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| Started by | horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2011-05-20 14:43 -0700 |
| Last post | 2011-05-26 16:37 +0000 |
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tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-20 14:43 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-21 09:57 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 18:27 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2011-05-21 08:56 +0800
Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-20 21:28 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-22 11:11 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-20 18:31 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-21 12:15 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-22 11:15 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-22 14:35 +0100
Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-22 08:12 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 12:26 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-22 20:59 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 22:01 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 14:17 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-22 23:34 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 18:44 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 09:13 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-23 10:37 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-24 20:15 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-05-24 07:04 -0300
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:14 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-24 08:10 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-05-24 16:09 +0300
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-26 11:35 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-05-27 00:13 +0300
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 18:50 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-27 09:55 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-27 11:31 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-28 14:35 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-28 12:17 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 03:26 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> - 2011-06-03 08:19 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 18:29 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-20 16:11 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 20:12 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-21 09:10 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-21 12:55 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-22 05:18 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 08:37 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 05:58 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 12:34 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 18:11 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 22:06 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 20:26 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-05-22 21:31 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 14:14 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:31 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 12:08 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Silvio <silvio@moc.com> - 2011-06-19 14:43 +0200
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:13 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-22 17:39 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-22 15:38 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-22 05:24 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 08:41 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 05:43 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 08:53 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 06:15 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:38 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 12:17 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-24 05:22 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-24 08:38 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-24 06:33 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-25 12:06 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 05:54 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 00:57 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-26 09:04 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 06:12 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-26 09:28 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-26 14:47 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-26 13:51 +0000
Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 07:38 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-26 15:23 +0000
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:10 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:11 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-27 14:47 +0000
Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-24 10:07 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-23 11:27 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 12:23 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:50 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-24 14:45 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Andrew Thompson <andrewthommo@gmail.com> - 2011-05-25 03:46 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:12 +1200
Re: tools for programming applets Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-05-21 09:31 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2011-05-22 08:05 +0800
Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-22 05:30 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 06:05 -0700
Re: tools for programming applets Silvio <silvio@moc.com> - 2011-05-24 12:30 +0200
Re: tools for programming applets Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-26 14:29 -0400
Re: tools for programming applets Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-05-26 16:37 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> |
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| Date | 2011-05-24 14:45 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <irf641$qd6$2@lust.ihug.co.nz> |
| In reply to | #4463 |
In message <3c7d8f50-df8e-4198- a06f-265bd57b9610@s41g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, horos22 wrote: >In message <irc9es$58p$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> In message >> <ad83c954-5365-42cf-bbf6-c482d25c7cb3@r35g2000prj.googlegroups.com>, >> horos22 wrote: >> >>> You've GOT to be kidding me. >> >> Microsoft?? No, YOU’RE the one kidding me. > > 95% of the people running your code are running microsoft browsers and > microsoft java implementations. Do you *not* test your applet against > all of these, especially for gui presentation? I don’t bother with applets, so your question is moot. > Rsync is useless if you aren't running your development client on the > same os as the server ... But why deliberately use a platform that makes development more difficult? Wouldn’t you rather save yourself some work? And what happened to the much-trumpeted Java claim of “write once, run everywhere”? > ... or if you are using licensed code anywhere. All the code I use is “licensed”. Only most of it happens to be Free Software, which means the licence allows free copying.
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| From | Andrew Thompson <andrewthommo@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-25 03:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3ffc84ea-e33b-47c5-8f8d-fd74d91eea3e@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #4463 |
On May 24, 1:50 am, horos22 <ed.pesc...@gmail.com> wrote: >..95% of the people running your code are running microsoft browsers and > microsoft java implementations. .. The last Microsoft 'Java' implementation I am aware of was the MSVM that claimed to support 1.1.4. Sun sued them over it. Sun one. That was all a *long* time ago. Which millennium are you trapped in? -- Andrew T. http://pscode.org/
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> |
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| Date | 2011-05-27 14:12 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <irn19v$b7q$3@lust.ihug.co.nz> |
| In reply to | #4568 |
In message <3ffc84ea-e33b-47c5-8f8d-fd74d91eea3e@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com>, Andrew Thompson wrote: > Which millennium are you trapped in? Funny, in this noisegroup, I get that feeling all the time. :)
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| From | Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-05-21 09:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <82qft6ducn1vhjig0t0fgeper044mq7srj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #4364 |
On Fri, 20 May 2011 14:43:04 -0700 (PDT), horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >I was looking to do some quick java development of applets. Here's my >situation: > >1. I have a static server (ie: that I cannot touch) which serves my >client data (and applets). >2. a bare-bones client programming setup (vim and java compiler) > >What I was hoping to do, therefore, is hijack the applets that are >coming from the server, and replace them with my own, compiled ones, >and hook the browser in such a way that when the applet is asked for, >my applet fires instead (hopefully in debugging mode) using the data from the server as input. > >Surely this is a common enough situation that there are standard >firefox plugins to do this.. > >Or is it? In any case any, help on this would be most appreciated. So you need to set up an alternate website, with your Applets on it. You then need to server some webpages with <APPLET tags that refer to your Applets. It sounds like you want to ignore the original website entirely? no? Perhaps your applets could set some GET requests to the orginal website if they wanted information from it. See http://mindprod.com/products1.html#HTTP -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com How long did it take after the car was invented before owners understood cars would not work unless you regularly changed the oil and the tires? We have gone 33 years and still it is rare to uncover a user who understands computers don't work without regular backups.
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| From | "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-22 08:05 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <ir9k0j$43r$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #4364 |
"horos22" <ed.peschko@gmail.com> wrote in message news:028d2009-98b7-43a3-b02d-83eaa89db79e@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com... > All, > > I was looking to do some quick java development of applets. Here's my > situation: > > 1. I have a static server (ie: that I cannot touch) which serves my > client data (and applets). > 2. a bare-bones client programming setup (vim and java compiler) > > What I was hoping to do, therefore, is hijack the applets that are > coming from the server, and replace them with my own, compiled ones, > and hook the browser in such a way that when the applet is asked for, > my applet fires instead (hopefully in debugging mode) using the data from > the server as input. > > Surely this is a common enough situation that there are standard > firefox plugins to do this.. > > Or is it? In any case any, help on this would be most appreciated. > > Thanks much, > > Ed Hi Ed, Is the Applet codebase URL different the HTTP webserver (even if the point to the same IP). While testing then why not just get whatever clients/users that are involved to put a localhosts entry for the codebase? Regards Richard Maher
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| From | horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-22 05:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <34a39063-043f-4f49-8fd8-944d2d795af5@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #4395 |
On May 21, 5:05 pm, "Richard Maher" <maher...@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote: > "horos22" <ed.pesc...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:028d2009-98b7-43a3-b02d-83eaa89db79e@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > > All, > > > I was looking to do some quick java development of applets. Here's my > > situation: > > > 1. I have a static server (ie: that I cannot touch) which serves my > > client data (and applets). > > 2. a bare-bones client programming setup (vim and java compiler) > > > What I was hoping to do, therefore, is hijack the applets that are > > coming from the server, and replace them with my own, compiled ones, > > and hook the browser in such a way that when the applet is asked for, > > my applet fires instead (hopefully in debugging mode) using the data from > > the server as input. > > > Surely this is a common enough situation that there are standard > > firefox plugins to do this.. > > > Or is it? In any case any, help on this would be most appreciated. > > > Thanks much, > > > Ed > > Hi Ed, > > Is the Applet codebase URL different the HTTP webserver (even if the point > to the same IP). While testing then why not just get whatever clients/users > that are involved to put a localhosts entry for the codebase? > > Regards Richard Maher I guess I could use a little more detail here since I really am not familiar with applet development or programming. Do you have a good pointer to a decent resource on the subject, say for setting this up with apache? My client that I'm going to be working on is totally separate from the server. Hopefully, I'm going to be doing development locally, and then, when done, uploading the code changes to the server. If there is a simple applet directive that I could put in a test page that could take the code from localhost and run it against data that is hosted on the server, then that is exactly what I need. Ed
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| From | markspace <-@.> |
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| Date | 2011-05-22 06:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <irb1nt$8fg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4411 |
On 5/22/2011 5:30 AM, horos22 wrote: > I guess I could use a little more detail here since I really am not > familiar with applet development or programming. What kind of programming are you familiar with? It might help us point out where things are different. > Do you have a good > pointer to a decent resource on the subject, say for setting this up > with apache? Start here, especially the part about deploying an applet: <http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/deployment/applet/> > My client that I'm going to be working on is totally separate from the > server. Hopefully, I'm going to be doing development locally, and > then, when done, uploading the code changes to the server. If there is > a simple applet directive that I could put in a test page that could > take the code from localhost and run it against data that is hosted on > the server, then that is exactly what I need. There really isn't. I need to turn this around and ask: what "data" are you trying to pull from the server? SQL? Raw files? Some other network protocol, SOAP perhaps? Something else entirely? I think we need to get beyond this "simple directive" nonsense and try to deal with the actual problem. Direct routes are often the most simple.
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| From | Silvio <silvio@moc.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-24 12:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <4ddb88aa$0$49180$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #4364 |
On 05/20/2011 11:43 PM, horos22 wrote: > All, > > I was looking to do some quick java development of applets. Here's my > situation: > > 1. I have a static server (ie: that I cannot touch) which serves my > client data (and applets). > 2. a bare-bones client programming setup (vim and java compiler) > > What I was hoping to do, therefore, is hijack the applets that are > coming from the server, and replace them with my own, compiled ones, > and hook the browser in such a way that when the applet is asked for, > my applet fires instead (hopefully in debugging mode) using the data from the server as input. > > Surely this is a common enough situation that there are standard > firefox plugins to do this.. > > Or is it? In any case any, help on this would be most appreciated. > > Thanks much, > > Ed Sounds like a strange request but whatever. Why don't you run a local proxy (apache comes to mind but even Tomcat/Jetty would do) for the site with some special rules to serve the applet from where you have it and to replace the sites DNS with its actual IP. Then map the DNS to localhost in /etc/hosts or /Windows/System32/drivers/etc/hosts. Has worked fine with almost any site for me in the past. Silvio
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| From | Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-26 14:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <irmgi902gdn@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #4521 |
Silvio wrote: > > Why don't you run a local proxy (apache comes to mind but even > Tomcat/Jetty would do) for the site with some special rules to serve the > applet from where you have it and to replace the sites DNS with its > actual IP. Then map the DNS to localhost in /etc/hosts or > /Windows/System32/drivers/etc/hosts. Has worked fine with almost any > site for me in the past. Was this really the only post in this interminable thread to suggest a proxy? To the OP: Look at your problem this way. You want a server you control, so you can test your applet. You want the applet to be able to request resources from that server. You don't want to duplicate the production server. So set up your local server to serve the applet from a local resource, and to proxy everything else from the production server. A server can provide some content without being the origin server for that content. (HTTP specifies a number of proxying modes to solve problems like this; see RFC 2616.) The applet needs non-HTTP resources from the production server? Proxy those as well. There are any number of generic TCP proxy utilities floating around. I often use the TcpTunnel utility from the old Apache Java SOAP toolkit, mostly because I've had it lying around for years and there's been no reason to find or write another one, for this purpose. Personally, I'd go ahead and duplicate the origin server, or a subset of it, because that's usually the best option, for all the reasons that have already been mentioned in the thread. But proxying is a viable alternative. -- Michael Wojcik Micro Focus Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University
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| From | Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> |
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| Date | 2011-05-26 16:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnitt0dm.phi.avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> |
| In reply to | #4364 |
horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> wrote: > I was looking to do some quick java development of applets. Here's my > situation: > 1. I have a static server (ie: that I cannot touch) which serves my > client data (and applets). > 2. a bare-bones client programming setup (vim and java compiler) > What I was hoping to do, therefore, is hijack the applets that are > coming from the server, and replace them with my own, compiled ones, > and hook the browser in such a way that when the applet is asked for, > my applet fires instead (hopefully in debugging mode) using the data > from the server as input. If the static server is *not* using https, you could create some proxy (transparent or not) that would intercept the requests for the applet-code but pass through all the rest. It seemed to me on overreading the thread, that this type of operation was not intended by design, so it's *likely* (but not necessarily) so, that no easier way exists. There *may* even exist ways for an https-site, but I won't delve into that. I might perhaps want to visit the USA some time in future and not get arrested for some DMCA-BS applied to a triviality. It's just, that if some web-developer stumbles over this thread, he should under no circumstances come to believe, that "client side security" with applets was anything else than utter insecurity.
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