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Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable

Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Date 2016-06-30 07:47 -0700
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Subject Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable
From Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com>

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On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 10:19:42 AM UTC-4, Eric Sosman wrote:
>      Then you must really hate Java SE's classes ...  There are two
> interfaces named Action, two classes and an interface named Binding,
> a class and three interfaces named Attribute, and a class and *four*
> interfaces all named Element. And, of course, many more collisions --
> even UNKNOWN is used twice!

I do, in fact.  I already encountered the collision on at least one of their classes, I had to fully qualify.  There shouldn't be any reason for 2 Action classes.  They should have some sort of difference in meaning they could qualify with a letter or two.  There's really no reason other people use the same names.  Why java.io.File and com.google.api.services.drive.model.File??  Google could've at least named theirs GFile or DFile (D for Drive), somehow unique it.

I put 3 letters in front of all my class names to make them unique.  Our in house API is written to work with our Business BASIC software (see www.basis.com) so they all start with BB, then a third letter for type (a for abstract, i for interface, g for GUI object, r for report object, s for static, etc).

If you use someone else's name, like File, then anyone who sees a reference to it in your class that is not fully qualified must check the import, and if you need to reference both no one could ever know just by looking at the imports.  I think code is more readable if you fully qualify the imports (the .* becomes problematic as well with these name collisions), and name classes something that doesn't sound like a key word and isn't so generic someone else would use the same name.

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missing import java.lang.Comparable Roedy Green <inquiry@mindprod.com> - 2016-06-28 21:34 -0700
  Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-06-29 05:56 +0000
    Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Roedy Green <inquiry@mindprod.com> - 2016-06-28 23:59 -0700
      Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Matthias Wiehl <mw@kwarg.de> - 2016-06-29 09:52 +0200
        Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Roedy Green <inquiry@mindprod.com> - 2016-06-29 01:16 -0700
          Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 06:38 -0700
        Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-30 13:24 +0000
          Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 06:37 -0700
            Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-06-30 10:19 -0400
              Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 07:47 -0700
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-06-30 11:17 -0400
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-30 18:23 +0000
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-06-30 15:24 -0400
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 12:47 -0700
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-06-30 16:38 -0400
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-30 21:09 +0000
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-01 06:45 +0000
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 05:03 -0700
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-03 20:46 +0000
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 15:21 -0700
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-03 21:10 +0000
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 16:08 -0700
                Program proof Mike Amling <mamling@chaff.us> - 2016-07-05 11:23 -0500
                Re: Program proof Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-05 18:08 +0000
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-05 17:23 +0000
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 14:28 -0700
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-07 15:22 +0000
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-07 11:44 -0400
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-07 12:57 -0400
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-07 18:29 +0000
                [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-07 15:48 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-08 08:01 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-08 08:25 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 06:55 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-08 10:16 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 07:35 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-08 18:07 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 12:54 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-08 16:29 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-08 14:06 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-08 20:11 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-15 11:37 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-15 16:36 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-15 15:49 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-15 22:09 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-16 13:04 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-18 13:08 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-18 19:56 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-08 20:59 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 11:57 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-09 09:39 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 14:43 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-09 11:15 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-09 09:46 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 15:21 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-09 11:27 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-15 11:39 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-15 15:38 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-15 15:52 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-15 19:19 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-18 13:10 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-18 16:26 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 13:58 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-18 16:30 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-18 20:24 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 05:14 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-19 20:22 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-19 10:31 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-19 16:37 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-19 14:44 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-19 21:16 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-19 21:54 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-19 20:17 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-20 12:01 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-20 21:28 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-20 16:14 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-19 20:18 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-19 21:33 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-19 21:56 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-19 23:47 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-22 23:31 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-23 10:24 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-23 21:26 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 19:23 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-23 23:08 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-24 10:44 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-24 10:44 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-20 16:04 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 14:51 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-20 22:57 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 11:38 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-21 15:57 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 13:45 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-21 21:00 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 15:28 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-22 19:34 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-22 23:36 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-23 10:25 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-23 10:58 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-23 09:32 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-22 23:34 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-23 10:25 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 17:04 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-24 10:46 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-23 21:23 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-24 10:47 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-22 23:40 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-18 20:02 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-18 20:26 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-18 20:35 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-18 19:59 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-08 23:36 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-08 20:09 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 12:51 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-09 09:15 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 14:30 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-09 09:44 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 14:37 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-09 11:14 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-09 20:09 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-10 01:11 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-09 21:52 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-10 10:34 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-08 21:03 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-08 20:32 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 05:30 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-11 16:26 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-11 13:56 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:59 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-11 15:09 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:44 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-11 17:21 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:56 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:49 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-11 21:00 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-11 22:30 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-11 22:36 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 11:37 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 13:01 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-12 20:31 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-11 22:13 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-08 20:18 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 15:14 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-08 17:59 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-07-08 14:34 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 15:18 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-08 23:50 +0000
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 13:18 -0700
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-07 16:59 -0400
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 15:05 -0700
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-08 19:51 -0400
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-07 17:07 -0400
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-30 20:44 +0000
              Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-07-07 16:56 -0400
            Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2016-06-30 08:32 -0700
              Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 08:59 -0700
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2016-06-30 09:06 -0700
                Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 09:35 -0700
              Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 11:18 -0700
            Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-07-03 20:57 +0000

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