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  can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 22:59 -0700
    Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-25 09:12 -0700
    Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 00:46 -0700
      Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 22:47 -0700
        Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 01:14 -0700
          Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 16:26 -0700
        Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-28 10:36 -0700
          Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 12:34 -0700
            Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 17:33 -0400
              Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 16:38 -0700
                Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-31 11:13 -0700
                  Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 15:41 -0400
                    Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 00:23 -0700
                      Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 00:53 -0700
                        Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:25 -0400
                          Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-05 20:44 -0400
                            Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 21:28 -0400
                              Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-07 00:10 -0400
                                Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:08 -0400
                                  Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-08 13:54 -0400
                                    Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:52 -0700
                                      Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-21 06:55 -0400
                                    Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 09:25 -0400
                          Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 00:38 -0700
                            Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:12 -0400
                              Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:40 -0700
                                Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 09:18 -0400
                        Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 22:09 -0700
                        Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? djc <ciesinger@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 08:59 -0700
    Re: can forth do an in memory multi machien data base? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 12:33 -0700

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like hypertable.org?

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#40800

On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 10:59:26 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
> like hypertable.org?

Well, in theory yes.  Anything that can be written in C
or Java can be written in Forth.  It just takes a bunch
of guys and gals to do the hard work of putting it 
together and making it function.  

Gavino, you are invited to give it a shot!

Jason

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#40820

On Saturday, 25 July 2015 06:59:26 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
> like hypertable.org?

That exact thing was done in the 80's on the Saudi airport project.
I'd give you the link to the paper, but you don't have the attention
span to read it. So I'll just leave it at that!

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#40862

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 12:46:35 AM UTC-7, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Saturday, 25 July 2015 06:59:26 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
> > like hypertable.org?
> 
> That exact thing was done in the 80's on the Saudi airport project.
> I'd give you the link to the paper, but you don't have the attention
> span to read it. So I'll just leave it at that!

ouch! cmon post the link, I will read it.

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#40865

On Tuesday, 28 July 2015 06:47:42 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
> On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 12:46:35 AM UTC-7, Mark Wills wrote:
> > On Saturday, 25 July 2015 06:59:26 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
> > > like hypertable.org?
> > 
> > That exact thing was done in the 80's on the Saudi airport project.
> > I'd give you the link to the paper, but you don't have the attention
> > span to read it. So I'll just leave it at that!
> 
> ouch! cmon post the link, I will read it.

http://www.forth.com/archive/jfar/vol3/no2/article4.pdf

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#40987

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 1:14:52 AM UTC-7, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 July 2015 06:47:42 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
> > On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 12:46:35 AM UTC-7, Mark Wills wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 25 July 2015 06:59:26 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
> > > > like hypertable.org?
> > > 
> > > That exact thing was done in the 80's on the Saudi airport project.
> > > I'd give you the link to the paper, but you don't have the attention
> > > span to read it. So I'll just leave it at that!
> > 
> > ouch! cmon post the link, I will read it.
> 
> http://www.forth.com/archive/jfar/vol3/no2/article4.pdf

sick

wow

forth rokz

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#40876

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 10:47:42 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:

Hey Gavino!

What do you think about Thorium Fission Reactors?  
How come there are not commercial reactors in 
operation?  I'd like to know myself.

Jason 

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#40977

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 10:36:39 AM UTC-7, Jason Damisch wrote:
> On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 10:47:42 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
> 
> Hey Gavino!
> 
> What do you think about Thorium Fission Reactors?  
> How come there are not commercial reactors in 
> operation?  I'd like to know myself.
> 
> Jason

Thorium seems powerful clean atomic power, Lack of freedom only thing holding it back.  Ask Yaron Brook.

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#40982

On 7/30/2015 3:34 PM, polymorph self wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 10:36:39 AM UTC-7, Jason Damisch wrote:
>> On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 10:47:42 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
>>
>> Hey Gavino!
>>
>> What do you think about Thorium Fission Reactors?
>> How come there are not commercial reactors in
>> operation?  I'd like to know myself.
>>
>> Jason
>
> Thorium seems powerful clean atomic power, Lack of freedom only thing holding it back.  Ask Yaron Brook.

"Clean atomic power"..... is that anything like "clean coal"?

-- 

Rick

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#40988

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 2:33:59 PM UTC-7, rickman wrote:
> On 7/30/2015 3:34 PM, polymorph self wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 10:36:39 AM UTC-7, Jason Damisch wrote:
> >> On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 10:47:42 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Gavino!
> >>
> >> What do you think about Thorium Fission Reactors?
> >> How come there are not commercial reactors in
> >> operation?  I'd like to know myself.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >
> > Thorium seems powerful clean atomic power, Lack of freedom only thing holding it back.  Ask Yaron Brook.
> 
> "Clean atomic power"..... is that anything like "clean coal"?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick

check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all energy needs, only held back by enviro wakkos

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#41020

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:

> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all energy needs, 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDytUCRtTA

About 6:40
"they had to have something that was so slick, 
 that was so safe, that was so simple"

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#41024

On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
>
>> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all energy needs,
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDytUCRtTA
>
> About 6:40
> "they had to have something that was so slick,
>   that was so safe, that was so simple"

I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an explanation of 
it.  My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a 
reactor without creating a disaster.  The real problem with nuclear 
power is the generation of waste products.  Interesting also is that the 
video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt reactor...

"As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the 
ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to validate 
the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors 
have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, 
it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion#Direct_Air_Cycle

-- 

Rick

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#41115

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
> On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
> >
> >> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all energy needs,
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDytUCRtTA
> >
> > About 6:40
> > "they had to have something that was so slick,
> >   that was so safe, that was so simple"
> 
> I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an explanation of 
> it.  My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a 
> reactor without creating a disaster.  The real problem with nuclear 
> power is the generation of waste products.  Interesting also is that the 
> video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt reactor...
> 
> "As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the 
> ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to validate 
> the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors 
> have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, 
> it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]"
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion#Direct_Air_Cycle
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLk46BZfEMs  watch and learn

oil and wind and other bullshit are obsolete

separate seawater into ox n hyd using atomic and runfuel cells that output water

capitalism if unregulated woulda had this long ago

the reactor shuts itself down if problem, unliek dangerous high pressure ones now

india and china are making them, USA needs to de regulate and get this going

get hacks like obama and geither away from the wheel

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#41117

On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 08:23:16 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
> > On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
> > >
> > >> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all energy needs,
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDytUCRtTA
> > >
> > > About 6:40
> > > "they had to have something that was so slick,
> > >   that was so safe, that was so simple"
> > 
> > I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an explanation of 
> > it.  My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a 
> > reactor without creating a disaster.  The real problem with nuclear 
> > power is the generation of waste products.  Interesting also is that the 
> > video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt reactor...
> > 
> > "As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the 
> > ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to validate 
> > the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors 
> > have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, 
> > it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]"
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion#Direct_Air_Cycle
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Rick
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLk46BZfEMs  watch and learn
> 
> oil and wind and other bullshit are obsolete
> 
> separate seawater into ox n hyd using atomic and runfuel cells that output water
> 
> capitalism if unregulated woulda had this long ago
> 
> the reactor shuts itself down if problem, unliek dangerous high pressure ones now
> 
> india and china are making them, USA needs to de regulate and get this going
> 
> get hacks like obama and geither away from the wheel

Yep. Molten salt reators are inherently "safe" requiring no human
intervention to prevent a meltdown. I spent a while about a year
ago watching numerous videos and presentations about MSR and I must
admit that it did convince me to the point that I thought someone
should just go ahead and build one.

And that's exactly what China is doing right now.

US helping China to build MSR:
http://fortune.com/2015/02/02/doe-china-molten-salt-nuclear-reactor/

Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100026863/china-going-for-broke-on-thorium-nuclear-power-and-good-luck-to-them/

Lots of coverage of this on the internet. Just do a google.

The Thorium genie is now well and truly out of the bottle.

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#41131

On 8/5/2015 3:53 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 08:23:16 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
>>> On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all energy needs,
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDytUCRtTA
>>>>
>>>> About 6:40
>>>> "they had to have something that was so slick,
>>>>    that was so safe, that was so simple"
>>>
>>> I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an explanation of
>>> it.  My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a
>>> reactor without creating a disaster.  The real problem with nuclear
>>> power is the generation of waste products.  Interesting also is that the
>>> video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt reactor...
>>>
>>> "As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the
>>> ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to validate
>>> the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors
>>> have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium,
>>> it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]"
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion#Direct_Air_Cycle
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Rick
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLk46BZfEMs  watch and learn
>>
>> oil and wind and other bullshit are obsolete
>>
>> separate seawater into ox n hyd using atomic and runfuel cells that output water
>>
>> capitalism if unregulated woulda had this long ago
>>
>> the reactor shuts itself down if problem, unliek dangerous high pressure ones now
>>
>> india and china are making them, USA needs to de regulate and get this going
>>
>> get hacks like obama and geither away from the wheel
>
> Yep. Molten salt reators are inherently "safe" requiring no human
> intervention to prevent a meltdown. I spent a while about a year
> ago watching numerous videos and presentations about MSR and I must
> admit that it did convince me to the point that I thought someone
> should just go ahead and build one.
>
> And that's exactly what China is doing right now.
>
> US helping China to build MSR:
> http://fortune.com/2015/02/02/doe-china-molten-salt-nuclear-reactor/
>
> Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power:
> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100026863/china-going-for-broke-on-thorium-nuclear-power-and-good-luck-to-them/
>
> Lots of coverage of this on the internet. Just do a google.
>
> The Thorium genie is now well and truly out of the bottle.

And what does China do with the nuclear waste?  Perhaps we can send ours 
to let them dispose of?

-- 

Rick

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#41137

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:25:30 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/5/2015 3:53 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 08:23:16 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:

>>>>>> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all energy needs,
>>>>>
>>>>> [link]
>>>>>
>>>>> About 6:40
>>>>> "they had to have something that was so slick,
>>>>>    that was so safe, that was so simple"
>>>>
>>>> I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an explanation of
>>>> it.  My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a
>>>> reactor without creating a disaster.  The real problem with nuclear
>>>> power is the generation of waste products.  Interesting also is that the
>>>> video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt reactor...
>>>>
>>>> "As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the
>>>> ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to validate
>>>> the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors
>>>> have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium,
>>>> it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]"
>>>>
>>>> [link]
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>> [link]
>>>
>>> oil and wind and other bullshit are obsolete
>>>
>>> separate seawater into ox n hyd using atomic and runfuel cells that output water
>>>
>>> capitalism if unregulated woulda had this long ago
>>>
>>> the reactor shuts itself down if problem, unliek dangerous high pressure ones now
>>>
>>> india and china are making them, USA needs to de regulate and get this going
>>>
>>> get hacks like obama and geither away from the wheel
>>
>> Yep. Molten salt reators are inherently "safe" requiring no human
>> intervention to prevent a meltdown. I spent a while about a year
>> ago watching numerous videos and presentations about MSR and I must
>> admit that it did convince me to the point that I thought someone
>> should just go ahead and build one.
>>
>> And that's exactly what China is doing right now.
>>
>> US helping China to build MSR:
>> [link]
>>
>> Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power:
>> [link]
>>
>> Lots of coverage of this on the internet. Just do a google.
>>
>> The Thorium genie is now well and truly out of the bottle.
>
> And what does China do with the nuclear waste?
> Perhaps we can send ours to let them dispose of?
>

With all the food contamination and other scandals from China,
do you seriously have to ask?

E.g., pulled from the Internet, the Chinese supposedly have:

sold noodles made with pond water used to wash feet and clothes,
sold meat injected with brine from bacteria infested pond water,
sold fake condoms,
sold fake sanitary napkins which were poisonous,
sold fake cooking oil made from sewer waste,
sold drinking straws contaminated with soluble poisons,
sold meat from domestic cats as rabbit meat,
sold meat from rats, minks, foxes as lamb,
sold imported meat from the 1980's which had thawed and rotted,
sold rice contaminated with cadmium,
sold milk contaminated with melamine,
sold toothpaste contaminated with melamine,
sold dog food with an unknown poison lethal to dogs,
sold fake chocolates contaminated with insects or moths,
sold numerous products contaminated with lead paint,
counterfeited anything and everything,
etc.

While some of that may be internet myths and lies, all of it
can't be.  The list goes on and on and is too overwhelming.
So, using history as a guide, i.e., former Soviet republics
that sold radioactive furniture, and the fact that there is
no rule of law in China, they'll likely mix it with something
and sell it ... to you and others.  They'll give it to their
uneducated and unprotected citizens, in a recycling city,
perhaps Guiyu, who'll likely mix it with scrap metal, recycle
the metal, make furniture or children's swing sets out of
the metal, and then sell the radioactive product.  They seem
to like selling radioactive products to France ... according
to the internet.

Don't forget, there have been numerous metal products found
to contain Cobalt-60, which is only made in nuclear reactors,
i.e., most likely waste sourced from Russia ...


Rod Pemberton

-- 
Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030.
So, I guess we need more global warming today ...

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#41138

On 8/5/2015 8:44 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:25:30 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/2015 3:53 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 08:23:16 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
>>>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
>>>>> On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
>
>>>>>>> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all
>>>>>>> energy needs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About 6:40
>>>>>> "they had to have something that was so slick,
>>>>>>    that was so safe, that was so simple"
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an
>>>>> explanation of
>>>>> it.  My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a
>>>>> reactor without creating a disaster.  The real problem with nuclear
>>>>> power is the generation of waste products.  Interesting also is
>>>>> that the
>>>>> video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt
>>>>> reactor...
>>>>>
>>>>> "As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the
>>>>> ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to
>>>>> validate
>>>>> the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors
>>>>> have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium,
>>>>> it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]"
>>>>>
>>>>> [link]
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick
>>>> [link]
>>>>
>>>> oil and wind and other bullshit are obsolete
>>>>
>>>> separate seawater into ox n hyd using atomic and runfuel cells that
>>>> output water
>>>>
>>>> capitalism if unregulated woulda had this long ago
>>>>
>>>> the reactor shuts itself down if problem, unliek dangerous high
>>>> pressure ones now
>>>>
>>>> india and china are making them, USA needs to de regulate and get
>>>> this going
>>>>
>>>> get hacks like obama and geither away from the wheel
>>>
>>> Yep. Molten salt reators are inherently "safe" requiring no human
>>> intervention to prevent a meltdown. I spent a while about a year
>>> ago watching numerous videos and presentations about MSR and I must
>>> admit that it did convince me to the point that I thought someone
>>> should just go ahead and build one.
>>>
>>> And that's exactly what China is doing right now.
>>>
>>> US helping China to build MSR:
>>> [link]
>>>
>>> Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power:
>>> [link]
>>>
>>> Lots of coverage of this on the internet. Just do a google.
>>>
>>> The Thorium genie is now well and truly out of the bottle.
>>
>> And what does China do with the nuclear waste?
>> Perhaps we can send ours to let them dispose of?
>>
>
> With all the food contamination and other scandals from China,
> do you seriously have to ask?
>
> E.g., pulled from the Internet, the Chinese supposedly have:
>
> sold noodles made with pond water used to wash feet and clothes,
> sold meat injected with brine from bacteria infested pond water,
> sold fake condoms,
> sold fake sanitary napkins which were poisonous,
> sold fake cooking oil made from sewer waste,
> sold drinking straws contaminated with soluble poisons,
> sold meat from domestic cats as rabbit meat,
> sold meat from rats, minks, foxes as lamb,
> sold imported meat from the 1980's which had thawed and rotted,
> sold rice contaminated with cadmium,
> sold milk contaminated with melamine,
> sold toothpaste contaminated with melamine,
> sold dog food with an unknown poison lethal to dogs,
> sold fake chocolates contaminated with insects or moths,
> sold numerous products contaminated with lead paint,
> counterfeited anything and everything,
> etc.
>
> While some of that may be internet myths and lies, all of it
> can't be.  The list goes on and on and is too overwhelming.
> So, using history as a guide, i.e., former Soviet republics
> that sold radioactive furniture, and the fact that there is
> no rule of law in China, they'll likely mix it with something
> and sell it ... to you and others.  They'll give it to their
> uneducated and unprotected citizens, in a recycling city,
> perhaps Guiyu, who'll likely mix it with scrap metal, recycle
> the metal, make furniture or children's swing sets out of
> the metal, and then sell the radioactive product.  They seem
> to like selling radioactive products to France ... according
> to the internet.
>
> Don't forget, there have been numerous metal products found
> to contain Cobalt-60, which is only made in nuclear reactors,
> i.e., most likely waste sourced from Russia ...

Wow!  I thought our resident madman was someone else...

-- 

Rick

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#41149

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:28:10 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/5/2015 8:44 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:25:30 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2015 3:53 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 08:23:16 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all
>>>>>>>> energy needs,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About 6:40
>>>>>>> "they had to have something that was so slick,
>>>>>>>    that was so safe, that was so simple"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an
>>>>>> explanation of
>>>>>> it.  My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a
>>>>>> reactor without creating a disaster.  The real problem with nuclear
>>>>>> power is the generation of waste products.  Interesting also is
>>>>>> that the
>>>>>> video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt
>>>>>> reactor...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the
>>>>>> ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to
>>>>>> validate
>>>>>> the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors
>>>>>> have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium,
>>>>>> it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>
>>>>> [link]
>>>>>
>>>>> oil and wind and other bullshit are obsolete
>>>>>
>>>>> separate seawater into ox n hyd using atomic and runfuel cells that
>>>>> output water
>>>>>
>>>>> capitalism if unregulated woulda had this long ago
>>>>>
>>>>> the reactor shuts itself down if problem, unliek dangerous high
>>>>> pressure ones now
>>>>>
>>>>> india and china are making them, USA needs to de regulate and get
>>>>> this going
>>>>>
>>>>> get hacks like obama and geither away from the wheel
>>>>
>>>> Yep. Molten salt reators are inherently "safe" requiring no human
>>>> intervention to prevent a meltdown. I spent a while about a year
>>>> ago watching numerous videos and presentations about MSR and I must
>>>> admit that it did convince me to the point that I thought someone
>>>> should just go ahead and build one.
>>>>
>>>> And that's exactly what China is doing right now.
>>>>
>>>> US helping China to build MSR:
>>>> [link]
>>>>
>>>> Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power:
>>>> [link]
>>>>
>>>> Lots of coverage of this on the internet. Just do a google.
>>>>
>>>> The Thorium genie is now well and truly out of the bottle.
>>>
>>> And what does China do with the nuclear waste?
>>> Perhaps we can send ours to let them dispose of?
>>>
>>
>> With all the food contamination and other scandals from China,
>> do you seriously have to ask?
>>
>> E.g., pulled from the Internet, the Chinese supposedly have:
>>
>> sold noodles made with pond water used to wash feet and clothes,
>> sold meat injected with brine from bacteria infested pond water,
>> sold fake condoms,
>> sold fake sanitary napkins which were poisonous,
>> sold fake cooking oil made from sewer waste,
>> sold drinking straws contaminated with soluble poisons,
>> sold meat from domestic cats as rabbit meat,
>> sold meat from rats, minks, foxes as lamb,
>> sold imported meat from the 1980's which had thawed and rotted,
>> sold rice contaminated with cadmium,
>> sold milk contaminated with melamine,
>> sold toothpaste contaminated with melamine,
>> sold dog food with an unknown poison lethal to dogs,
>> sold fake chocolates contaminated with insects or moths,
>> sold numerous products contaminated with lead paint,
>> counterfeited anything and everything,
>> etc.
>>
>> While some of that may be internet myths and lies, all of it
>> can't be.  The list goes on and on and is too overwhelming.
>> So, using history as a guide, i.e., former Soviet republics
>> that sold radioactive furniture, and the fact that there is
>> no rule of law in China, they'll likely mix it with something
>> and sell it ... to you and others.  They'll give it to their
>> uneducated and unprotected citizens, in a recycling city,
>> perhaps Guiyu, who'll likely mix it with scrap metal, recycle
>> the metal, make furniture or children's swing sets out of
>> the metal, and then sell the radioactive product.  They seem
>> to like selling radioactive products to France ... according
>> to the internet.
>>
>> Don't forget, there have been numerous metal products found
>> to contain Cobalt-60, which is only made in nuclear reactors,
>> i.e., most likely waste sourced from Russia ...
>
> Wow!  I thought our resident madman was someone else...
>

Said the guy who wants China to take our nuclear waste ...
Everyone knows it's the Italians who take hazardous waste
and bury it illegally for profit, i.e., the triangle of death.


For those of you who don't know what I was talking
about in my prior post of this one, here are links to
Wikipedia pages on the issues:

Triangolo della morte  (Italian triangle of death)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_of_death_(Italy)

Food safety incidents in China  (36 major incidents)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_safety_incidents_in_China

Chinese milk scandal 2008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

Illegal cooking oil made from sewer waste
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil

Radioactive scrap metal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_scrap_metal

Cobalt-60  (scrap metal contamination under "Safety")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt-60

Guiyu, Guandong  (e-waste city)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiyu_%28town%29

Ferrero Rocher wins legal battle against
counterfeit chocolatier from China 2010
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557869/Chocolate-giant-Ferrero-wins-year-battle-Chinese-counterfeiters.html

And, of course, Youtube has numerous videos of "Ferrero
Rocher" chocolates, which are actually counterfeit Chinese
chocolates, infested with maggots, insects, and worms ...


Rod Pemberton

-- 
Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030.
So, I guess we need more global warming today ...

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#41166

On 8/7/2015 12:10 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:28:10 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/2015 8:44 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:25:30 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8/5/2015 3:53 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 08:23:16 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all
>>>>>>>>> energy needs,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> About 6:40
>>>>>>>> "they had to have something that was so slick,
>>>>>>>>    that was so safe, that was so simple"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an
>>>>>>> explanation of
>>>>>>> it.  My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a
>>>>>>> reactor without creating a disaster.  The real problem with nuclear
>>>>>>> power is the generation of waste products.  Interesting also is
>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>> video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt
>>>>>>> reactor...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the
>>>>>>> ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to
>>>>>>> validate
>>>>>>> the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors
>>>>>>> have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used
>>>>>>> thorium,
>>>>>>> it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> oil and wind and other bullshit are obsolete
>>>>>>
>>>>>> separate seawater into ox n hyd using atomic and runfuel cells that
>>>>>> output water
>>>>>>
>>>>>> capitalism if unregulated woulda had this long ago
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the reactor shuts itself down if problem, unliek dangerous high
>>>>>> pressure ones now
>>>>>>
>>>>>> india and china are making them, USA needs to de regulate and get
>>>>>> this going
>>>>>>
>>>>>> get hacks like obama and geither away from the wheel
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. Molten salt reators are inherently "safe" requiring no human
>>>>> intervention to prevent a meltdown. I spent a while about a year
>>>>> ago watching numerous videos and presentations about MSR and I must
>>>>> admit that it did convince me to the point that I thought someone
>>>>> should just go ahead and build one.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that's exactly what China is doing right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> US helping China to build MSR:
>>>>> [link]
>>>>>
>>>>> Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power:
>>>>> [link]
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of coverage of this on the internet. Just do a google.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Thorium genie is now well and truly out of the bottle.
>>>>
>>>> And what does China do with the nuclear waste?
>>>> Perhaps we can send ours to let them dispose of?
>>>>
>>>
>>> With all the food contamination and other scandals from China,
>>> do you seriously have to ask?
>>>
>>> E.g., pulled from the Internet, the Chinese supposedly have:
>>>
>>> sold noodles made with pond water used to wash feet and clothes,
>>> sold meat injected with brine from bacteria infested pond water,
>>> sold fake condoms,
>>> sold fake sanitary napkins which were poisonous,
>>> sold fake cooking oil made from sewer waste,
>>> sold drinking straws contaminated with soluble poisons,
>>> sold meat from domestic cats as rabbit meat,
>>> sold meat from rats, minks, foxes as lamb,
>>> sold imported meat from the 1980's which had thawed and rotted,
>>> sold rice contaminated with cadmium,
>>> sold milk contaminated with melamine,
>>> sold toothpaste contaminated with melamine,
>>> sold dog food with an unknown poison lethal to dogs,
>>> sold fake chocolates contaminated with insects or moths,
>>> sold numerous products contaminated with lead paint,
>>> counterfeited anything and everything,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> While some of that may be internet myths and lies, all of it
>>> can't be.  The list goes on and on and is too overwhelming.
>>> So, using history as a guide, i.e., former Soviet republics
>>> that sold radioactive furniture, and the fact that there is
>>> no rule of law in China, they'll likely mix it with something
>>> and sell it ... to you and others.  They'll give it to their
>>> uneducated and unprotected citizens, in a recycling city,
>>> perhaps Guiyu, who'll likely mix it with scrap metal, recycle
>>> the metal, make furniture or children's swing sets out of
>>> the metal, and then sell the radioactive product.  They seem
>>> to like selling radioactive products to France ... according
>>> to the internet.
>>>
>>> Don't forget, there have been numerous metal products found
>>> to contain Cobalt-60, which is only made in nuclear reactors,
>>> i.e., most likely waste sourced from Russia ...
>>
>> Wow!  I thought our resident madman was someone else...
>>
>
> Said the guy who wants China to take our nuclear waste ...
> Everyone knows it's the Italians who take hazardous waste
> and bury it illegally for profit, i.e., the triangle of death.
>
>
> For those of you who don't know what I was talking
> about in my prior post of this one, here are links to
> Wikipedia pages on the issues:
>
> Triangolo della morte  (Italian triangle of death)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_of_death_(Italy)
>
> Food safety incidents in China  (36 major incidents)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_safety_incidents_in_China
>
> Chinese milk scandal 2008
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal
>
> Illegal cooking oil made from sewer waste
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil
>
> Radioactive scrap metal
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_scrap_metal
>
> Cobalt-60  (scrap metal contamination under "Safety")
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt-60
>
> Guiyu, Guandong  (e-waste city)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiyu_%28town%29
>
> Ferrero Rocher wins legal battle against
> counterfeit chocolatier from China 2010
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557869/Chocolate-giant-Ferrero-wins-year-battle-Chinese-counterfeiters.html
>
>
> And, of course, Youtube has numerous videos of "Ferrero
> Rocher" chocolates, which are actually counterfeit Chinese
> chocolates, infested with maggots, insects, and worms ...
>
>
> Rod Pemberton

Clearly we have found a hot button...

-- 

Rick

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#41213

On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:08:32 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/7/2015 12:10 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:28:10 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2015 8:44 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:25:30 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/5/2015 3:53 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 08:23:16 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2015 2:13 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, polymorph self
>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> check youtube for thorium atomic power, its the answer to all
>>>>>>>>>> energy needs,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> About 6:40
>>>>>>>>> "they had to have something that was so slick,
>>>>>>>>>    that was so safe, that was so simple"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm 14 minutes into the video and I still haven't seen an
>>>>>>>> explanation of
>>>>>>>> it.  My concerns are not just for the inherent safety of operating a
>>>>>>>> reactor without creating a disaster.  The real problem with nuclear
>>>>>>>> power is the generation of waste products.  Interesting also is
>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>> video is about a molten salt reactor, but not a thorium salt
>>>>>>>> reactor...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors have been built (the
>>>>>>>> ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used thorium, it is hard to
>>>>>>>> validate
>>>>>>>> the exact benefits.[4]As only two liquid-core fluoride salt reactors
>>>>>>>> have been built (the ORNL ARE and MSRE) and neither have used
>>>>>>>> thorium,
>>>>>>>> it is hard to validate the exact benefits.[4]"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> oil and wind and other bullshit are obsolete
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> separate seawater into ox n hyd using atomic and runfuel cells that
>>>>>>> output water
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> capitalism if unregulated woulda had this long ago
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the reactor shuts itself down if problem, unliek dangerous high
>>>>>>> pressure ones now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> india and china are making them, USA needs to de regulate and get
>>>>>>> this going
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> get hacks like obama and geither away from the wheel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. Molten salt reators are inherently "safe" requiring no human
>>>>>> intervention to prevent a meltdown. I spent a while about a year
>>>>>> ago watching numerous videos and presentations about MSR and I must
>>>>>> admit that it did convince me to the point that I thought someone
>>>>>> should just go ahead and build one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that's exactly what China is doing right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> US helping China to build MSR:
>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chinese going for broke on thorium nuclear power:
>>>>>> [link]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of coverage of this on the internet. Just do a google.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Thorium genie is now well and truly out of the bottle.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what does China do with the nuclear waste?
>>>>> Perhaps we can send ours to let them dispose of?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With all the food contamination and other scandals from China,
>>>> do you seriously have to ask?
>>>>
>>>> E.g., pulled from the Internet, the Chinese supposedly have:
>>>>
>>>> sold noodles made with pond water used to wash feet and clothes,
>>>> sold meat injected with brine from bacteria infested pond water,
>>>> sold fake condoms,
>>>> sold fake sanitary napkins which were poisonous,
>>>> sold fake cooking oil made from sewer waste,
>>>> sold drinking straws contaminated with soluble poisons,
>>>> sold meat from domestic cats as rabbit meat,
>>>> sold meat from rats, minks, foxes as lamb,
>>>> sold imported meat from the 1980's which had thawed and rotted,
>>>> sold rice contaminated with cadmium,
>>>> sold milk contaminated with melamine,
>>>> sold toothpaste contaminated with melamine,
>>>> sold dog food with an unknown poison lethal to dogs,
>>>> sold fake chocolates contaminated with insects or moths,
>>>> sold numerous products contaminated with lead paint,
>>>> counterfeited anything and everything,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> While some of that may be internet myths and lies, all of it
>>>> can't be.  The list goes on and on and is too overwhelming.
>>>> So, using history as a guide, i.e., former Soviet republics
>>>> that sold radioactive furniture, and the fact that there is
>>>> no rule of law in China, they'll likely mix it with something
>>>> and sell it ... to you and others.  They'll give it to their
>>>> uneducated and unprotected citizens, in a recycling city,
>>>> perhaps Guiyu, who'll likely mix it with scrap metal, recycle
>>>> the metal, make furniture or children's swing sets out of
>>>> the metal, and then sell the radioactive product.  They seem
>>>> to like selling radioactive products to France ... according
>>>> to the internet.
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget, there have been numerous metal products found
>>>> to contain Cobalt-60, which is only made in nuclear reactors,
>>>> i.e., most likely waste sourced from Russia ...
>>>
>>> Wow!  I thought our resident madman was someone else...
>>>
>>
>> Said the guy who wants China to take our nuclear waste ...
>> Everyone knows it's the Italians who take hazardous waste
>> and bury it illegally for profit, i.e., the triangle of death.
>>
>>
>> For those of you who don't know what I was talking
>> about in my prior post of this one, here are links to
>> Wikipedia pages on the issues:
>>
>> Triangolo della morte  (Italian triangle of death)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_of_death_(Italy)
>>
>> Food safety incidents in China  (36 major incidents)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_safety_incidents_in_China
>>
>> Chinese milk scandal 2008
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal
>>
>> Illegal cooking oil made from sewer waste
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil
>>
>> Radioactive scrap metal
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_scrap_metal
>>
>> Cobalt-60  (scrap metal contamination under "Safety")
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt-60
>>
>> Guiyu, Guandong  (e-waste city)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiyu_%28town%29
>>
>> Ferrero Rocher wins legal battle against
>> counterfeit chocolatier from China 2010
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557869/Chocolate-giant-Ferrero-wins-year-battle-Chinese-counterfeiters.html
>>
>>
>> And, of course, Youtube has numerous videos of "Ferrero
>> Rocher" chocolates, which are actually counterfeit Chinese
>> chocolates, infested with maggots, insects, and worms ...
>>
>
> Clearly we have found a hot button...
>

What?  So, none of those are significant or
relevant enough for you?

How about global warming?  (cue the music)

The greens, earthers, liberals killed the nuclear
industry in the United States in the 1970's.  The
U.S. then built thousands of coal burning power
plants afterwards.  The U.S. burned the fossil fuel
for over four decades contributing to green house
gases which cause global warming.  The greens,
typified by high profile celebrities and politicians,
like Jane Fonda and Al Gore, now want to control the
problem which they created by "doing good."  Not
only that, but they now want to profit from their
mess by creating emissions controls and carbon
regulations which can be bought and sold for
profits.  What a bunch of hypocrites.


Rod Pemberton

-- 
Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030.
So, I guess we need more global warming today ...

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