>
>>> But you can use JavaFX in applets too!
>>
>> In theory that is true but in practice the browser vendors are so
>> "anti-plugin" and especially "anti-Java" that such a deployment method
>> has no future.
>
> Let me make this clear ***ORACLE*** and not any browser supplier is the
> biggest obstacle and pulled ham-string that Applets have :-(

Oracle is a business.

Oracle does not make any money from applet technology.

Arne

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#25048

On 8/17/2013 9:55 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 8/16/2013 5:20 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
>> On 8/15/2013 7:48 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
>>> "Arne Vajhøj"  wrote in message
>>> news:520c1295$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>>>
>>>> Applets are not a priority any longer.
>>>>
>>>> But you can use JavaFX in applets too!
>>>
>>> In theory that is true but in practice the browser vendors are so
>>> "anti-plugin" and especially "anti-Java" that such a deployment method
>>> has no future.
>>
>> Let me make this clear ***ORACLE*** and not any browser supplier is the
>> biggest obstacle and pulled ham-string that Applets have :-(
>
> Oracle is a business.
>
> Oracle does not make any money from applet technology.

How much do they make from JavaFX?


>
> Arne
>
>

Cheers Richard Maher

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#25052

On 8/16/2013 11:26 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 8/17/2013 9:55 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 8/16/2013 5:20 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
>>> On 8/15/2013 7:48 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
>>>> "Arne Vajhøj"  wrote in message
>>>> news:520c1295$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>>>>
>>>>> Applets are not a priority any longer.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you can use JavaFX in applets too!
>>>>
>>>> In theory that is true but in practice the browser vendors are so
>>>> "anti-plugin" and especially "anti-Java" that such a deployment method
>>>> has no future.
>>>
>>> Let me make this clear ***ORACLE*** and not any browser supplier is the
>>> biggest obstacle and pulled ham-string that Applets have :-(
>>
>> Oracle is a business.
>>
>> Oracle does not make any money from applet technology.
>
> How much do they make from JavaFX?

That is a very good question.

My assumption will be that Oracle will not make any
money from JavaFX at all.

But the calendar says 2013 now.

When SUN started the JavaFX project back in 2007 the world
was different.

Adobe and MS were quite successful with Flex and SL for RIA. And
they were actually selling development tools and server side
stuff for it.

Well - the "HTML5 wave" killed that business opportunity.

The new smart touch screen smartphones and tablets was just
around the corner and a touch screen friendly Java GUI API
could make Java the standard on those and be the foundation
for a lot of business.

Well - Google chose their own Java GUI API for Android, so
no business there either.

But I am sure that back in 2007 then JavaFX looked not only
as a technical interesting project but also as a commercial
interesting project.

Arne

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#25054

"Arne Vajhøj"  wrote in message 
news:521175f9$0$298$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

>> How much do they make from JavaFX?
>
> That is a very good question.
>
> My assumption will be that Oracle will not make any
> money from JavaFX at all.

[snip]

> But I am sure that back in 2007 then JavaFX looked not only
> as a technical interesting project but also as a commercial
> interesting project.

Well I happen to know that Larry Ellison will not invest money into *any* 
project or technology (including the flagship Oracle DB itself) if he 
doesn't think it's going to make him money.  He is a businessman after all.

So, I suspect he sees a way to make money out of JavaFX, at least in the 
longer term.  And I think Oracle makes quite a bit of cash from JavaFX and 
Java in general (currently) in embedded environments where I believe the 
hardware vendors have to sign some license with Oracle.

Given that JavaFX will be the only Java UI on these devices, there may well 
be life In JavaFX yet...

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
[Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me] 

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#25057

On 8/19/2013 5:44 PM, Qu0ll wrote:
snip 8< More platitudes and fawning over JavaFX

>
> So, I suspect he sees a way to make money out of JavaFX, at least in the
> longer term.

Just not Applets though eh???

No businessman in Arne world could ever make money having a 
browser-based architecture that provides full-blown multi-threading TCP 
and UDP sockets (all from non-privileged/signed Applets) Imagine Static 
shared variables across browser tabs - I mean how limited in application 
can you get?

Just look at that Mozilla BaseCamp list and weap over how much Java 
Applets can do out-of-the box now.

The problem is Larry has too much money and is more interested in 
Hawaian pineapples, the death toll from the Americas Cup and his 
bromance with Steve Jobs (the arch-villan and greates killer of Applets) 
to give a shit!

Google know his old and lazy and ripe for the plucking :-(

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#25063

On 8/19/2013 6:17 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 8/19/2013 5:44 PM, Qu0ll wrote:
> snip 8< More platitudes and fawning over JavaFX
>> So, I suspect he sees a way to make money out of JavaFX, at least in the
>> longer term.
>
> Just not Applets though eh???
>
> No businessman in Arne world could ever make money having a
> browser-based architecture that provides full-blown multi-threading TCP
> and UDP sockets (all from non-privileged/signed Applets) Imagine Static
> shared variables across browser tabs - I mean how limited in application
> can you get?

In many ways hype is more important than technological capabilities
for the direction of technology.

Applets do provide value. And with JavaFX they could even look good.

But the "HTML5" hype means that the money is being invested in "HTML5"
solutions.

Arne

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#25059 — [OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability

On 8/19/2013 5:44 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
>[...]
> Well I happen to know that Larry Ellison will not invest money into
> *any* project or technology (including the flagship Oracle DB itself) if
> he doesn't think it's going to make him money.  He is a businessman
> after all.

     Two words: America's Cup.

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid

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#25122 — Re: [OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability

"Eric Sosman"  wrote in message news:kut36c$qh0$1@dont-email.me... 

> Two words: America's Cup.

Two words: Self Promotion.

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
_________________________________________________
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[Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]

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#25062

On 8/19/2013 5:44 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
> "Arne Vajhøj"  wrote in message
> news:521175f9$0$298$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>
>>> How much do they make from JavaFX?
>>
>> That is a very good question.
>>
>> My assumption will be that Oracle will not make any
>> money from JavaFX at all.
>
> [snip]
>
>> But I am sure that back in 2007 then JavaFX looked not only
>> as a technical interesting project but also as a commercial
>> interesting project.
>
> Well I happen to know that Larry Ellison will not invest money into
> *any* project or technology (including the flagship Oracle DB itself) if
> he doesn't think it's going to make him money.  He is a businessman
> after all.
>
> So, I suspect he sees a way to make money out of JavaFX, at least in the
> longer term.  And I think Oracle makes quite a bit of cash from JavaFX
> and Java in general (currently) in embedded environments where I believe
> the hardware vendors have to sign some license with Oracle.

Oracle do make some money from Java in general - ME, SE embedded and
SE business.

But that is peanuts in Oracle context.

And I don't think Swing->JavaFX will make a big difference.

> Given that JavaFX will be the only Java UI on these devices, there may
> well be life In JavaFX yet...

I believe that Java SE Embedded do have Swing.

But I agree that there are still life in JavaFX.

The Swing->JavaFX decision was made years ago and it is not practical
to go back.

Arne

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#25055

On 8/19/2013 9:33 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> Oracle does not make any money from applet technology.
>>
>> How much do they make from JavaFX?
>
> That is a very good question.
>
> My assumption will be that Oracle will not make any
> money from JavaFX at all.
>
> But the calendar says 2013 now.

Hold on Arne! Please put those goal posts down long enough to 
acknowledge that what is to follow is a stream of subjective time-warped 
platitudes that somehow seek to justify any continued investment 
(user-time or Oracle-money) in a product that you personally like - JavaFX.

Conversely you are full of FUD for a much more worthy and feature rich 
architecture that you are less fond of - Applets.

Ok, back to memory lane:-

>
> When SUN started the JavaFX project back in 2007 the world
> was different.
>
> Adobe and MS were quite successful with Flex and SL for RIA. And
> they were actually selling development tools and server side
> stuff for it.
>
> Well - the "HTML5 wave" killed that business opportunity.
>
> The new smart touch screen smartphones and tablets was just
> around the corner and a touch screen friendly Java GUI API
> could make Java the standard on those and be the foundation
> for a lot of business.
>
> Well - Google chose their own Java GUI API for Android, so
> no business there either.
>
> But I am sure that back in 2007 then JavaFX looked not only
> as a technical interesting project but also as a commercial
> interesting project.

And trying to make the OP's selection easier and bring this back 
on-topic that me re-iterate that JavaFX is a dead-end unless it is 2007 
where you live. Actually it was a pile of shite back then too!

This is why no one has done anything with it in 6 years.
>
> Arne
>
>

Cheers Richard Maher
>
>
>

PS. Came across this today following up the Geolocation stuff: -
https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Kilimanjaro

Don't spend a lot of time of on them but it's worth while being aware!

I'm sure you can suck some of your customers in to paying big bickies 
for a dead-end technology for a while just because you're all too afraid 
to leave the warm and fuzzies of a Java UI, but it's "when" not "if".

Now if we can only get rid of that useless prick Larry put in charge of 
Applets then Java may still have a presence on the client!

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#25060

On 8/19/2013 5:56 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 8/19/2013 9:33 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> When SUN started the JavaFX project back in 2007 the world
>> was different.
>>
>> Adobe and MS were quite successful with Flex and SL for RIA. And
>> they were actually selling development tools and server side
>> stuff for it.
>>
>> Well - the "HTML5 wave" killed that business opportunity.
>>
>> The new smart touch screen smartphones and tablets was just
>> around the corner and a touch screen friendly Java GUI API
>> could make Java the standard on those and be the foundation
>> for a lot of business.
>>
>> Well - Google chose their own Java GUI API for Android, so
>> no business there either.
>>
>> But I am sure that back in 2007 then JavaFX looked not only
>> as a technical interesting project but also as a commercial
>> interesting project.
>
> And trying to make the OP's selection easier and bring this back
> on-topic that me re-iterate that JavaFX is a dead-end unless it is 2007
> where you live.

Swing is going to fade away.

So if you need a Java desktop GUI, then JavaFX is the future.

There are just not so many that want a Java desktop GUI.

>               Actually it was a pile of shite back then too!

Actually it was pretty cool too then.

FXScript was a very interesting language.

> This is why no one has done anything with it in 6 years.

There has been done a lot with JavaFX the last two years.

Arne

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#25019

On 8/15/2013 7:28 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> JavaFX support FXML, JavaScript and CSS3.

And up until v2.0 mandate some bollocks proprietary scripting language IIRC?

I wish you why but IMnsHO JavaFX was still-born with Silverlight and 
faces a similar future. Maybe that's why I just saw Larry crying into 
his beer on CBS about those "evil" Google guys. "Boo whoooo, they can't 
just copy Java sniff sniff".

>
> JavaFX support HTML5, Javascript and CSS3 in embedded browser.

What value does it add except letting a bunch of fat middle-aged Java 
programmers pretend that modern GUIs and convergence still involves 
their new-COBOL?

>
>> A mobile browser that supports Applets would be REALLY useful though!
>
> Applets are not a priority any longer.

I've never had to be number 1. Out of the lime-light much has been 
happening.

>
> But you can use JavaFX in applets too!

I'd rather use Python, Ruby etc :-)

Too me Applets are for infrastructure the GUI is HTML5, CSS3, and 
Javascript.

I think I read today that Google has pulled Microsoft's version of 
YouTube because it's not HTML5 only?

>
> :-)
>
> Arne
>

Cheers Richard Maher

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