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| Started by | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| First post | 2014-06-15 07:06 -0700 |
| Last post | 2014-08-12 03:51 -0700 |
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FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-15 07:06 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-15 08:48 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-06-15 23:43 +0100
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-15 19:44 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-16 02:21 +0200
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-06-16 09:26 +0100
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-17 04:06 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-15 19:39 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-15 23:01 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-17 09:27 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-17 20:12 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-17 21:15 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-17 22:34 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-17 23:11 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-18 16:57 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-20 05:03 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 14:56 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-20 17:03 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 17:53 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-21 10:57 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 11:06 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-21 13:30 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 11:58 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-21 14:22 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-21 20:13 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 21:54 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-21 22:31 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-22 05:31 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 07:04 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-22 18:02 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-23 02:53 +0200
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-22 20:29 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-22 13:40 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-22 12:08 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX november.nihal@gmail.com - 2014-06-22 16:03 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-22 20:30 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-26 15:17 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 15:51 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-26 22:49 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 07:32 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-27 23:01 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 06:59 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 08:07 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 08:34 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-28 07:23 -1000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-28 22:46 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-07-27 02:06 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-28 07:31 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-07-28 11:23 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-28 19:21 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-28 20:59 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-07-29 11:10 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-07-29 09:45 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 07:44 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-07-29 17:48 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-07-29 11:14 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX mhx@iae.nl - 2014-07-29 12:57 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-29 18:36 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 20:38 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-29 21:43 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 23:05 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-30 22:20 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 00:19 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 01:41 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-30 21:42 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 01:08 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-31 20:25 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 02:23 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-08-01 12:54 +0200
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-08-01 19:57 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-08-02 04:18 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-07-27 02:14 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-21 21:59 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-21 22:36 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 22:44 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 02:26 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 07:41 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 07:43 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-22 19:57 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-24 21:04 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-24 15:21 -1000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-25 18:21 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-25 03:16 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 12:08 +0300
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-25 14:08 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 19:13 +0300
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-25 17:14 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 21:03 +0300
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-26 12:13 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-25 16:14 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-25 17:27 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-25 18:24 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-26 03:27 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:50 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-27 03:13 -0500
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-27 12:30 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 03:46 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-25 16:15 +0000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 13:19 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-25 18:52 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 10:45 +0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 09:56 +0300
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 11:30 +0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-25 18:38 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-25 20:49 -1000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:54 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2014-07-26 21:53 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 22:22 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 07:31 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-24 17:05 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-24 20:55 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 19:52 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 13:09 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 00:17 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 00:27 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 07:45 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 07:54 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 00:56 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-27 03:33 +0200
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 18:20 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 18:50 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 20:00 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 23:02 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-06-26 10:28 +0100
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 07:56 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-26 07:59 -1000
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:33 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:26 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:22 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-18 22:07 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-06-18 19:28 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX mhx@iae.nl - 2014-06-18 23:09 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-18 20:02 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-19 18:28 -0400
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-06-17 21:01 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX mhx@iae.nl - 2014-06-17 23:01 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX jyf <jyf1987@gmail.com> - 2014-06-19 22:13 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-19 22:34 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX brelliott18@hotmail.com - 2014-08-10 09:15 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-08-11 14:31 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-08-11 23:51 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX brelliott18@hotmail.com - 2014-08-12 03:14 -0700
Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-08-12 03:51 -0700
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| From | Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 18:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c0175d92-1a4a-4f38-a5dd-fb884239af8b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31858 |
Dude, it's not you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crisis_of_Democracy Because people were too bitchy in the 60's this threatened some rich people and their security / status / power, the American populace was consciously dumbed down from the inside out, the public school system poisoned, intellectualism watered down, to make sure people did not have more skills than those required by their chosen "career" and not to be aware enough of what was going on to disrupt the activities of the government. Of course, it's failing, slowly, but the populace is still, on the whole, dumber than last century. > My Vic-20 program ensured that both master-key and user-key were quite ragged, making the lock more difficult to pick. Who was it who said you probably wrote that program to break into hotel rooms, and that it was definitely not paid for, and possibly illegal? What do you have to say to that? > So Juergen is trying to teach people how to program in Forth with his tutorial. I wish him good luck! Maybe after he teaches people how to program, he can teach pigs to sing and dogs to drive... Programming could be simpler if hardware generally wasn't terrible. Engineers often don't realize that humans actually have to program the thing. In the meantime, Windows! Programming could also be simple enough for the average person to construct basic tasks if society wasn't dumbed down, but also if the smarties hadn't created a culture of complexity to protect their job niche. It gets worse and worse each year. It's kind of like fortification; they make up new complicated terms because it makes them feel/look smart, and people applaud them and pay them to overthink things, so they keep doing it. > Actually, with this language that I'm designing, I am hoping to make it simple enough that people who have never programmed before will be able to pick it up. I am mostly aiming at machinists who want to generate gcode for CNC machines, but it could be used by almost anybody for almost anything. You're designing a language? Is it the Novice thing or different?
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| From | hughaguilar96@yahoo.com |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 20:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5b2f20cb-1818-4380-ae6e-93610b1ecfe8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31859 |
On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 6:50:33 PM UTC-7, Roger Levy wrote: > Dude, it's not you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crisis_of_Democracy > > Because people were too bitchy in the 60's this threatened some rich people and their security / status / power, the American populace was consciously dumbed down from the inside out, the public school system poisoned, intellectualism watered down, to make sure people did not have more skills than those required by their chosen "career" and not to be aware enough of what was going on to disrupt the activities of the government. Of course, it's failing, slowly, but the populace is still, on the whole, dumber than last century. I saw the movie: "I, Robot." Issac Asimov predicted a future in which robots would become like people. I think he had it completely backwards --- I predict a future in which people become like robots --- if computers are going to become as smart as people, we will have to meet in the middle. > > My Vic-20 program ensured that both master-key and user-key were quite ragged, making the lock more difficult to pick. > > Who was it who said you probably wrote that program to break into hotel rooms, and that it was definitely not paid for, and possibly illegal? What do you have to say to that? That was Rod Pemberton. I said that he was on my "twit list" for saying this. Actually, he already was. My program was written for locksmith to do master-keying, specifically for a motel. It was legitimate. I didn't get paid though --- it was just a learning exercise for me --- the locksmith was a family member. How are you going to break into places with a computer??? Don't you guys know anything about real-world stuff, such as how the lock on your door works? > > Actually, with this language that I'm designing, I am hoping to make it simple enough that people who have never programmed before will be able to pick it up. I am mostly aiming at machinists who want to generate gcode for CNC machines, but it could be used by almost anybody for almost anything. > > You're designing a language? Is it the Novice thing or different? The novice package is not a language --- it is entirely ANS-Forth code --- I wrote that when I still cared about ANS-Forth. Forth-200x is going to be another failure, just like ANS-Forth, so I have moved on --- I'm designing my own Forth now, that is not ANS-Forth compatible.
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| From | Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 23:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fa5dcab1-7544-4da8-b550-8277256f85f5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31860 |
> How are you going to break into places with a computer??? Don't you guys know anything about real-world stuff, such as how the lock on your door works? Yeah... Rob's idea seemed quite off-the-wall. Anyway, cool, after your explanation I understand what that program was about much better. > Forth-200x is going to be another failure, just like ANS-Forth, so I have moved on --- I'm designing my own Forth now, that is not ANS-Forth compatible. Forth took years and years to hone, so I can't say I think you're going to succeed with that, but have fun. I have written 3 non-standard Forth systems and ended up using ANS because I wanted to write applications not Forths. I'm going to keep writing in ANS because it works just fine for the time being and is an more-or-less "official" standard. I tweaked it with an overlay to fit my tastes. There is no flaw in the standard that isn't really just a nitpick, because I know it's good enough to get real work done. Why did ANS Forth fail? Not enough applications? No free compliant desktop Forths?
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| From | Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 10:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <c127emF79aaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #31861 |
Roger Levy wrote: [%X] > Why did ANS Forth fail? Not enough applications? No free compliant > desktop Forths? If it did I was unaware of that. In its new form as Forth2000x it still lives on. It is a very workable basis for allowing cross-compatibility between different base Forths for the most part (I can run most of the same source on VFx, PowerForth and GForth without tweaking) and the robustness certification that I provide to clients makes great use of the fact we have a standard. -- ******************************************************************** Paul E. Bennett IEng MIET.....<email://Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> Forth based HIDECS Consultancy.............<http://www.hidecs.co.uk> Mob: +44 (0)7811-639972 Tel: +44 (0)1235-510979 Going Forth Safely ..... EBA. www.electric-boat-association.org.uk.. ********************************************************************
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| From | Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 07:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b2dace83-7215-4912-ac15-5b6cc08bb457@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31869 |
> If it did I was unaware of that. In its new form as Forth2000x it still > lives on. It is a very workable basis for allowing cross-compatibility > between different base Forths for the most part (I can run most of the same > source on VFx, PowerForth and GForth without tweaking) and the robustness > certification that I provide to clients makes great use of the fact we have > a standard. Oh, good. Thanks for chiming in. This is what I want for my code too, besides the possibility of collaboration.
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 07:59 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <msmdnbWFnpn0wjHOnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #31878 |
On 6/26/14 4:56 AM, Roger Levy wrote: > >> If it did I was unaware of that. In its new form as Forth2000x it still >> lives on. It is a very workable basis for allowing cross-compatibility >> between different base Forths for the most part (I can run most of the same >> source on VFx, PowerForth and GForth without tweaking) and the robustness >> certification that I provide to clients makes great use of the fact we have >> a standard. > > Oh, good. Thanks for chiming in. This is what I want for my code too, besides the possibility of collaboration. > As far as I can tell, ANS Forth "failed" only in the minds of a very few people on the fringes of the Forth community. Those of us who were using Forth in our work both before and since Forth94 have found it to be a significant step forward, both for us and for our users. Cheers, Elizabeth -- ================================================== Elizabeth D. Rather (US & Canada) 800-55-FORTH FORTH Inc. +1 310.999.6784 5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA 90045 http://www.forth.com "Forth-based products and Services for real-time applications since 1973." ==================================================
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 17:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.xh2zivfn6zenlw@localhost> |
| In reply to | #31879 |
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 13:59:06 -0400, Elizabeth D. Rather <erather@forth.com> wrote: > As far as I can tell, ANS Forth "failed" only in the minds of a very few > people on the fringes of the Forth community. Those of us who were using > Forth in our work both before and since Forth94 have found it to be a > significant step forward, both for us and for our users. > Did you hear that Hugh? Ms. Rather said you're a part of the lunatic fringe! " 'cause you gotta blame someone, for your own confusion" - Lunatic Fringe, Red Rider Ms. Rather are you a Red Rider fan? ;-) Rod Pemberton
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 17:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.xh2y50zj6zenlw@localhost> |
| In reply to | #31860 |
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:41 -0400, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote: > That was Rod Pemberton. I said that he was on my "twit list" for saying > this. Actually, he already was. That's funny. I'm on the "twit list" of the guy who has openly claimed here that he has failed at every job he ever had: college dropout, forth programmer, C programmer, machinist, taxi cab driver, etc. So, what's the truth Hugh? Are you a failure as you've claimed or is that just a deception or ruse? Rod Pemberton
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 17:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.xh2y0d1q6zenlw@localhost> |
| In reply to | #31858 |
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:20:15 -0400, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote: > The world has changed a lot since 1984.[...] > Today, at least 95% of locksmiths design master-key systems with > pencil-and-paper. They do a terrible job. For one thing, they should > randomly have the master-key cut above or below the user-key cut. > Instead, they make all of the master-key cuts low, and all of the > user-key cuts high. The result is that the master-key is almost > perfectly flat, making the lock easy to pick. As you've said, a lot has changed since 1984. Locks aren't picked anymore. For the past decade or so they've used a "new" technique. Look up "bump key", or see "The Lockdown" series, especially, "Locked, but not secure" Part I and II and "Locked, but maybe secure" Part I and II by Marc Weber Tobias, author of "Locks, Safes, and Security": http://www.engadget.com/about/editors/marc-weber-tobias/ http://www.amazon.com/Locks-Safes-Security-International-Reference/dp/0398070792 > My Vic-20 program ensured that both master-key and user-key were quite > ragged, making the lock more difficult to pick. Seriously, I don't see how that would help. There are still two break points for each pin (3 pin pieces) for dual key locks. I.e., one line of breaks will be low and the other will be high. So, it doesn't matter that the master key uses a high position instead of a low since both high and low breaks are present. The lock picker will the easier set of breaks to pick. BTW, a simple Google search will pull up anti-pick and anti-bump locks: http://www.kwikset.com/SmartSecurity/Lock-Bumping-Protection.aspx http://www.unionkeyultra.co.uk/how-it-works.php Rod Pemberton
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 22:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.xhoit3zi6zenlw@localhost> |
| In reply to | #31619 |
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:12:25 -0400, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote: > I've been programming in Forth since 1984, and I can tell you that the > general programming populace does not think that Forth programmers are > "magic voodoo people" who can work big wonders using only the stack, > definitions and variables. True. > What they think is that we are not working big wonders, or even > medium-sized wonders, [...] True. > and that we don't deserve to be called "programmers" at all because we > are just faking it and have never actually succeeded in getting a > non-trivial program to work. I'm not sure about that. > EVERYTHING that I learned about structs came from learning C --- > actually, EVERYTHING that I know about computer-science came from > other programming languages, and I brought it over to Forth myself. Do you *really* need me to explain why this is? ... > This generated the codes for a master-key system using Kwikset > door-locks [...] Yeah, I'm not going to ask if that was a paid for job, or if something else was going on there... > Then I decided to do what the real Forth programmers (college students > out at Isla Vista) said to do, which is to write short functions and > test them immediately, and work up to a full program (bottom-up design). Ms. Rather disagrees with Forth being bottom-up. > I did this, and I quickly got the program to work --- what had seemed > complicated and near-impossible, suddenly seemed easy. I thought to > myself: "Factoring is strong magic!" You've mentioned "magic" twice. The only thing missing from this so far: "mushroom" ... > Suddenly I could imagine myself writing big programs that worked, > whereas previously this had seemed about as likely as me slaying > dragons with a sword. D&D. Well, *THAT* explains alot about you. I thought no one born prior to 1970 played it ... Stay in Cali long enough and a bag of multi-sided dice will be the only legal self-defense weapon. Hey, when someone is shooting at you, does the law there still require you to dive into ditches, or attempt outrun bullets like Superman? Yeah, I thought so... Did you know some of the most dangerous places are parking garages? See, I worked in a city with over 500 murders per year. Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. No way to escape a man with a gun. The only way to survive if attacked is your own gun and stand-your-ground. Well, many years ago, Tool said California needed a' enema. IMO, it still does... "I sure could use a vacation from this bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA The only way to fix it is to flush it all away." - Tool's AEnema song on their AEnima album. > Forth is just stuck at the novice level. True. > [...] I'm not familiar with any Forth literature anywhere that provides > any information beyond the basics (mostly a long-winded explanation of > how a stack works). True. > "Legitimizing" --- that is what Forth needs! No, what Forth needs is a solution to the "everying thing I learned about structs and computer science I learned from other programming languages and I brought into Forth myself" issue. Normally, that's called syntax, but Forth has hardly any of that. Perhaps, that's what your novice package is for? But, Forth will clearly have none of it! Rod Pemberton
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| From | Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 19:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d5ad85cf-0a07-4e51-bb89-6a752fafa777@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31650 |
INVERT ENN1 N
ST1 X+N+1,1(0:0)
INC1 1
J1N *-2
ENT1 N
2H ENN3 0,1
ENN2 0,3
LD3N X,2
J3N *-2
LDA X,3
STA X,2
ST1 X,3
DEC1 1
J1P 2B
In the interest of learning CS in Forth, how can we make Forth more
like this remarkably successful language?
-- Julian
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| From | mhx@iae.nl |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 23:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dbefe7d4-303e-4867-b4ee-17c8cb8ac9eb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31651 |
On Thursday, June 19, 2014 4:28:32 AM UTC+2, Julian Fondren wrote: > INVERT ENN1 N > ST1 X+N+1,1(0:0) > INC1 1 > J1N *-2 > ENT1 N > 2H ENN3 0,1 > ENN2 0,3 > LD3N X,2 > J3N *-2 > LDA X,3 > STA X,2 > ST1 X,3 > DEC1 1 > J1P 2B > In the interest of learning CS in Forth, how can we make Forth more > like this remarkably successful language? MIX is wonderful, isn't it. The iForth distribution has had an emulator, compiler, and debugger for it since the early days. The people that read Knuth don't need such software because they are in a class of their own (they may not even need a computer :-) DK and CM do have some characteristics in common. -marcel
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| From | hughaguilar96@yahoo.com |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 20:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e2d00aad-7123-4b18-be63-a0fb671591ed@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31650 |
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:07:05 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:12:25 -0400, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote: > > This generated the codes for a master-key system using Kwikset > > door-locks [...] > > Yeah, I'm not going to ask if that was a paid for job, > or if something else was going on there... Well, that put you on my twit list forever.
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 18:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.xhp3c2ec6zenlw@localhost> |
| In reply to | #31652 |
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 23:02:47 -0400, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:07:05 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:12:25 -0400, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > This generated the codes for a master-key system using Kwikset >> > door-locks [...] >> >> Yeah, I'm not going to ask if that was a paid for job, >> or if something else was going on there... > > Well, that put you on my twit list forever. Oh my, I got the ever so dreaded "twit" label from Hugh ... Well, just what _were_ we supposed to think about that? Let's review what you said: A young kid, you, who can't actually program yet, was hired to program, in a language he doesn't actually know, which was not widely known yet, or even widely available in 1984, the master keycodes for door keys, something which is generally kept secret, for a cheasy motel, on an unbelievably underpowered Vic-20, a home computer, not a business machine, such as an IBM PC, in said language: Forth. Yup, that's a believable tale ... I'm not saying it's not true, just that it's *truly* unbelievable! At best, if it's true, I'd label it foolish on their part. Are we supposed to seriously believe you weren't after the motel's master key to sneak into motel rooms, perhaps for TV, HBO movies, or pr0n, room booze, telephone service for dialing up BBSes, money from pay massage beds or pay telephones or tips for motel staff, or even a place to stay for free without parental supervision or law enforcement, e.g., to consume drugs or drink or smoke or have sex, etc? Having a master key to a motel, whose exposed door rooms can be entered and exited without motel management noticing, would've been the "holy grail" or a "golden ticket" for a young urban hacker in the 1980's. This is the realistic scenario as to why anyone *not* in the locksmith industry or lock manufacturing would be dealing with master keycodes in 1984. So, are we supposed to honestly believe you were hired by said motel and paid to write _locksmith_ software for it ... on a Vic-20 of all things!?!? It's ludicrous even for 1984. The only thing more ludicrous would've been if you said it was on an even more useless machine such as the Timex Sinclair 1000. A Commodore C64 or Apple II might've been believable, if it wasn't for the fact that the motel wasn't about to let some stranger deal with their master keycodes. C'mon now... Rod Pemberton
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| From | Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-17 21:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <90162a36-832d-4dad-90d8-98188fbec475@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31613 |
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:27:52 AM UTC-5, Roger Levy wrote:
> I applaud your work, but this reminds me that what Forth needs is some
> discourse on advanced high-level use! Maybe I'll write Forth DELUXE. There are
> so many existing publications on Forth fundamentals out there :P People have
> no shortage of tutorials on Forth which all seem to follow the same blueprint.
> If you took it at face value, you'd think that Forth programmers have no need
> for anything but the stack, definitions, and VARIABLEs and are therefore some
> kind of magic voodoo people. (of course I'm exaggerating a little, but all
> these concepts are VERY basic)
Aye. I thought of this when your tutorial was criticized. It seems that we
have these levels:
1. Core Forth, and the Forth machine.
2. Higher-level extensions: OO systems, quotations, data structures,
FSL, etc.
3. DSLs that still aren't application-level. I think of JvN's state
machines and formula translator, even stuff like gl-helper.fs's
SHADER: word.
4. Application lexicons. You're no longer writing in Forth; you're
writing in 'jRPG Scene Definition Language', or 'Monster Description
Language'.
We have tons and tons of level #1 documentation, and tons of statements
to the effect that level #4 is where you really want to be, and that
this is where the magic of Forth is. We also have tons of level #2 code
and discussion: you want coroutines, optimized tail recursion,
lse64-style 'then'?
(n -- -1|0|1 )
: sign ;
: sign dup 0< then drop -1 ;
: sign dup 0> then drop 1 ;
... clf has got it!
But we don't have much about how you get from #1 to anywhere else.
Not because there's nothing to say about this, I think, but just
because nobody's said it. Is it worth mentioning that I often create
linked lists by starting with VARIABLE and a word to push items onto
it, and then add whatever I specifically need? Or how about talking
about how to translate algorithms written in other languages in Forth?
Just for level #2 stuff.
variable scores \ list of (cdr,r:score)
: score ( r -- )
align here scores @ , scores ! f, ;
...
: each-score { xt -- }
scores begin @ dup while dup >r cell+ f@ xt execute r> repeat drop ;
: average ( -- r )
0e 0 [: f+ 1+ ;] each-score s>f f/ ;
We're also thin on examples of level #4 code. There's the washing machine
example that starts with Core Forth and ends in a Washing Machine Operation
Language within a screen. And then there's... what else?
I do appreciate having more Forth to read in Kindle format.
-- Julian
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| From | mhx@iae.nl |
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| Date | 2014-06-17 23:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6cabd726-2697-4f4c-95b6-02c93234b53c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31622 |
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:01:46 AM UTC+2, Julian Fondren wrote: > On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:27:52 AM UTC-5, Roger Levy wrote: > [..] > 4. Application lexicons. You're no longer writing in Forth; you're > writing in 'jRPG Scene Definition Language', or 'Monster Description > Language'. > [..] > We're also thin on examples of level #4 code. There's the washing machine > example that starts with Core Forth and ends in a Washing Machine Operation > Language within a screen. And then there's... what else? [..] To talk about level 4 an awful lot of explanation (domain knowledge) is needed. The merest example will pull in your 'personal toolkit/vocabulary', which in my case covers hundredths of files all linked together. And then, at level 4 everything is so darned simple that there is nothing to discuss :-) Its like a bitmapped character: looks great at a distance. When you zoom in it seems possible, or maybe even necessary, to remove, add, or nudge a pixel. When you zoom out again all these changes are horribly wrong. -marcel
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| From | jyf <jyf1987@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 22:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <227d4cb8-1c24-4a10-9e7c-1d97588145ac@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31555 |
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 10:06:46 PM UTC+8, JUERGEN wrote: > It might not be for most of the clf people - just for the ones that start. > > I just published on amazon a tutorial based on MPE VFX. > > > > Yes, it is for beginners > > Yes, it is not free - at least a couple of beers should be paid by amazon > > Yes, it is based on MPE VFX Forth - I wanted to use a commercial Forth free to download. > > Yes, you still have to wait, as amazon is still working on it but I have no time to post this next week. > > Yes, I would like feedback, but please to my email address in the ebook > > Yes, it was a lot of work, and based on some of the comments I have seen here, I will probably soon be getting the usual negative comments. > > NO, I do not care about such comments, wanted to do it and done now. > > Yes, a BIG THANK YOU to Leo and to Stephen. i suggest you to publish paid mobile apps for this (include tutorial and interpreter) in that case people could use the builtin forth intepreter to practise and of cause you could give them test and check if they really got the concepts i suggest this because when i read "starting forth", i found none of the forth intepreter acts just the same as the book saiys,i know its about the years,but since forth is tiny campared to others, why cant you just package the environment you are talking about to the turtorials? just imaging, after 20 years people found the app and still could learn from it when they got the emulator just like NES does
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| From | Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 22:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <14b59f95-e11c-45c1-adea-690d7628377a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31681 |
> i suggest this because when i read "starting forth", i found none of the forth intepreter acts just the same as the book saiys,i know its about the years,but since forth is tiny campared to others, why cant you just package the environment you are talking about to the turtorials? just imaging, after 20 years people found the app and still could learn from it when they got the emulator just like NES does funny thing, i never thought about this before ... but i think all mobile apps will evaporate into the ether after The Fall ;)
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| From | brelliott18@hotmail.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-08-10 09:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4e1c5551-5fed-41fa-87cb-eab140543f5f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #31555 |
On Sunday, 15 June 2014 15:06:46 UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote: > It might not be for most of the clf people - just for the ones that start. I just published on amazon a tutorial based on MPE VFX. Yes, it is for beginners Yes, it is not free - at least a couple of beers should be paid by amazon Yes, it is based on MPE VFX Forth - I wanted to use a commercial Forth free to download. Yes, you still have to wait, as amazon is still working on it but I have no time to post this next week. Yes, I would like feedback, but please to my email address in the ebook Yes, it was a lot of work, and based on some of the comments I have seen here, I will probably soon be getting the usual negative comments. NO, I do not care about such comments, wanted to do it and done now. Yes, a BIG THANK YOU to Leo and to Stephen. Have downloaded your tutorial from Amazon and MPE software. Seem to be missing something obvious :- In the MPE AIDE environment : Downloaded to TOOL CAPTURE DISPLAY window : file LITELP2553SA plus supporting files. OK WORDS runs - OK Have downloaded another file [ for I/O handling ] ie INCLUDE c:\gpio2553.fth WORDS shows new words present eg HI , LO etc. CAN define my own new words eg : xxx 3 HI . ; But CANNOT execute anything in this window. However in POWERTERM window - Cannot download 99 % of c:\gpio2553.fth [ except first definition ie PORT1 ] but can define and execute new words. ****** [ I am trying to control PORT1 to set bits high or low ]*********** How do I compile code, Flash it so it runs on start-up ??? THANKS B. Elliott
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-08-11 14:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a3b2e73d-c883-4bd6-a6f5-ab15c915306c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #32906 |
On Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:15:37 PM UTC+1, brell...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, 15 June 2014 15:06:46 UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote: > > > It might not be for most of the clf people - just for the ones that start. I just published on amazon a tutorial based on MPE VFX. Yes, it is for beginners Yes, it is not free - at least a couple of beers should be paid by amazon Yes, it is based on MPE VFX Forth - I wanted to use a commercial Forth free to download. Yes, you still have to wait, as amazon is still working on it but I have no time to post this next week. Yes, I would like feedback, but please to my email address in the ebook Yes, it was a lot of work, and based on some of the comments I have seen here, I will probably soon be getting the usual negative comments. NO, I do not care about such comments, wanted to do it and done now. Yes, a BIG THANK YOU to Leo and to Stephen. > > > > Have downloaded your tutorial from Amazon and MPE software. Seem to be missing something obvious :- > > > > In the MPE AIDE environment : > > Downloaded to TOOL CAPTURE DISPLAY window : file LITELP2553SA plus supporting files. OK > > WORDS runs - OK > > Have downloaded another file [ for I/O handling ] ie INCLUDE c:\gpio2553.fth > > WORDS shows new words present eg HI , LO etc. > > CAN define my own new words eg : xxx 3 HI . ; > > But CANNOT execute anything in this window. > > > > However in POWERTERM window - Cannot download 99 % of c:\gpio2553.fth [ except first definition ie PORT1 ] but can define and execute new words. > > > > ****** [ I am trying to control PORT1 to set bits high or low ]*********** > > > > How do I compile code, Flash it so it runs on start-up ??? > > > > THANKS > > > > B. Elliott THIS FORTH LITE TUTORIAL was written for 18 months BEFORE there were any MPE LITE versions for 430 and for ARM. It was at the time named LITE to show that not ALL Forth words are necessary, or a defined Forth. I verified it with VFX as people can read if they look at the eBook. Runs with Swiftforth as well. It clearly states that you have to download VFX - the free version - this project was for the free downloadable VFX only - only to use the PC, no additional hardware. As this is what we all have. And as you might have learnt, the same runs with GFORTH on tablets as well as I have told - here as well NO 430, NO ARM, NO USB, no Bluetooth. AFTER you have learnt VFX or another one this way - you might want to try the 430 or ARM versions from VFX. MPE has manuals for download to show how to do this. I have not had the time to write such a version, might do in future. But as everything is for free in the Forth area - there is not much petrol to drive this unit forward. Any question about the VFX LITE products please address to MPE. So it seems you downloaded the wrong version. 2553 clearly shows you downloaded the MSP430 version as this is the chip. Restart with VFX.
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