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On 08/29/2013 11:54 PM, EricF wrote:
> In article <521fc2b1$0$300$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> On 8/29/2013 12:26 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>> Having said that, the whole business of differentiations of the Java
>>> platform is awkward and unfortunate.
>>
>> ..NET has similar (client profile, full profile, CF, SL, PCL, WP, Win8).
>>
>>>                                        In order to do many "standard"
>>> things with Java you actually need Java EE libraries. I don't know the
>>> exact history, but I can see a few marketing dudes at Sun back in the
>>> day embracing the "enterprise" buzzword, and deciding that such and such
>>> APIs were enterprise-y...which is meaningless actually.
>>>
>>> If you want to do serious work with Java you cannot not do Java EE.
>>> Unless you're really niche. And quite frankly, for most Java developers
>>> the amount of Java EE APIs they need to master is a small percentage of
>>> the whole.
>>
>> That was how it was, but in latest versions it seems to me that they
>> have been willing to put more stuff in SE.
>>
>> Arne
>>
> Arved may have been referring to jsp/servlets? I think jdbc has moved to SE.
> Personally I think you can do a lot of serious work without JEE,
> professionally you are likely to need JSP or servlets. (Spring can handle
> much of the JEE functionality.)
>
> Eric
>
Well, partially, Eric. But when you look at all the javax.* APIs, it's 
pretty clear that there's a lot of stuff that no Java app can do without 
using libraries that implement Java EE specs. Not just servlets/JSPs 
either, obviously.

I get the impression that way back in the day some Sun people decided 
that Internet APIs == enterprise. And the marketing folks wanted 
branding. I really don't see the sense of a lot of these distinctions.

AHS

-- 
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that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
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