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Epic Fail

Started byJason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com>
First post2014-04-04 10:26 -0700
Last post2014-12-02 04:54 +0100
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  Epic Fail Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-04 10:26 -0700
    Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-04 12:42 -0500
    Re: Epic Fail forthisit@gmail.com - 2014-04-04 11:09 -0700
    Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-04 22:09 +0100
      Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-04 21:44 -1000
        Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-05 09:42 -0700
          Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-05 10:47 -0700
          Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-05 15:25 -0400
      Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-07 17:29 +0000
        Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 12:35 -0700
          Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-08 15:54 +0000
            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-08 12:43 -0500
              Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-09 16:16 +0000
                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-09 13:00 -0500
                  Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-09 21:08 +0200
                    Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-09 15:17 -0500
                      Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-10 00:17 +0200
                        Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-09 22:42 -0700
                          Re: Epic Fail Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2014-04-10 00:06 -0700
                          Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-10 16:00 +0100
                          Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-10 22:35 +0200
                            Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-10 17:51 -0700
                            Re: Epic Fail Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2014-04-10 21:44 -0700
                            Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-11 23:10 -0700
                              Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-12 06:18 -0400
                                Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-12 06:23 -0400
                                Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-12 10:52 -0700
                                  Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-04-12 20:14 +0200
                                  Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-12 19:21 -0400
                                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-13 12:25 -0500
                                  Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-13 20:33 -0400
                              Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-12 16:12 +0000
                                Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-12 09:48 -0700
                                  Re: Epic Fail Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2014-04-12 10:23 -0700
                                  Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-12 19:51 +0000
                                    Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-12 13:00 -0700
                                Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-12 10:29 -0700
                                  Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-12 19:56 +0000
                                    Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 00:25 -0700
                                      Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-13 10:50 +0100
                                        Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 16:53 -0700
                                          Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-04-14 02:32 +0200
                                            Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 17:59 -0700
                                          Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-14 02:00 +0100
                                            Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 18:30 -0700
                                Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-13 14:21 +0000
                                  Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 21:12 -0700
                                    Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-23 12:49 +0000
                                      Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-28 21:02 -0700
                                        Automatic scoping of locals (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-29 14:49 +0000
                                          Re: Automatic scoping of locals (was: Epic Fail) hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-05-02 22:28 -0700
                        Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-10 03:04 -0500
                          Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-11 17:23 +0000
                            Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-11 21:42 +0200
                              Re: Epic Fail Spam@ControlQ.com - 2014-04-11 16:13 -0400
                                Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-11 22:15 +0200
                                Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-13 16:10 +0000
                                  Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-13 18:42 +0100
                                    Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-13 23:44 +0200
                                      Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-13 20:33 -0400
                                      Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-14 04:05 -0500
                                        Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-14 09:57 +0000
                                          Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-14 11:56 +0100
                                        Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-14 14:53 +0200
                                          Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-14 07:26 -0700
                                            Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-14 21:21 +0200
                                              Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-15 04:07 -0500
                                          Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-14 09:55 -0700
                                            Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-14 22:04 -0700
                                              Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-15 04:10 -0400
                                                Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 02:40 -0700
                                                  Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-15 06:41 -0400
                                                    Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 06:20 -0700
                                              Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-15 12:21 +0000
                                                Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 06:30 -0700
                                                Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-15 20:04 -0700
                                                  Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 23:50 -0700
                                                    Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-15 21:31 -1000
                                                      Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-16 05:55 -0700
                                                        Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-16 14:50 +0100
                                                      Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-16 06:06 -0700
                                                      Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-19 17:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-20 11:35 -0700
                                              Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-16 00:19 -0700
                                                Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-16 05:29 -0700
                                                  Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-16 22:45 -0400
                                      Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-14 09:49 +0000
                                      Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-23 13:07 +0000
                                        Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-23 20:16 -0400
                                          Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-23 14:41 -1000
                                          Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-24 17:10 +0000
                                            Re: Epic Fail Spam@ControlQ.com - 2014-04-24 15:14 -0400
                                              @ and optimization (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 08:40 +0000
                                                Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-25 06:13 -0500
                                                  Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 15:26 +0000
                                                    Re: @ and optimization Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 09:03 -0700
                                                      Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 17:45 +0000
                                                    Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-25 11:15 -0500
                                                      Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 17:22 +0000
                                                        Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 04:38 -0500
                                                          Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 11:38 +0000
                                                            Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-26 14:35 +0200
                                                            Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 09:59 -0500
                                                              Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 10:14 -0500
                                                              Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 15:30 +0000
                                                                Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 12:05 -0500
                                                                  Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 17:27 +0000
                                                                    Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 12:39 -0500
                                                                      Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 18:07 +0000
                                                                        Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-27 03:24 -0500
                                                                          Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-27 13:00 +0000
                                                                            Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-27 11:18 -0500
                                                                              Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-28 15:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-29 03:52 -0500
                                                                                  Re: @ and optimization Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 03:09 -0700
                                                                                    Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-29 09:24 -0500
                                                                                    Re: @ and optimization "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-29 08:36 -1000
                                                                                      Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 10:18 +0000
                                                                                  Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-29 14:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-29 10:21 -0500
                                                                                      Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-29 15:41 +0000
                                                                                        Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-29 12:26 -0500
                                                                                          Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 10:44 +0000
                                                                                            Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-30 09:18 -0500
                                                                                              Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 17:48 +0000
                                                                                                Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 03:55 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-01 14:21 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 10:11 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-01 14:20 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 12:38 -0500
                                                                                        Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-29 20:17 +0200
                                                                                          Re: @ and optimization stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-29 19:21 +0000
                                                                                            Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-29 23:20 +0200
                                                                                          Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-30 03:02 -0500
                                                                  Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-26 20:55 +0200
                                                                    Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-27 03:28 -0500
                                                              Re: @ and optimization albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-27 13:31 +0000
                                                                Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-28 15:27 +0000
                                                            Re: @ and optimization albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-27 13:23 +0000
                                                            Re: @ and optimization hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-28 21:32 -0700
                                                        Re: @ and optimization "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 08:50 -0400
                                                          Re: @ and optimization "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-26 22:52 +0100
                                                            Re: @ and optimization "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 20:33 -0400
                                                              Re: @ and optimization "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-27 11:53 +0100
                                                                Re: @ and optimization "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-28 01:05 -0400
                                                  Re: @ and optimization Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-25 21:34 +0100
                                                    Re: @ and optimization Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 13:37 -0700
                                                      Re: @ and optimization Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-25 22:03 +0100
                                                      Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 15:38 +0000
                                                        Re: @ and optimization Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 17:24 +0100
                                                    Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 04:48 -0500
                                                      Re: @ and optimization Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 11:09 +0100
                                                Re: @ and optimization (was: Epic Fail) hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-28 21:24 -0700
                                            Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-24 19:17 +0000
                                              Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 08:27 +0000
                                                Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-25 23:44 +0200
                                      Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-26 14:37 +0000
                                    Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 15:04 -0700
                                      Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 09:58 +0100
                                        Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 10:16 +0100
                                        Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 05:06 -0500
                                          Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 11:16 +0100
                                            Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-26 03:43 -0700
                                              Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 14:24 +0000
                                                Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 23:58 -0400
                                                  Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-27 12:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-28 00:41 -0400
                                                Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-28 21:54 -0700
                                              Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 17:17 +0100
                                            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 10:08 -0500
                                          Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-26 13:44 +0200
                                          Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 09:11 -0400
                                            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 10:12 -0500
                                              Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 17:00 +0100
                                                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 12:08 -0500
                                              Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 23:41 -0400
                                    Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 17:06 +0000
                                      Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 12:45 -0500
                                        Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 17:52 +0000
                                          Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-26 21:52 +0200
                                            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-27 03:31 -0500
                                              Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-27 13:48 +0200
                                            Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-27 12:02 +0000
                                      Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 22:19 +0100
                                  Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-14 10:28 -0700
                                    Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-14 22:02 +0200
                                      Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-14 18:57 -0700
                                        Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-15 05:05 +0200
                                          Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-14 22:53 -0700
                            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-13 12:34 -0500
                              Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-14 13:22 +0000
                                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-14 10:08 -0500
                                  Re: Epic Fail Spam@ControlQ.com - 2014-04-14 11:59 -0400
                                  Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-17 16:56 +0000
                                    Re: Epic Fail Spam@ControlQ.com - 2014-04-17 15:16 -0400
                                      Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-17 23:59 +0200
                                    Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-18 04:38 -0700
                                      Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-18 09:17 -0400
                                      Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-18 11:44 -0500
                                      Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-18 17:06 +0000
                                    Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-18 11:41 -0500
                                      Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-18 16:55 +0000
                                        Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-18 19:20 +0200
                                          Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-20 14:52 +0000
                                        Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-18 12:21 -0500
                                          Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-20 14:36 +0000
                                            Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-20 08:17 -0700
                                            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-20 11:35 -0500
                                            Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-21 10:51 -0700
                                            Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-21 19:54 +0200
                                              Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-22 17:40 +0000
                                                Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-22 20:47 +0200
                                      Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-19 11:34 +0000
                                        Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-19 16:05 -0500
                                          Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-20 12:38 +0000
                                            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-20 11:42 -0500
                                              Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-20 12:11 -0500
                                                Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-20 17:23 +0000
                                              Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-20 11:58 -0700
                                              Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-21 10:21 +0000
                                                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 04:58 -0500
                                                  Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-22 17:05 +0000
                                          Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-20 17:12 +0000
                                            Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-20 19:47 -0400
                                            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 05:03 -0500
                                              Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-22 11:51 +0000
                                                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 08:28 -0500
                                                  Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-22 15:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 13:23 -0500
                                                  Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-04-22 19:19 +0200
                        Re: Epic Fail Todd Hughes <noemail@dontemailme.org> - 2014-04-10 11:24 +0000
                          Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-10 06:55 -0500
                            Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-10 15:50 +0000
                              Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-10 11:02 -0500
                            Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-10 22:31 +0200
                              Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-11 03:55 -0500
                            Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-10 19:08 -0400
                          Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-10 19:03 -0400
                            Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-11 17:45 +0100
                              Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-11 17:16 +0000
                                Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-11 18:59 +0100
                                  Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-11 19:11 +0100
                                  Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-11 12:05 -0700
                                  Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-11 22:03 -0400
                                Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-11 20:18 +0200
                              Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-11 21:44 -0400
                            Re: Epic Fail visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-04-11 14:00 -0700
                              Re: Epic Fail Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2014-04-12 01:04 -0700
                          Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-30 01:47 -0800
                    Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 16:12 -0700
    Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-04 23:20 +0200
      Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-07 17:40 +0000
        Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-08 00:52 +0200
          Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 16:13 -0700
            Re: Epic Fail Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 06:37 +0300
            Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-09 01:12 +0200
          Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-08 10:16 +0000
    Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-04 17:41 -0400
      Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-05 02:49 +0200
    Re: Epic Fail Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-04-04 17:46 -0700
      Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-04 21:59 -1000
    Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-05 08:51 +0000
      Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-05 14:45 +0100
    Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-05 16:01 -0700
      Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-05 19:22 -0700
        Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-06 10:46 +0100
          Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-06 13:20 +0200
            Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-06 19:58 +0100
              Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 12:28 -0700
                Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-06 16:40 -0400
                  Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-06 22:04 +0100
                    Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-06 23:25 +0200
                      Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-06 23:48 +0200
                        Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 15:17 -0700
                          Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 00:08 +0200
                            Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 15:34 -0700
                              Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 00:29 +0200
                                Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 16:01 -0700
                                  Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 00:58 +0200
                                    Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 16:29 -0700
                                      Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 01:33 +0200
                                        Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 01:58 +0200
                                        Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 19:33 -0700
                                          Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 04:40 +0200
                                        Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 04:25 +0200
                                          Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 20:19 -0700
                                            Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 11:23 +0200
                                        Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 03:24 -0500
                                          Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 11:18 +0200
                                            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 05:20 -0500
                                              Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 14:49 +0200
                                                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 08:43 -0500
                                                  Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 20:27 +0200
                          Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 02:57 -0500
                            Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-07 10:00 +0000
                            Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 16:10 +0200
                              Re: Epic Fail m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-04-07 07:54 -0700
                                Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 22:59 +0200
                              Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-07 15:07 -0700
                                Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-07 15:13 -0700
                                  Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-08 00:40 +0200
                      Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-07 01:02 +0100
                        Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 10:49 -0700
                          Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-08 19:01 +0100
                            Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-08 08:13 -1000
                          Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-08 20:34 +0200
                            Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 12:04 -0700
                              [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 00:42 +0200
                                Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:14 -0700
                                  Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:15 -0700
                                  Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 03:10 +0200
                                    Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:35 -0700
                                      Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 03:17 +0200
                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-06 16:48 -0500
                  Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 15:30 -0700
                  Re: Epic Fail Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-04-07 11:26 +0200
                    Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 05:21 -0500
                  Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-07 17:54 +0100
                    Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 12:14 -0500
                  Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-07 16:49 +0000
                Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-07 09:37 +0000
          Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-06 08:43 -0700
        Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-07 12:53 +0000
      Re: Epic Fail mhx@iae.nl - 2014-04-06 00:09 -0700
        Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-06 13:12 +0000
          Re: Epic Fail mhx@iae.nl - 2014-04-06 07:55 -0700
            Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-07 10:18 +0000
        Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 08:21 -0700
          Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-06 08:30 -0700
          Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-06 22:12 +0200
            Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-06 12:08 -1000
            Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 16:44 -0700
              Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-06 22:03 -0700
                Re: Epic Fail Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2014-04-07 01:29 -0700
                  locals in nested definitions (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-07 16:57 +0000
                  Re: Epic Fail mhx@iae.nl - 2014-04-07 11:48 -0700
                  Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 22:54 +0200
                  Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-08 00:04 -0700
              Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 14:12 +0200
                Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-07 21:23 -0700
                  Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-07 19:33 -1000
                    Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-07 23:52 -0700
                      Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-08 09:07 +0100
                        Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-08 12:35 +0100
                        Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-08 16:21 +0000
                          Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-08 16:33 -0400
                            Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-08 23:41 +0100
                          Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-08 22:47 -0700
                      Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-08 10:43 +0200
                    Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 07:22 -0700
                      Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-08 10:12 -0500
                        Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 08:58 -0700
                      Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-08 08:02 -1000
                        Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-08 23:07 -0700
                  Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-08 10:21 +0000
                  Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-08 15:32 +0200
                    Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-08 17:46 -0400
                    Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 01:06 +0200
                      Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:06 -0700
                        Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 02:56 +0200
                          Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:17 -0700
                            Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 03:24 +0200
                            Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-09 02:22 -0400
                              Re: Epic Fail Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 17:07 +0300
                        Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 03:48 -0700
            Re: Epic Fail Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 07:17 +0300
              Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 22:52 +0200
    Re: Epic Fail Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 03:53 -0700
    Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 16:24 -0700
    Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 16:45 -0700
    Re: Epic Fail kerdezixe@gmail.com - 2014-04-29 11:15 -0700
      Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 11:21 -0700
      Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-29 20:46 +0200
        Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 12:27 -0700
          Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-29 23:13 +0200
            Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 00:04 -0700
              Re: Epic Fail Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 00:54 -0700
              Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-30 23:30 +0200
                Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 16:48 -0700
                  Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-01 03:33 +0200
                    Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 04:04 -0700
                Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 16:53 -0700
                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 03:56 -0500
        Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-30 03:08 -0500
          Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 02:30 -0700
            Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-30 06:45 -0500
              Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-30 22:02 -0400
                Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 04:04 -0500
                  Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-01 16:08 -0400
                    Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-02 08:12 -0500
                      Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-02 22:33 +0200
                        Re: Epic Fail Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 15:19 -0700
                        Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-03 04:30 -0500
          Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 09:53 +0000
        Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 09:24 +0000
          Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 17:14 -0700
            Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 17:27 -0700
            Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-01 15:25 +0000
              Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) "Peter Knaggs" <pjk@bcs.org.uk> - 2014-05-03 08:28 +0100
          Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) "Peter Knaggs" <pjk@bcs.org.uk> - 2014-05-01 07:52 +0100
          Re: Forth on JVM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 04:06 -0500
          Re: Forth on JVM Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2014-05-01 14:28 +0200
      Re: Epic Fail AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-04-29 20:48 +0200
      Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-29 19:09 +0000
        Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-29 09:23 -1000
          Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 12:43 -0700
            Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-29 11:23 -1000
              Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 22:52 -0700
    Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-11-29 20:13 +0000
      Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) C G Montgomery <cgm@physics.utoledo.edu> - 2014-11-29 17:15 -0500
      Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 14:20 -0800
      Re: Epic failure awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-11-29 23:35 +0100
      Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-11-30 00:31 +0100
      Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 17:41 -0800
        Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) mhx@iae.nl - 2014-11-30 00:04 -0800
          Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) mhx@iae.nl - 2014-11-30 00:09 -0800
            Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-11-30 17:22 +0100
      Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-11-30 02:13 +0000
        Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 18:55 -0800
        Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-11-30 16:50 +0000
          Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-12-01 01:22 +0100
            Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-12-02 06:00 +0100
              Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-12-02 06:37 +0100
                Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-12-02 12:28 +0000
                Re: Epic failure Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-02 18:03 -0800
            Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-12-05 10:10 -0800
              Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-12-05 16:23 -0500
                Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-05 13:46 -0800
        Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-01 07:54 +0000
          Re: Epic failure awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-12-01 14:02 +0100
            Re: Epic failure hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2014-12-01 15:04 -0800
              Re: Epic failure awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-12-02 04:54 +0100

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#34729 — Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)

FromBernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Date2014-12-01 01:22 +0100
SubjectRe: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)
Message-ID<m5gcc4$66b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#34719
Albert van der Horst wrote:

> In article <m5dufq$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, WJ <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>WJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>I apologize creating a challenge that's far too easy.
>>This one is a bit harder.
> 
> Apparently the challenge is to reconstruct a specification
> from an undocumented program in a non-Forth language.
> That is a far greater challenge then writing a Forth program
> would, but I will not waste my time with it.

It's just by-word and prints a sorted histogram.

The real question is: After all, WJ promotes Java in his troll test cases, 
and then writes Scheme programs to challenge us Forthers.  Of couse, Scheme 
is a much better language than Java: Scheme is interactive, Scheme allows 
metaprogramming, and Scheme has a very simple, prefix syntax (with 
parenthesis), which makes parsing Scheme easy.  Just as Forth has a simple, 
postfix syntax (without parenthesis), which is even simpler to parse.  
Scheme requires no boilerplate, just like Forth.

Actually, Lisp was one of the inspirations which led to Forth, and several 
Forth-like programming languages like PostScript or Factor are back in the 
functional programming realm; i.e. Forth is a not too close relative to 
Scheme.  While Java is a member of that ugly, warty, Algol family.

Dear WJ: You had your challenge, and you lost.  Now shut up.  We are bored 
by your easy challenges.  Of course, the first by-character challenge was 
particularly easy, because to solve it, you only had to use core words, 
nothing more.  No libraries (WJ's example uses a library), no fancy non-core 
words; just the words available on every tiny embedded controller running 
Forth.  Controllers which certainly can't run Scheme, or even Java!

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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#34741 — Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2014-12-02 06:00 +0100
SubjectRe: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)
Message-ID<20141202060029.7480750d@maxa-pc>
In reply to#34729
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 01:22:40 +0100
Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote:

> Albert van der Horst wrote:
> 
> > In article <m5dufq$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, WJ <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >>WJ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>I apologize creating a challenge that's far too easy.
> >>This one is a bit harder.
> > 
> > Apparently the challenge is to reconstruct a specification
> > from an undocumented program in a non-Forth language.
> > That is a far greater challenge then writing a Forth program
> > would, but I will not waste my time with it.
> 
> It's just by-word and prints a sorted histogram.

Hm, it is not clear what string-tokenize does, that is, how is string
tokenized.

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#34742 — Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2014-12-02 06:37 +0100
SubjectRe: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)
Message-ID<20141202063730.63d23f65@maxa-pc>
In reply to#34741
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:00:29 +0100
Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 01:22:40 +0100
> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> > Albert van der Horst wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <m5dufq$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, WJ <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >>WJ wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I apologize creating a challenge that's far too easy.
> > >>This one is a bit harder.
> > > 
> > > Apparently the challenge is to reconstruct a specification
> > > from an undocumented program in a non-Forth language.
> > > That is a far greater challenge then writing a Forth program
> > > would, but I will not waste my time with it.
> > 
> > It's just by-word and prints a sorted histogram.
> 
> Hm, it is not clear what string-tokenize does, that is, how is string
> tokenized.
> 
> 

I think following go program closely resembles what OP does and is 
clear and readable.

package main

import (
 "fmt"
 "strings"
 "sort"
 "unicode"
)

func main() {
  s := strings.ToLower(
       `How badly did we fail?   Well, out of the
        Billions and Billions of cellphones which
        have ever been produced, not a single one
        has been programmed in Forth or uses Forth
        as an operating system! 99.99% of them are
        programmed in Java?  Why?  I mean I had a
        $15 cell phone.  The hardware is probably
        more powerful than my old Atari ST.  It has
        a faster processor and more RAM.  There are
        only about 5 games for it, and they are all
        programmed in Java.  Truth be known, these
        games are so slow as to be nearly
        unplayable.  It would be undoable to put
        Llamatron on the thing, not because of the
        small screen size, but because it just
        couldn't use a Java library to push around a
        sufficient number of sprites very well. I
        know that all of you I.T. people in here are
        just going to say buy a more expensive
        phone, but that's not my point.`)

 words := make(map[string]string)
 for _,v := range strings.FieldsFunc(s,func (c rune)bool {
   return !unicode.IsLetter(c) && c != '\''
  }) {
    words[v]+="*"
 }
 arr := make(Sorted,0)
 for k,v := range words {
  if len(v) > 1 {
   arr = append(arr,F{k,v})
  }
 }
 sort.Sort(arr)
 fmt.Print(arr)
}

type F struct { k,v string }

type Sorted []F

func (this Sorted) Len() int {
 return len(this)
}

func (this Sorted) Swap(i,j int) {
 this[i],this[j] = this[j],this[i]
}

func (this Sorted) Less(i,j int)bool {
 rc :=  len(this[i].v)>len(this[j].v)
 if !rc { 
  if len(this[i].v) == len(this[j].v) {
     return this[i].k < this[j].k 
  }
 }
 return rc
}

func (this Sorted) String()(rc string){
 for i,v := range this {
  rc += fmt.Sprintf("%05d %-20s%s\n",i,v.k,v.v)
 }
 return
}

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#34750 — Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)

Fromalbert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst)
Date2014-12-02 12:28 +0000
SubjectRe: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)
Message-ID<547db06e$0$6898$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#34742
In article <20141202063730.63d23f65@maxa-pc>, Melzzzzz  <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:00:29 +0100
>Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 01:22:40 +0100
>> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> > Albert van der Horst wrote:
>> >
>> > > In article <m5dufq$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, WJ <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>WJ wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>I apologize creating a challenge that's far too easy.
>> > >>This one is a bit harder.
>> > >
>> > > Apparently the challenge is to reconstruct a specification
>> > > from an undocumented program in a non-Forth language.
>> > > That is a far greater challenge then writing a Forth program
>> > > would, but I will not waste my time with it.
>> >
>> > It's just by-word and prints a sorted histogram.
>>
>> Hm, it is not clear what string-tokenize does, that is, how is string
>> tokenized.
>>
>>
>
>I think following go program closely resembles what OP does and is
>clear and readable.
>
>package main
>
>import (
> "fmt"
> "strings"
> "sort"
> "unicode"
>)
>
>func main() {
>  s := strings.ToLower(
>       `How badly did we fail?   Well, out of the
>        Billions and Billions of cellphones which
>        have ever been produced, not a single one
>        has been programmed in Forth or uses Forth
>        as an operating system! 99.99% of them are
>        programmed in Java?  Why?  I mean I had a
>        $15 cell phone.  The hardware is probably
>        more powerful than my old Atari ST.  It has
>        a faster processor and more RAM.  There are
>        only about 5 games for it, and they are all
>        programmed in Java.  Truth be known, these
>        games are so slow as to be nearly
>        unplayable.  It would be undoable to put
>        Llamatron on the thing, not because of the
>        small screen size, but because it just
>        couldn't use a Java library to push around a
>        sufficient number of sprites very well. I
>        know that all of you I.T. people in here are
>        just going to say buy a more expensive
>        phone, but that's not my point.`)
>
> words := make(map[string]string)
> for _,v := range strings.FieldsFunc(s,func (c rune)bool {
>   return !unicode.IsLetter(c) && c != '\''
>  }) {
>    words[v]+="*"
> }
> arr := make(Sorted,0)
> for k,v := range words {
>  if len(v) > 1 {
>   arr = append(arr,F{k,v})
>  }
> }
> sort.Sort(arr)
> fmt.Print(arr)
>}
>
>type F struct { k,v string }
>
>type Sorted []F
>
>func (this Sorted) Len() int {
> return len(this)
>}
>
>func (this Sorted) Swap(i,j int) {
> this[i],this[j] = this[j],this[i]
>}
>
>func (this Sorted) Less(i,j int)bool {
> rc :=  len(this[i].v)>len(this[j].v)
> if !rc {
>  if len(this[i].v) == len(this[j].v) {
>     return this[i].k < this[j].k
>  }
> }
> return rc
>}
>
>func (this Sorted) String()(rc string){
> for i,v := range this {
>  rc += fmt.Sprintf("%05d %-20s%s\n",i,v.k,v.v)
> }
> return
>}
>

THANK YOU ;-)

Another challenge to reconstruct a specification
from an undocumented program in a non-Forth language.

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#34763 — Re: Epic failure

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-12-02 18:03 -0800
SubjectRe: Epic failure
Message-ID<7xy4qp1oc4.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#34742
Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> writes:
> I think following go program closely resembles what OP does and is 
> clear and readable.

Looks pretty verbose and cumbersome.  Here's a Python version:
================================================================

import re
from collections import defaultdict

msg = """How badly did we fail?   Well, out of the
         Billions and Billions of cellphones which
         have ever been produced, not a single one
         has been programmed in Forth or uses Forth
         as an operating system! 99.99% of them are
         programmed in Java?  Why?  I mean I had a
         $15 cell phone.  The hardware is probably
         more powerful than my old Atari ST.  It has
         a faster processor and more RAM.  There are
         only about 5 games for it, and they are all
         programmed in Java.  Truth be known, these
         games are so slow as to be nearly
         unplayable.  It would be undoable to put
         Llamatron on the thing, not because of the
         small screen size, but because it just
         couldn't use a Java library to push around a
         sufficient number of sprites very well. I
         know that all of you I.T. people in here are
         just going to say buy a more expensive
         phone, but that's not my point."""

def main():
    d = defaultdict(int)
    for w in (re.sub('[^a-z]','',w.lower()) for w in msg.split()):
        if w: d[w] += 1
    for w,n in sorted(d.items(),key=lambda(k,v):v,reverse=True):
        print "%-20s %s"%(w,'*'*n) 

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#34798 — Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)

Fromthe_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com>
Date2014-12-05 10:10 -0800
SubjectRe: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)
Message-ID<d186b225-e951-4bd7-99fc-2118a56f444c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#34729
On Sunday, November 30, 2014 7:22:45 PM UTC-5, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> Albert van der Horst wrote:
> 
> > In article <m5dufq$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, WJ <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>WJ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>I apologize creating a challenge that's far too easy.
> >>This one is a bit harder.
> > 
> > Apparently the challenge is to reconstruct a specification
> > from an undocumented program in a non-Forth language.
> > That is a far greater challenge then writing a Forth program
> > would, but I will not waste my time with it.
> 
> It's just by-word and prints a sorted histogram.
> 
> The real question is: After all, WJ promotes Java in his troll test cases, 
> and then writes Scheme programs to challenge us Forthers.  Of couse, Scheme 
> is a much better language than Java: Scheme is interactive, Scheme allows 
> metaprogramming, and Scheme has a very simple, prefix syntax (with 
> parenthesis), which makes parsing Scheme easy.  Just as Forth has a simple, 
> postfix syntax (without parenthesis), which is even simpler to parse.  
> Scheme requires no boilerplate, just like Forth.
> 
> Actually, Lisp was one of the inspirations which led to Forth, and several 
> Forth-like programming languages like PostScript or Factor are back in the 
> functional programming realm; i.e. Forth is a not too close relative to 
> Scheme.  While Java is a member of that ugly, warty, Algol family.
> 
> Dear WJ: You had your challenge, and you lost.  Now shut up.  We are bored 
> by your easy challenges.  Of course, the first by-character challenge was 
> particularly easy, because to solve it, you only had to use core words, 
> nothing more.  No libraries (WJ's example uses a library), no fancy non-core 
> words; just the words available on every tiny embedded controller running 
> Forth.  Controllers which certainly can't run Scheme, or even Java!
> 
> -- 
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> http://bernd-paysan.de/

When will you write a gforth for students and beginners book?
Then a gforth webserver for blog book?

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#34805 — Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2014-12-05 16:23 -0500
SubjectRe: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)
Message-ID<m5t7o1$35d$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#34798
On 12/5/2014 1:10 PM, the_gavino_himself wrote:
>
> When will you write a gforth for students and beginners book?
> Then a gforth webserver for blog book?

gForth for students and beginners should be written by a beginner who 
documents his own journey.  I think once the memory of the journey 
starts to fade it becomes harder to think like a beginner and so 
understand what the real issues are.

So you should lead by example!

-- 

Rick

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#34807 — Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)

FromJason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com>
Date2014-12-05 13:46 -0800
SubjectRe: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)
Message-ID<4765aa85-2f06-4311-aaab-666b1e420e81@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#34805
On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:23:31 PM UTC-8, rickman wrote:

> So you should lead by example!

A personal sacrifice of ones time may be considered as something
to have fed the tree of Wisdom.

Perhaps

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#34730 — Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)

From"WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com>
Date2014-12-01 07:54 +0000
SubjectRe: Epic failure (was Epic Fail)
Message-ID<m5h6s9$8fi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#34704
WJ wrote:

> WJ wrote:
> 
> > The phrase "epic fail" is meaningless. "Fail" is not a noun.
> > You know very little about the English language and very little
> > about programming languages.
> > 
> > 
> > > Why did Forth fail so badly?
> > > 
> > > I mean the win of Java VS the fail of Forth is so
> > > absolute as to be mind boggling.  I'd like to hear
> > > a real answer, and not that "Forth Sucks"  because
> > > I think that Forth is a darn good mousetrap.  It
> > > is still quite usable and is extremely flexible.
> > 
> > I broke your lines for you.  Anyone who knows anything about
> > usenet knows that he must limit the length of his lines.
> > 
> > You should have written "the failure of Forth".
> > You will find it easier to communicate if you learn a
> > human language.
> > 
> > Forth is an extremely low-level and crude language, suitable only
> > for programming embedded controllers.
> > 
> > Gauche Scheme:
> > 
> > (use srfi-42)
> > (let1 table (make-hash-table)
> >   (dolist (ch (filter #[a-z]  (string->list
> >                   "The Wikipedia article on Java states that in 2014
> >                   Java is the most popular programming language with
> >                   9 million developers.  How many developers do you
> >                   think actually make money programming in Forth?
> >                   Probably about 9!")))
> >     (hash-table-update! table ch (pa$ + 1) 0))
> >   (do-ec (: ch #\a #\z)
> >     (print ch " " (make-string (hash-table-get table ch 0) #\*))))
> > 
> > 
> > a *******************
> > b ***
> > c **
> > d ****
> > e **************
> > f
> > g ******
> > h ******
> > i *************
> > j
> > k ***
> > l **********
> > m *********
> > n **********
> > o ***************
> > p *******
> > q
> > r **********
> > s ******
> > t ************
> > u *****
> > v ****
> > w **
> > x
> > y *****
> > z
> > 
> > Now struggle to program the equivalent in Forth.
> 
> I apologize creating a challenge that's far too easy.
> This one is a bit harder.
> 
> (use srfi-13)
> (let1 table (make-hash-table 'string=?)
>   (dolist (word (string-tokenize (string-downcase
>     "How badly did we fail?   Well, out of the
>     Billions and Billions of cellphones which
>     have ever been produced, not a single one
>     has been programmed in Forth or uses Forth
>     as an operating system! 99.99% of them are
>     programmed in Java?  Why?  I mean I had a
>     $15 cell phone.  The hardware is probably
>     more powerful than my old Atari ST.  It has
>     a faster processor and more RAM.  There are
>     only about 5 games for it, and they are all
>     programmed in Java.  Truth be known, these
>     games are so slow as to be nearly
>     unplayable.  It would be undoable to put
>     Llamatron on the thing, not because of the
>     small screen size, but because it just
>     couldn't use a Java library to push around a
>     sufficient number of sprites very well. I
>     know that all of you I.T. people in here are
>     just going to say buy a more expensive
>     phone, but that's not my point.")  #[a-zA-Z']))
>     (hash-table-update! table word (pa$ + 1) 0))
>   (let* ((words (sort
>                   (filter (^x (> (cdr x) 1)) (hash-table->alist table))
>                   (^(a b) (if (= (cdr a) (cdr b))
>                             (string<? (car a) (car b))
>                             (> (cdr a) (cdr b))))))
>          (word-size (apply max (map (.$ string-length car) words))))
>     (dolist (word words)
>       (format #t "~va ~a\n" word-size (car word) (make-string (cdr word) #\*)))))
> 
> a          ******
> of         ******
> are        *****
> i          ****
> in         ****
> it         ****
> the        ****
> to         ****
> and        ***
> be         ***
> java       ***
> more       ***
> not        ***
> programmed ***
> all        **
> as         **
> because    **
> been       **
> billions   **
> but        **
> forth      **
> games      **
> has        **
> just       **
> my         **
> phone      **
> well       **

Shorter:

(use srfi-13)
(let1 table (make-tree-map)
  (dolist (word (string-tokenize (string-downcase
    "How badly did we fail?   Well, out of the
    Billions and Billions of cellphones which
    have ever been produced, not a single one
    has been programmed in Forth or uses Forth
    as an operating system! 99.99% of them are
    programmed in Java?  Why?  I mean I had a
    $15 cell phone.  The hardware is probably
    more powerful than my old Atari ST.  It has
    a faster processor and more RAM.  There are
    only about 5 games for it, and they are all
    programmed in Java.  Truth be known, these
    games are so slow as to be nearly
    unplayable.  It would be undoable to put
    Llamatron on the thing, not because of the
    small screen size, but because it just
    couldn't use a Java library to push around a
    sufficient number of sprites very well. I
    know that all of you I.T. people in here are
    just going to say buy a more expensive
    phone, but that's not my point.")  #[a-zA-Z']))
    (tree-map-update! table word (pa$ + 1) 0))
  (let* ((words (sort
                  (filter (^x (> (cdr x) 1)) (tree-map->alist table))
                  >
                  cdr))
         (word-size (apply max (map (.$ string-length car) words))))
    (dolist (word words)
      (format #t "~va ~a\n" word-size (car word) (make-string (cdr word) #\*)))))

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#34731 — Re: Epic failure

Fromawegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel)
Date2014-12-01 14:02 +0100
SubjectRe: Epic failure
Message-ID<1lvzats.7r02t6lsxlsN%awegel@arcor.de>
In reply to#34730
WJ <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Shorter:
> 
> (use srfi-13)
> ..

Not really. It's still about 80K: ridiculous.

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#34732 — Re: Epic failure

Fromhughaguilar96@gmail.com
Date2014-12-01 15:04 -0800
SubjectRe: Epic failure
Message-ID<20435d07-cf20-4ccb-a343-a41cb9edcd96@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#34731
On Monday, December 1, 2014 6:03:21 AM UTC-7, Alexander Wegel wrote:
> WJ <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Shorter:
> > 
> > (use srfi-13)
> > ..
> 
> Not really. It's still about 80K: ridiculous.

Alex Wegel is a loyal member of Elizabeth Rather's cult --- he hates that people use libraries of general-purpose code, and he demands that everybody write every program from scratch.

Who really cares about 80KB on a modern desktop-computer that has 1GB and costs $300? We're not using $2000 Apple-IIc computers anymore.

The whole purpose of upgrading to the 8088 and MS-DOS in the late 1980s was to provide more memory. The Commodore-64 (1Mhz 6510) routinely out-performed the IBM-PC (4.77Mhz 8088) in regards to speed --- what people cared about was getting more memory --- the 640KB that the MS-DOS computers offered was what made business software possible.

Of course, Elizabeth Rather completely failed to understand that business software needs lots of memory. PolyForth was restricted to 64KB for the entire system (compiler, dictionary, application code and application data) --- the brave PolyForth programmer could have an MS-DOS machine with full memory (640K) and the program had less memory available to it than an Apple-IIc --- and his program ran slower than an equivalent Apple-IIc program (partly because the 8088 was slow, and partly because PolyForth used ITC). It was obvious that PolyForth was ported over to the 8088 from an old 64KB 1970s-vintage system (most likely Charles Moore's PDP-11 implementation) by somebody who did not bother to learn about the 8088's segment registers (although segments are really not that complicated, and everybody else in the world learned how they worked without difficulty).

It was during the MS-DOS period that Forth lost all credibility, and this was primarily due to PolyForth being a useless toy, combined with Forth Inc. owning the name "Forth," which gave the general programming population the impression that all Forthers were incompetent. The reputation of the Forth has never recovered --- Forth Inc. is a boat anchor that has held the entire Forth community down --- to a large extent, the comp.lang.forth crowd is still living in the 1970s and talking about how much potential Forth has, not noticing that the rest of the world abandoned Forth during the MS-DOS period (late 1980s).

Elizabeth Rather is personally to blame for Forth being an "epic fail." So long as Elizabeth Rather continues to be accepted as the "leading expert" on Forth, Forth will continue to be an epic fail. Elizabeth Rather will continue to surround herself with cultists such as Alex Wegel who wrings his hands in despair about 80KB being used by a general-purpose library --- and the real world will continue to dismiss Forth as a toy language.

P.S. None of this should be construed to imply that I agree with WJ in any way --- he is no smarter than Alex Wegel --- just another non-programming troll.

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#34739 — Re: Epic failure

Fromawegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel)
Date2014-12-02 04:54 +0100
SubjectRe: Epic failure
Message-ID<1lw0eow.11xjxq6jsgw8oN%awegel@arcor.de>
In reply to#34732
<hughaguilar96@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alex Wegel is a loyal member of Elizabeth Rather's cult --- 
> he hates that people use libraries of general-purpose code,
> and he demands that everybody write every program from scratch.

Where do you grow all that nonsense??

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