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| Started by | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-10-13 23:18 -0500 |
| Last post | 2026-11-02 10:30 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 508 — 47 participants |
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“The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 23:18 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 18:30 +0800
Transpiling from Pascal to Rust (was: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us") ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-14 11:35 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "De ongekruisigde ds." <ongekruisigde-ds@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 11:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:59 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-14 07:35 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 11:57 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 13:07 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-14 14:04 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:34 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 05:55 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-14 22:11 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 20:42 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 21:43 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-15 11:22 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-15 10:40 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-18 09:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-18 10:34 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 06:57 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 15:44 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 20:09 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 16:10 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:08 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 17:10 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:57 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 05:28 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-20 18:46 +1300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 13:20 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:14 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 14:22 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:29 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:06 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:20 +0000
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:54 +0100
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-11-02 11:11 +0100
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:06 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:32 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-21 03:31 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 04:31 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-10-21 10:41 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-21 14:53 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2026-10-21 15:57 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 16:02 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 11:05 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 20:07 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:22 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-22 04:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:37 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 12:17 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:36 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:21 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:40 -0400
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:58 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 19:04 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 19:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:00 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:18 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:35 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:09 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-20 23:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:49 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:15 +0100
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 20:49 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:36 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-21 16:11 +1300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 00:48 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 09:39 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:51 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 15:50 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 16:41 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:48 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:48 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 17:15 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 17:24 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 20:50 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:06 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:47 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 11:06 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 23:10 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 12:29 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 17:50 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 14:12 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:51 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-22 12:19 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:01 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:15 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:16 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:06 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:32 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:09 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:02 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:36 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:47 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
Re: �The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-25 08:11 +0000
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-25 09:30 +0000
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:37 -0700
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 -0700
Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-26 07:59 +0000
Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 10:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:30 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:50 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:18 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:49 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:59 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:20 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:53 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-24 12:07 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-10-25 08:22 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:32 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 08:10 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 13:58 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 19:06 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:07 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 22:54 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:47 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-26 08:29 +1100
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-10-25 20:10 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2026-10-25 01:03 +1100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 17:08 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:01 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:02 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:57 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 23:31 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 17:04 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:44 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:04 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:43 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:48 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:05 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:42 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:18 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:57 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-23 18:24 +0000
Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-24 16:12 +1300
Re: Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:22 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:40 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 18:50 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:56 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:27 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:36 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 19:20 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 17:57 +0200
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:02 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 20:26 +0200
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:48 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 19:01 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:50 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 16:02 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 16:25 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 22:01 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:28 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 10:21 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:49 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 07:58 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:06 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:56 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 17:15 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 16:22 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:03 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:58 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:06 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:45 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:21 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-24 14:25 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 14:51 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:55 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:07 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 07:26 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:57 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:34 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:19 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:01 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:03 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:59 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:01 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 09:47 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:04 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:19 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 12:49 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:21 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:09 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Harold Stevens <wookie@bookworm.localdomain> - 2026-10-26 15:31 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:16 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:08 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 22:05 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:16 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:21 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 16:41 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 12:17 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 21:24 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 01:11 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 00:28 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:59 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:15 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:29 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:18 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 09:50 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 16:58 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 15:32 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:31 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:41 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:34 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:41 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:06 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2026-10-25 10:19 -0700
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:03 -0400
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:21 -0600
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:26 +0100
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:29 -0600
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:59 +0100
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-26 09:43 +1300
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 19:54 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:13 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:17 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:14 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:51 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:04 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:06 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 21:47 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:09 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 23:07 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:26 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 00:54 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 10:59 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 15:23 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 16:07 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-30 20:37 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 22:35 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 05:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:47 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-01 21:59 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:43 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:48 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 11:24 +0100
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:24 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 23:53 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-06 15:38 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-06 16:39 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-02 23:46 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:02 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:03 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-03 21:51 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-03 13:10 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:00 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:59 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:22 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 10:56 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 19:53 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-11-04 14:17 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:24 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:06 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:09 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:11 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 19:22 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:45 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:38 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:11 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:03 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:44 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:34 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:14 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:34 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:04 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:45 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:33 -0800
Threads and processes (was: Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-25 23:48 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:56 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:22 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:59 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-26 14:41 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 16:16 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:12 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:40 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:44 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:58 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:05 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:06 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 00:06 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 22:39 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-29 15:13 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:10 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 11:05 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 06:17 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:54 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:05 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 10:45 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:44 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-27 09:06 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-27 10:22 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-27 10:40 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 15:03 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:34 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:56 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:20 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:24 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:01 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:03 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:12 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:31 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:22 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:02 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 13:10 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-27 08:43 +1300
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:57 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 08:39 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:20 -0700
Threads and processes (Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-26 19:14 -0700
Re: Threads and processes (Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 06:08 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:51 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:44 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:41 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:21 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 22:31 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:27 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:48 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:56 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:30 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:57 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:34 +0200
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 10:11 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:55 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:38 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:55 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:46 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:58 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:00 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:39 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:51 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 05:56 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:36 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-23 21:00 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:14 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:49 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-25 16:31 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-25 20:07 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:36 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:02 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:14 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:22 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:15 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 18:15 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:10 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-22 09:20 +0200
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:58 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:52 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:38 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:11 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:29 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:42 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 07:55 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 08:05 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:41 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:40 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:23 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:53 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-21 13:27 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:24 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:14 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 01:16 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 02:00 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 02:17 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 03:35 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:50 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:56 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:34 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 07:31 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 16:40 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 11:18 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 04:10 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 21:21 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-23 05:43 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:29 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 04:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 05:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 19:38 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:19 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-22 07:26 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:19 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 22:29 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:45 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:57 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:43 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:50 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:43 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:29 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:02 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:19 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:56 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:42 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:26 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:27 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:57 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:09 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:28 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:43 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:23 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:46 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:51 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:29 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:43 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:00 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 16:16 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 00:42 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:11 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:39 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:26 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:47 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 11:00 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 09:41 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 18:36 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:48 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 22:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 21:35 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-28 01:43 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 22:18 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 19:28 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:16 -0700
Re: Structured Programming (was Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us”) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 23:38 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:21 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:40 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:29 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:33 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:53 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 22:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:42 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 16:06 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-26 22:29 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:58 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:46 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 03:46 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:51 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 06:39 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:54 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 01:57 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:10 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:20 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 21:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:26 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:35 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:30 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:21 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 17:03 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-19 16:26 -0600
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 19:01 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 13:09 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-10-14 08:52 -0400
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 06:15 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 14:26 -0700
Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2026-10-15 14:56 +0000
Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 14:07 -0500
Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-15 19:18 +0000
Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 15:02 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-15 11:05 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 14:13 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> - 2026-10-15 20:35 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 00:27 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" John Smith <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 05:04 +0000
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| From | boltar@caprica.universe |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 08:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bf4fp$2esrr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126828 |
On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 22:48:29 +0300 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> gabbled: >On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:51:31 -0000 (UTC) >boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >> >I agree that the work for a CS degree is useful. If nothing else I >> >understand more now. >> >> Most of us have a CS degree. > >I don't have it. >How do you know about most? Oh I dunno, maybe 30 years in the industry working with probably hundreds of different programmers.
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| From | Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:42 +0300 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <20261023114238.000042ff@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #126856 |
On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:05:13 -0000 (UTC) boltar@caprica.universe wrote: > On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 22:48:29 +0300 > Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> gabbled: > >On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:51:31 -0000 (UTC) > >boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: > >> >I agree that the work for a CS degree is useful. If nothing else > >> >I understand more now. > >> > >> Most of us have a CS degree. > > > >I don't have it. > >How do you know about most? > > Oh I dunno, maybe 30 years in the industry working with probably > hundreds of different programmers. > My experience in industry beats yours by few years. And my statistics differ - CS graduates are not majority of computer programmers. At best, they are plurality. Regardless, the point was not industry, but audience of five particular newsgroups.
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| From | boltar@caprica.universe |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 09:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bf8og$2f10p$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126863 |
On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 11:42:38 +0300 Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> gabbled: >On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:05:13 -0000 (UTC) >boltar@caprica.universe wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 22:48:29 +0300 >> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> gabbled: >> >On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:51:31 -0000 (UTC) >> >boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >> >> >I agree that the work for a CS degree is useful. If nothing else >> >> >I understand more now. >> >> >> >> Most of us have a CS degree. >> > >> >I don't have it. >> >How do you know about most? >> >> Oh I dunno, maybe 30 years in the industry working with probably >> hundreds of different programmers. >> > >My experience in industry beats yours by few years. >And my statistics differ - CS graduates are not majority of computer >programmers. At best, they are plurality. >Regardless, the point was not industry, but audience of five particular >newsgroups. Well, the majority of people in programming have some kind of STEM degree, not necessarily CS. For example if you can do electronic engineering or advance maths then programming concepts probably arn't going to be a big deal for you though I have seen plenty of code written by engineers and while it works it tends to be messy. More a case of get the job done fast so we can get on with the real work rather than create something efficient and maintainable.
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| From | Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 12:57 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bg3md$1vo80$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126867 |
On 10/23/2026 5:18 AM, boltar@caprica.universe wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 11:42:38 +0300 > Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> gabbled: >> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:05:13 -0000 (UTC) >> boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 22:48:29 +0300 >>> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> gabbled: >>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:51:31 -0000 (UTC) >>>> boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >>>>>> I agree that the work for a CS degree is useful. If nothing else >>>>>> I understand more now. >>>>> >>>>> Most of us have a CS degree. >>>> >>>> I don't have it. >>>> How do you know about most? >>> >>> Oh I dunno, maybe 30 years in the industry working with probably >>> hundreds of different programmers. >>> >> >> My experience in industry beats yours by few years. >> And my statistics differ - CS graduates are not majority of computer >> programmers. At best, they are plurality. >> Regardless, the point was not industry, but audience of five particular >> newsgroups. > > Well, the majority of people in programming have some kind of STEM degree, > not necessarily CS. For example if you can do electronic engineering or > advance maths then programming concepts probably arn't going to be a big deal > for you though I have seen plenty of code written by engineers and while it > works it tends to be messy. More a case of get the job done fast so we can > get on with the real work rather than create something efficient and > maintainable. > I have a degree in Biochemistry, and spent 5 year in a medical research lab being professionally unpleasant to rats before switch careers to software. It helped that at that time (early 80s) almost no one had a CS degree. My wife never finished college, but had a very successful programming career regardless. pt
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 18:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <9DNCS.29$tU9b.4@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #126879 |
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes: >On 10/23/2026 5:18 AM, boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 11:42:38 +0300 >> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> gabbled: >>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:05:13 -0000 (UTC) >>> boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 22:48:29 +0300 >>>> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> gabbled: >>>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:51:31 -0000 (UTC) >>>>> boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >>>>>>> I agree that the work for a CS degree is useful. If nothing else >>>>>>> I understand more now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most of us have a CS degree. >>>>> >>>>> I don't have it. >>>>> How do you know about most? >>>> >>>> Oh I dunno, maybe 30 years in the industry working with probably >>>> hundreds of different programmers. >>>> >>> >>> My experience in industry beats yours by few years. >>> And my statistics differ - CS graduates are not majority of computer >>> programmers. At best, they are plurality. >>> Regardless, the point was not industry, but audience of five particular >>> newsgroups. >> >> Well, the majority of people in programming have some kind of STEM degree, >> not necessarily CS. For example if you can do electronic engineering or >> advance maths then programming concepts probably arn't going to be a big deal >> for you though I have seen plenty of code written by engineers and while it >> works it tends to be messy. More a case of get the job done fast so we can >> get on with the real work rather than create something efficient and >> maintainable. >> > >I have a degree in Biochemistry, and spent 5 year in a medical research >lab being professionally unpleasant to rats before switch careers to >software. > >It helped that at that time (early 80s) almost no one had a CS degree. I got my BSCS in 1983 (which included two years of postgrad CS classes[*]). Never was laid off, and got to work on very advanced projects for the next forty-plus years, many of which leveraged the postgrad coursework (mainframe OS, crypto, distributed systems, MPP systems, virtual machines, etc). [*] three years learning the PDP-8 and HP-3000 architectures and associated languages (self-taught) during High School resulted in blowing through the undergraduate CS requirements by the end of my sophmore year. The postgrad classes were particularly useful, as they were taught from contemporary journal articles (Lamport, Diffie-Hellman, RSA, Hoare (CSP), et alia). Most of my age-mate colleagues at Burroughs Pasadena plant in the 1980s also had CS or EE/CS degrees (mostly from midwestern colleges).
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| From | Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-24 16:12 +1300 |
| Subject | Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. |
| Message-ID | <11bh7od$2c5ks$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126879 |
Why does Mozilla Firefox update itself just about every week? I use Firefox because it came installed with the Linux version I use. The most recent update now requires me to sign in with my Firefox account address ...@yahooxtra that I lost without warning over ten years ago when Yahoo and Xtra parted company and my address became ...@xtra.co.nz Google Chrome has over 60% of the market. Is there any reason why I shouldn't change to Chrome? Why does the Freedesktop Platform replace everything, (999 MB) every time Calibre is updated? How do I find out if this Platform services anything other than Calibre on my desktop? I can't think of any reason not to update Calibre using Calibre itself when it advises of updates.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-24 15:22 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. |
| Message-ID | <S0ZCS.4304$m%V5.4195@fx09.ams4> |
| In reply to | #126928 |
On 10/24/2026 11:12 AM, Titus G wrote: > Why does Mozilla Firefox update itself just about every week? There was an emergency Firefox update a few days ago, I believe, because of the e-something-or-other in India screwed up root key generation for their certificate authority. You can read the details at Ars Technica or elsewhere. https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/10/disgraced-emudhra-drops-out-of-tls-business-following-certificate-debacle/ One of the keys was literally 4, according to the article. I wonder if they threw a six sided die? I cannot help with your Firefox account, other than say I am not using one yet, so there may still be a way to bypass the need. However, I cannot say how since I don't care about the Firefox user interface after they started to move everything around all the time. If you bring back Netscape 7 let me know. Best wishes, and happy browser wars! -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 17:40 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bgk8u$26oa1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126863 |
Michael S wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 08:05:13 -0000 (UTC) > boltar@caprica.universe wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 22:48:29 +0300 >> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> gabbled: >>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:51:31 -0000 (UTC) >>> boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >>>>> I agree that the work for a CS degree is useful. If nothing else >>>>> I understand more now. >>>> >>>> Most of us have a CS degree. >>> >>> I don't have it. >>> How do you know about most? >> >> Oh I dunno, maybe 30 years in the industry working with probably >> hundreds of different programmers. >> > > My experience in industry beats yours by few years. > And my statistics differ - CS graduates are not majority of computer > programmers. In the 70s and early 80s there was little demand for people with graduate degrees in physics. Most of my fellow students went on to work in computer science or drove taxis when their postdoctoral positions expired. I am a lousy driver and so-so programmer (at best) so I was forced to stick with it. William Hyde
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 18:50 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bgocj$28478$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126913 |
On 2026-10-23 17:40, William Hyde wrote: > Michael S wrote: ...>> My experience in industry beats yours by few years. >> And my statistics differ - CS graduates are not majority of computer >> programmers. > > In the 70s and early 80s there was little demand for people with > graduate degrees in physics. Most of my fellow students went on to work > in computer science or drove taxis when their postdoctoral positions > expired. > > I am a lousy driver and so-so programmer (at best) so I was forced to > stick with it. I studied to be a physicist, got a BS from Caltech, and did postgraduate work at Cambridge. I reached that point in the 90s. I learned computer programming only with the intent of using it as a tool in support of my physics. That idea foundered on two rocks: while I am very good at understanding advanced physics, I'm not particularly good at the practicalities of experimental physics, and my imagination isn't good enough to make a good theoretical physicist. I ended up being a programmer who specialized in scientific programming, rather than a scientist who uses computer programs.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 16:56 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bgs7c$299in$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126919 |
On 10/23/2026 3:50 PM, James Kuyper wrote: > On 2026-10-23 17:40, William Hyde wrote: >> Michael S wrote: > ...>> My experience in industry beats yours by few years. >>> And my statistics differ - CS graduates are not majority of computer >>> programmers. >> >> In the 70s and early 80s there was little demand for people with >> graduate degrees in physics. Most of my fellow students went on to work >> in computer science or drove taxis when their postdoctoral positions >> expired. >> >> I am a lousy driver and so-so programmer (at best) so I was forced to >> stick with it. > I studied to be a physicist, got a BS from Caltech, and did postgraduate > work at Cambridge. I reached that point in the 90s. I learned computer > programming only with the intent of using it as a tool in support of my > physics. That idea foundered on two rocks: while I am very good at > understanding advanced physics, I'm not particularly good at the > practicalities of experimental physics, and my imagination isn't good > enough to make a good theoretical physicist. I ended up being a > programmer who specialized in scientific programming, rather than a > scientist who uses computer programs. Sounds good! When I got into fractals and vector fields back in 2010'ish, I started getting really happy. It was funner than lock/wait free systems stuff. Here is an older work of mine from 12 years ago: https://youtu.be/D9XBDNVTlFE My vector field work is neat. It can be used for different things. It can use real sensor data.
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| From | Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 16:27 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bdrk6$16llb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126817 |
On 10/22/2026 10:51 AM, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 14:12:47 -0700 > Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: >> On 10/21/26 10:50, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 11:06:19 -0400 (EDT) >>> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>>> In article <11b9qna$pqb8$1@dont-email.me>, >>>> <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >>>>>> And people /do/ use concepts, even if you do not. >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming >>>>> fucking >>>>> about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer >>>>> trying to >>>>> solve a problem. >>>> >>>> I kind of thought that way once. Then I worked with someone who >>>> decided >>>> to solve a problem that was NP-hard. I mentioned to him, "you know >>>> this is >>>> NP-hard, you'll never make it work for a reasonable number of elements" >>>> but he was convinced there was a solution. He worked on it for >>>> about a year >> >>>> before getting fired. >>> >>> I've no idea what point you're trying to make there. >> >> He's trying to say that his university CS work paid off. >> >> I agree that the work for a CS degree is useful. If nothing else I >> understand more now. > > Most of us have a CS degree. But then we go out into the real world, get a > job and find out what real programming on real products entails, not a load > of virtual academic naval gazing. That's new. When I started programming professionally, CS degrees were rare as hen's teeth. At the Wall Street bank where I worked, we did get one employee with a CS degree, of which he was extremely proud. He lasted 6 months before being laid off. pt
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 15:36 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bds53$16vo8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126817 |
On 10/22/2026 9:51 AM, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 14:12:47 -0700 > Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: >> On 10/21/26 10:50, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 11:06:19 -0400 (EDT) >>> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>>> In article <11b9qna$pqb8$1@dont-email.me>, >>>> <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >>>>>> And people /do/ use concepts, even if you do not. >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming >>>>> fucking >>>>> about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer >>>>> trying to >>>>> solve a problem. >>>> >>>> I kind of thought that way once. Then I worked with someone who >>>> decided >>>> to solve a problem that was NP-hard. I mentioned to him, "you know >>>> this is >>>> NP-hard, you'll never make it work for a reasonable number of elements" >>>> but he was convinced there was a solution. He worked on it for >>>> about a year >> >>>> before getting fired. >>> >>> I've no idea what point you're trying to make there. >> >> He's trying to say that his university CS work paid off. >> >> I agree that the work for a CS degree is useful. If nothing else I >> understand more now. > > Most of us have a CS degree. But then we go out into the real world, get a > job and find out what real programming on real products entails, not a load > of virtual academic naval gazing. My bachelor degree is in Mechanical Engineering from TAMU. I started working for my father's engineering software company writing Fortran in 1975 when I was 14. I tested out of the Fortran courses at TAMU and did take a course in IBM 370 assembly language programming to see what assembly language was about. Of course I never took programming courses in Algorithms or Compiler Design. Lynn
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 19:20 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bbhca$nut$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #126779 |
In article <11bau11$29ugh$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote: >On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 11:06:19 -0400 (EDT) >kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>In article <11b9qna$pqb8$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote: >>>David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >>>>And people /do/ use concepts, even if you do not. >>> >>>Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming fucking >>>about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer trying to >>>solve a problem. >> >>I kind of thought that way once. Then I worked with someone who decided >>to solve a problem that was NP-hard. I mentioned to him, "you know this is >>NP-hard, you'll never make it work for a reasonable number of elements" >>but he was convinced there was a solution. He worked on it for about a year >>before getting fired. > >I've no idea what point you're trying to make there. That knowing algorithm analysis has a valid use in the real world. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 17:57 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bandf$1042$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126763 |
On 21/10/2026 09:47, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 20:50:58 +0200 > David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >> On 20/10/2026 19:24, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >>> If C/C++ had multi level break and continue keywords goto would almost >>> never be needed**. There's no reason they can't be added - along with >>> a lot >> of >>> other useful but basic fatures (eg non POD switch, native concatting >>> numbers >> to >>> std::string without calling to_string) - but I guess the committee >>> are too >> busy >>> circle jerking with esoteric crap no one will ever use (eg concepts) to >> bother. >>> >> >> Multi-level break and continue (named loops) is on its way to C++, and >> will almost certainly be accepted sooner or later (since it is already >> in the draft of the next C standard): > > They should have been added 30 years ago. > That's your opinion, so I won't argue with it. I haven't felt the need of them myself, but I appreciate that some people expect to find them useful. They are now in the draft C2y, and implemented in gcc. It is likely (though not guaranteed) that they will make it to C++ too. Wishing they had been added 30 years ago does nothing - adding your voice of support in the C++ standards mailing lists, or asking gcc to add it as an extension in C++ might be more useful. >> And people /do/ use concepts, even if you do not. > > Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming fucking > about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer trying to > solve a problem. I use them in my code. I am not alone in that. You are using them too, if you are using a relatively modern C++ compiler - they are used in modern C++ standard library implementations. It's okay to consider them as "advanced", or something that "ordinary" programmers don't need - there's lots of stuff in C++ that most people don't need, but which exists so that it's easier to write efficient libraries that "ordinary" programmers /do/ use. > >> You might want to do some research before insulting the people who are >> actually doing the work in driving languages forward. > > Driving it forward into a ditch. The language is already so needlessly > complicated that students just swerve it for more user friendly ones, > mainly > Python. And Rust is already nudging C aside. If they ever add a decent > object model to it then C++ will be next in the firing line. > > If I was starting out today in IT I wouldn't touch C++ with the proverbial > barge pole. > Ok. Again, that's your opinion.
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| From | boltar@battlestar.co.uk |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 18:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11baun8$29v7a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126776 |
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 17:57:35 +0200 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >On 21/10/2026 09:47, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >> They should have been added 30 years ago. >> > >That's your opinion, so I won't argue with it. I haven't felt the need >of them myself, but I appreciate that some people expect to find them So you've never had to jump out of deeply nested loops? Are you the "hello world" guy? >Wishing they had been added 30 years ago does nothing - adding your >voice of support in the C++ standards mailing lists, or asking gcc to >add it as an extension in C++ might be more useful. Its unlikely any compiler authors would add an extension that fundamentally changes the core flow of control without it being part of the standard. >> Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming fucking >> about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer trying to >> solve a problem. > >I use them in my code. I am not alone in that. So fill us in on exactly what problem they solve because I've yet to see any use case that couldn't have been done with template specialisation, conditionals and typeid(). But I guess if you like yet more obtuse syntax that makes compilers even more bloated and bug prone then I'm sure they're a winner. >It's okay to consider them as "advanced", or something that "ordinary" >programmers don't need - there's lots of stuff in C++ that most people >don't need, but which exists so that it's easier to write efficient >libraries that "ordinary" programmers /do/ use. As I've already pointed out - there are far more mundane features that your average programmer WOULD use than the commitee can't be bothered to add probably because there's less peer kudos on that kind of thing than a load of highbrow bullshit that looks cool on a CS lecture whiteboard. >> Driving it forward into a ditch. The language is already so needlessly >> complicated that students just swerve it for more user friendly ones, >> mainly >> Python. And Rust is already nudging C aside. If they ever add a decent >> object model to it then C++ will be next in the firing line. >> >> If I was starting out today in IT I wouldn't touch C++ with the proverbial >> barge pole. >> > >Ok. Again, that's your opinion. Take a look around you. How many new startups are recruiting C++ devs?
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 20:26 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bb04l$68pg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126780 |
On 21/10/2026 20:02, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 17:57:35 +0200 > David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >> On 21/10/2026 09:47, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >>> They should have been added 30 years ago. >>> >> >> That's your opinion, so I won't argue with it. I haven't felt the >> need of them myself, but I appreciate that some people expect to find >> them > > So you've never had to jump out of deeply nested loops? Are you the > "hello world" guy? No, and no. There are plenty of ways to handle getting out of nested control structures. I can see why some people would like labelled loops and switches, and to be able to break or continue on those labels, but it simply hasn't been a problem for me. Alternatives like return from the function, or extra flag variables have been fine (the compiler turns the flag variables into jumps). It is quite possible that I have written code where I would have used multi-level breaks if they had been available at the time, but that's quite different from feeling they were missing from the language or that they would have been a much better solution. > >> Wishing they had been added 30 years ago does nothing - adding your >> voice of support in the C++ standards mailing lists, or asking gcc to >> add it as an extension in C++ might be more useful. > > Its unlikely any compiler authors would add an extension that fundamentally > changes the core flow of control without it being part of the standard. > Don't exaggerate. It's a minor feature, with zero cost - it's a neater way to write "goto end_of_loop". >>> Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming >>> fucking >>> about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer >>> trying to >>> solve a problem. >> >> I use them in my code. I am not alone in that. > > So fill us in on exactly what problem they solve because I've yet to see > any use case that couldn't have been done with template specialisation, > conditionals and typeid(). But I guess if you like yet more obtuse syntax > that makes compilers even more bloated and bug prone then I'm sure they're > a winner. I haven't used them in any situation where they were /needed/, but I have used them where they make code neater and clearer. A lot of situations where you use concepts could be handled by a mess of enable_if's - but concepts are a better way to write the code. > >> It's okay to consider them as "advanced", or something that "ordinary" >> programmers don't need - there's lots of stuff in C++ that most people >> don't need, but which exists so that it's easier to write efficient >> libraries that "ordinary" programmers /do/ use. > > As I've already pointed out - there are far more mundane features that > your average programmer WOULD use than the commitee can't be bothered to > add probably because there's less peer kudos on that kind of thing than a > load of highbrow bullshit that looks cool on a CS lecture whiteboard. You are clearly have a lot of pent-up anger and frustration about something, since you haven't the faintest clue as to who the standards committee are, what they do, how they do it, and why they do it. (Here's a clue - most are C++ /users/, some are C++ compiler or standard library implementers. They are not academics.) > >>> Driving it forward into a ditch. The language is already so needlessly >>> complicated that students just swerve it for more user friendly ones, >>> mainly >>> Python. And Rust is already nudging C aside. If they ever add a >>> decent object model to it then C++ will be next in the firing line. >>> >>> If I was starting out today in IT I wouldn't touch C++ with the >>> proverbial >>> barge pole. >>> >> >> Ok. Again, that's your opinion. > > Take a look around you. How many new startups are recruiting C++ devs? > We see it all the time. Of course, different programming fields want different languages - C++ is suitable for some things, and less so for other things. There is no one language to fit all usage. There's plenty I don't like about C++ too. But I don't have some weird conspiracy theory about how it is being destroyed by some ivory tower academics that want C++ to be hard so that they can look smart, or whatever your delusions are.
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| From | boltar@battlestar.co.uk |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 18:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bb1da$qfn9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126781 |
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 20:26:29 +0200 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >On 21/10/2026 20:02, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >> Take a look around you. How many new startups are recruiting C++ devs? >> > >We see it all the time. Of course, different programming fields want >different languages - C++ is suitable for some things, and less so for >other things. There is no one language to fit all usage. > >There's plenty I don't like about C++ too. But I don't have some weird >conspiracy theory about how it is being destroyed by some ivory tower >academics that want C++ to be hard so that they can look smart, or >whatever your delusions are. Not sure why you think its conspiracy anything. I use the language on a daily basis and everytime a new version comes out I hope they've added something useful but since 2014 its been a law of diminishing returns. Plus there's unexplained omissions - eg threads have been part of the core language since 2011. Great, but what about processes? When do we get them? Sure, I could just use fork() but then I could also just use pthread_create() too.
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 19:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bb26i$1qs$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #126782 |
In article <11bb1da$qfn9$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote: >On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 20:26:29 +0200 >David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >>On 21/10/2026 20:02, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote: >>> Take a look around you. How many new startups are recruiting C++ devs? >>> >> >>We see it all the time. Of course, different programming fields want >>different languages - C++ is suitable for some things, and less so for >>other things. There is no one language to fit all usage. >> >>There's plenty I don't like about C++ too. But I don't have some weird >>conspiracy theory about how it is being destroyed by some ivory tower >>academics that want C++ to be hard so that they can look smart, or >>whatever your delusions are. > >Not sure why you think its conspiracy anything. I use the language on a >daily basis and everytime a new version comes out I hope they've added >something useful but since 2014 its been a law of diminishing returns. >Plus there's unexplained omissions - eg threads have been part of the core >language since 2011. Great, but what about processes? When do we get them? >Sure, I could just use fork() but then I could also just use pthread_create() >too. One can implement a pretty reasonable threads library given the virtual machine model of standard C or C++. Processes? With their own address spaces, credentials, resource limits, IPC mechanisms, potentially running different programs, and so on? Not so much. You need an operating system for that, son. - Dan C.
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| From | boltar@battlestar.co.uk |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 14:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bd7rg$2cvfs$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #126783 |
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:01:38 -0000 (UTC) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) wrote: >In article <11bb1da$qfn9$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote: >>Not sure why you think its conspiracy anything. I use the language on a >>daily basis and everytime a new version comes out I hope they've added >>something useful but since 2014 its been a law of diminishing returns. >>Plus there's unexplained omissions - eg threads have been part of the core >>language since 2011. Great, but what about processes? When do we get them? >>Sure, I could just use fork() but then I could also just use pthread_create() >>too. > >One can implement a pretty reasonable threads library given the >virtual machine model of standard C or C++. Processes? With Virtual machine? Wrong language , comp.lang.java is that way ---> >their own address spaces, credentials, resource limits, IPC >mechanisms, potentially running different programs, and so on? > >Not so much. You need an operating system for that, son. You need an OS to do threading properly too. Theres a reason green threads in java were a joke.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 16:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <vsqCS.2$wYWa.0@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #126816 |
boltar@battlestar.co.uk writes:
>On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:01:38 -0000 (UTC)
>cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) wrote:
>>In article <11bb1da$qfn9$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Not sure why you think its conspiracy anything. I use the language on a
>>>daily basis and everytime a new version comes out I hope they've added
>>>something useful but since 2014 its been a law of diminishing returns.
>>>Plus there's unexplained omissions - eg threads have been part of the core
>>>language since 2011. Great, but what about processes? When do we get them?
>>>Sure, I could just use fork() but then I could also just use pthread_create()
>>>too.
>>
>>One can implement a pretty reasonable threads library given the
>>virtual machine model of standard C or C++. Processes? With
>
>Virtual machine? Wrong language , comp.lang.java is that way --->
The C/C++ "Virtual Machine Model" as described in the language
specifications is an apple.
A virtual machine (vmware, kvm, xen, et alia) is an orange.
assert(apples != oranges);
>
>>their own address spaces, credentials, resource limits, IPC
>>mechanisms, potentially running different programs, and so on?
>>
>>Not so much. You need an operating system for that, son.
>
>You need an OS to do threading properly too. Theres a reason green threads
>in java were a joke.
There have been, in the past, threading models that support both
hardware threads and pure software threads (e.g. SVR4.2ES/MP)
in a single application. It was not a joke then, it's not a joke now.
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