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On 7/31/2014 12:07 PM, thinbluernime wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:34:54 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 7/25/2014 12:19 AM, thinbluernime wrote:
>> Swing vs JavaFX is the topic and the argument was for exactly that.
>
> So, you're arguing that because Swing's native L&F support is not
> perfect, we should use a widget kit whose native L&F support is
> *nonexistent*?

Yes.

Looking different may be better than looking fake.

> That's like arguing that because a particular SUV is a gas-guzzler you
> should take that road trip out west on a bicycle, rather than get a Prius.

Not comparable.

>>>>> Or i18n via ResourceBundle.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know then JavaFX has fine support for resource bundles.
>>>
>>> I don't see how, since I don't see how FXML could interact meaningfully
>>> with the ResourceBundle class.

 >>> An external representation of the UI in
 >>> some non-Java file is going to either have hardcoded label texts (no
 >>> i18n) or need its own parallel, reinvented-square-wheel way of making
 >>> those able to depend on locale.
 >>
 >>????
 >>
 >> But JavaFX API comes with resource bundle support.
 >>
 >> That is what the second argument in the FXMLLoader constructors is for.
> Meanwhile, though I suppose if FXML can read files it could read bundle
> files, that doesn't get you ListResourceBundles, only
> PropertyResourceBundles.

????

FXMLLoader takes a ResourceBundle as argument. And since both
PropertyResourceBundle and ListResourceBundle extend that, then
it works with both.

That is very basic OO.

>> You did not look much for it?
>
> I've never used FX,

May I suggest that you actually try things before commenting
on them so you have just a basic understanding about what
you are talking about.

>                  but if the UI content (including label text) is in
> FXML source rather than in the Java, it lacks direct access to (at least)
> ListResourceBundle.

Yes, but that is not relevant. The code with a resource bundle process
the FXML. Which you would know if you actually worked with the
technology. Or if you just were able to guess what a FXMLLoader actually
may do.

> Write UI code in Java, write code to localize it in Java, and you have
> ResourceBundle.
>
> Write UI code in language X, write code to localize it in language X, and
> you need something like ResourceBundle to be in language X, unless
> there's callback to Java (other than setting Java methods to be invoked
> as event handlers -- there'd need to be callback during setup as well),
> and then you have callback hell to contend with.

You have never worked with templates before????

You can certainly replace things in a template without having
the template make callbacks to your code.

>>>>> Or proper keyboard focus handling.
>>>>
>>>> "proper" is rather subjective.
>>>
>>> Dialog appears, tab tab tab type enter works is proper. Dialog appears,
>>> you have to click before any keyboard input works is not proper.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> When I make a JavaFX application the I just tab and type - no need
>> to click.
 >>
>> Tested with a few combination sof Java 7 and 8 on Windows and Ubuntu.
>>
>> Obviously I don't know why it is not working for you.
>
> I never used it.

Then maybe it was a bad idea to make the claim.

> It was Stefan Ram that originally made that complaint, in
> <JavaFX-20140713164157@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.java.programmer/
> IlMfy2oz2EE/fIz3iq3eveQJ
>
> . Observations:

> .  - One can use the Swing GUI without the mouse (one can write
> .    into the text field). In order to write into the text field
> .    in the JavaFX GUI, one first has to use the mouse and click
> .    into the text field. The tab key has not that effect.
>
> Are you now calling Stefan Ram a liar?

I don't think Stefan made the claim that JavaFX had a general
problem. He had a problem with a specific JavaFX program and
in his next post he said that he had another JavaFX program
which did not have the problem.

Arne

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