Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX

From	"Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm>
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Subject	Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX
Date	2014-06-26 17:22 -0400
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:20:15 -0400, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The world has changed a lot since 1984.[...]
> Today, at least 95% of locksmiths design master-key systems with  
> pencil-and-paper. They do a terrible job. For one thing, they should  
> randomly have the master-key cut above or below the user-key cut.  
> Instead, they make all of the master-key cuts low, and all of the  
> user-key cuts high. The result is that the master-key is almost  
> perfectly flat, making the lock easy to pick.

As you've said, a lot has changed since 1984.  Locks aren't picked anymore.
For the past decade or so they've used a "new" technique.  Look up "bump  
key",
or see "The Lockdown" series, especially, "Locked, but not secure" Part I
and II and "Locked, but maybe secure" Part I and II by Marc Weber Tobias,
author of "Locks, Safes, and Security":

http://www.engadget.com/about/editors/marc-weber-tobias/
http://www.amazon.com/Locks-Safes-Security-International-Reference/dp/0398070792

> My Vic-20 program ensured that both master-key and user-key were quite  
> ragged, making the lock more difficult to pick.

Seriously, I don't see how that would help.  There are still two break  
points
for each pin (3 pin pieces) for dual key locks.  I.e., one line of breaks  
will
be low and the other will be high.  So, it doesn't matter that the master  
key
uses a high position instead of a low since both high and low breaks are
present.  The lock picker will the easier set of breaks to pick.

BTW, a simple Google search will pull up anti-pick
and anti-bump locks:

http://www.kwikset.com/SmartSecurity/Lock-Bumping-Protection.aspx
http://www.unionkeyultra.co.uk/how-it-works.php

Rod Pemberton

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FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-15 07:06 -0700
  Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-15 08:48 -0700
    Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-06-15 23:43 +0100
    Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-15 19:44 -0400
      Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-16 02:21 +0200
      Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-06-16 09:26 +0100
        Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-17 04:06 -0700
  Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-15 19:39 -0400
  Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-15 23:01 -0700
  Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-17 09:27 -0700
    Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-17 20:12 -0700
      Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-17 21:15 -0700
        Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-17 22:34 -0700
          Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-17 23:11 -0700
            Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-18 16:57 -0700
              Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-20 05:03 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 14:56 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-20 17:03 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 17:53 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-21 10:57 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 11:06 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-21 13:30 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 11:58 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-21 14:22 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-21 20:13 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 21:54 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-21 22:31 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-22 05:31 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 07:04 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-22 18:02 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-23 02:53 +0200
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-22 20:29 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-22 13:40 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-22 12:08 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX november.nihal@gmail.com - 2014-06-22 16:03 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-22 20:30 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-26 15:17 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 15:51 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-26 22:49 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 07:32 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-27 23:01 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 06:59 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 08:07 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 08:34 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-28 07:23 -1000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-28 22:46 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-07-27 02:06 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-28 07:31 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-07-28 11:23 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-28 19:21 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-28 20:59 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-07-29 11:10 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-07-29 09:45 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 07:44 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-07-29 17:48 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-07-29 11:14 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX mhx@iae.nl - 2014-07-29 12:57 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-29 18:36 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 20:38 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-29 21:43 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 23:05 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-30 22:20 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 00:19 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 01:41 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-30 21:42 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 01:08 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-31 20:25 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 02:23 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-08-01 12:54 +0200
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-08-01 19:57 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-08-02 04:18 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-07-27 02:14 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-21 21:59 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-06-21 22:36 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 22:44 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 02:26 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 07:41 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 07:43 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-22 19:57 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-24 21:04 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-24 15:21 -1000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-25 18:21 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-25 03:16 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 12:08 +0300
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-25 14:08 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 19:13 +0300
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-25 17:14 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 21:03 +0300
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-26 12:13 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-25 16:14 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-25 17:27 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-25 18:24 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-26 03:27 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:50 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-27 03:13 -0500
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-27 12:30 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 03:46 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-25 16:15 +0000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 13:19 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-25 18:52 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 10:45 +0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 09:56 +0300
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 11:30 +0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-25 18:38 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-25 20:49 -1000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:54 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2014-07-26 21:53 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2014-06-22 22:22 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 07:31 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-24 17:05 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-24 20:55 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 19:52 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 13:09 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 00:17 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 00:27 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 07:45 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-23 07:54 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 00:56 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-27 03:33 +0200
          Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 18:20 -0700
            Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 18:50 -0700
              Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 20:00 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 23:02 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-06-26 10:28 +0100
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 07:56 -0700
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-26 07:59 -1000
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:33 -0400
                Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:26 -0400
            Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 17:22 -0400
      Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-18 22:07 -0400
        Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-06-18 19:28 -0700
          Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX mhx@iae.nl - 2014-06-18 23:09 -0700
        Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-18 20:02 -0700
          Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-19 18:28 -0400
    Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-06-17 21:01 -0700
      Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX mhx@iae.nl - 2014-06-17 23:01 -0700
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    Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-19 22:34 -0700
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