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Re: redesign exception

From Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: redesign exception
Date 2014-10-26 18:10 -0400
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On 10/26/2014 3:56 PM, boxzou@gmail.com wrote:
> @Eric,
>
> I don't care about hit counts.  But I do want to draw the attention of Java developers to the deficiency of Java exceptions.
>
>>       But IMHO the O.P. is just trying to generate hit counts for his
>> blog, and/or troll.

     I'm sorry if I have wronged you.  However, no one with any sense of
what is practical would imagine that Java could be changed in such a
fundamental way: Such a change would invalidate all or very nearly all
the existing Java code, and there's a *lot* of existing Java code.  One
might as well suggest improving Java by making integer overflow throw an
exception the way division by zero does: That would be an improvement,
I think (if accompanied by non-overflowing `unsigned' types), but there
is simply no way such a change could be contemplated at this late date.

     If you're interested in designing a language that improves upon Java
you might certainly choose a different scheme for handling exceptional
circumstances.  Note that it would be difficult to make a non-exception
language run on the JVM because the JVM is *required* to throw actual
Java exceptions in certain circumstances, but there might be ways to
intercept those and convert them to your language's preferred form.  Or,
of course, you could use something other than the JVM as your substrate.

     But changing Java so as to invalidate the many millions of lines of
existing code and re-spend the many millions of Flanian Pobble Beads
already invested in developing them?  Not a chance.  No way.  No.

-- 
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid

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redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-25 19:16 -0700
  Re: redesign exception Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-10-26 08:09 +0100
    Re: redesign exception rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2014-10-26 09:15 +0000
      Re: redesign exception Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-10-26 10:36 +0100
      Re: redesign exception Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-10-26 09:23 -0400
        Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-26 12:56 -0700
          Re: redesign exception Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-10-26 18:10 -0400
            Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-26 17:39 -0700
      Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-26 12:06 -0700
        Re: redesign exception Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-10-26 20:41 +0100
    Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-26 12:46 -0700
      Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-26 13:12 -0700
      Re: redesign exception Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2014-10-26 16:50 -0500
        Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-26 17:21 -0700
      Re: redesign exception Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-10-27 01:05 +0000
        Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-26 19:38 -0700
          Re: redesign exception Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2014-10-27 00:13 -0500
            Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-27 04:59 -0700
            Re: redesign exception Marketa Jadalova <m-jadalova3@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 16:55 +0000
              Re: redesign exception Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2014-10-27 12:46 -0500
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-27 15:48 -0700
                Re: redesign exception Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2014-10-27 22:16 -0500
                Re: redesign exception Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-10-27 23:54 +0100
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-27 17:20 -0700
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-28 07:12 -0700
                Re: redesign exception Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-10-29 08:34 +0100
                Re: redesign exception Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-10-29 11:17 +0000
                Re: redesign exception Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-10-29 15:33 +0100
                Re: redesign exception Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2014-10-29 11:35 -0500
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-29 17:51 -0700
                Re: redesign exception Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2014-10-29 20:45 -0500
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-30 04:12 -0700
                Re: redesign exception Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-10-30 12:38 +0100
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-30 06:23 -0700
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-29 17:01 -0700
                Re: redesign exception Marketa Jadalova <m-jadalova3@gmail.com> - 2014-10-29 16:55 +0000
                Re: redesign exception Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-10-29 17:29 +0000
                Re: redesign exception Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-10-29 18:59 +0100
                Re: redesign exception Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-10-29 22:05 +0000
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-29 18:04 -0700
                Re: redesign exception Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2014-10-29 20:56 -0500
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-30 04:19 -0700
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-30 04:27 -0700
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-30 04:35 -0700
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-29 18:01 -0700
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-29 17:00 -0700
                Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-29 16:56 -0700
    Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-26 12:52 -0700
  Re: redesign exception Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-10-27 09:03 +0100
    Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-27 05:06 -0700
      Re: redesign exception Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-10-27 13:32 +0100
        Re: redesign exception boxzou@gmail.com - 2014-10-27 07:01 -0700

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