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Re: Beginner

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On 07/09/2015 09:43, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 21:44:15 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>
>> I may be somewhat picky.
>>
>> But I don't like it.
>>
>> http://people.cis.ksu.edu/~schmidt/CIS200/ch2V9.html
>>
> Same here, but for slightly different reasons: I don't much like it
> talking about classes, methods, and methods sending messages to each
> other without some explanation of these terms and how they relate to each
> other.
>
> I must also say that I have never liked the 'sending messages' metaphor

'sending messages' is an abstraction at the same level as 'Object'

An Object sends a message to another Object.
That's all it means, how it actually occurs is irrelevant at this level 
of abstraction.

I can't remember having seen any reference in any Java text I have read 
to methods sending messages to one another, a message is a higher level 
abstraction than a method. Talking about methods sending messages to one 
another is a sign of confused thinking.

Saying a method 'calls' another method is fine but that is Java speak 
and has no place in the 'language of OO'

OO terminology when used at the system design level should only use 
abstract notions.

'method, procedure, function' etc have no place in the 'language of OO'


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Laughing Spam Fritter

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Beginner arya.neelan@gmail.com - 2015-08-31 05:39 -0700
  Re: Beginner e.d.programmer@gmail.com - 2015-08-31 06:27 -0700
    Re: Beginner Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 10:08 -0700
      Re: Beginner Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-03 20:04 -0400
  Re: Beginner Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> - 2015-09-02 16:33 -0500
    Re: Beginner Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-03 20:13 -0400
    Re: Beginner Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-03 20:15 -0400
  Re: Beginner Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-03 10:39 +0000
    Re: Beginner Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-09-04 01:16 +1000
      Re: Beginner Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-03 18:50 +0000
        Re: Beginner Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-03 20:11 -0400
          Re: Beginner Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-04 08:38 +0000
            Re: Beginner e.d.programmer@gmail.com - 2015-09-04 05:21 -0700
              Re: Beginner Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-04 09:43 -0700
                Re: Beginner e.d.programmer@gmail.com - 2015-09-04 10:35 -0700
    Re: Beginner Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-03 20:06 -0400
      Re: Beginner Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-04 08:41 +0000
  Re: Beginner "F. Berisha" <fmberisha@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 02:30 +0200
    Re: Beginner Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-06 21:44 -0400
      Re: Beginner Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-06 21:53 -0400
      Re: Beginner Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-07 08:43 +0000
        Re: Beginner Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 13:02 +0100
          Re: Beginner Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-07 11:17 -0400
        Re: Beginner Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-07 11:11 -0400
      Re: Beginner e.d.programmer@gmail.com - 2015-09-08 05:25 -0700

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