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  i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-11-30 18:09 -0800
    Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 05:36 -0800
      Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 19:32 -0800
        Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 00:10 -0800
          Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 02:16 -0800
            Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 02:59 -0800
              Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 11:49 -0800
                Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 14:03 -0800
                  Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-04 21:44 -0800
                    Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2013-12-05 03:02 -0800
                      Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-05 21:53 -0800
    Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 21:33 -0800
      Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-12-03 23:29 +1100
        Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 11:49 -0800
        Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 11:57 -0800
        Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-04 02:35 -0800
          Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-12-04 12:10 +0000
            Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-04 04:25 -0800
          Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-04 21:25 -0800
          Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-04 21:28 -0800
            Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communistsandcapitalims haters "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-12-08 21:49 +1100
              Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communistsandcapitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-08 11:31 -0800
              Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communistsandcapitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-08 11:33 -0800
                Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc ofcommunistsandcapitalims haters "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-12-11 21:03 +1100
                  Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc ofcommunistsandcapitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-12 02:44 -0800
          Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <notagoodone@invalid.org.invalid> - 2013-12-11 17:13 +0000
            Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-13 02:15 -0800
    Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-10 23:53 -0800
      Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2013-12-11 05:37 -0800
        Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-12 02:46 -0800
          Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2013-12-12 05:29 -0800
            Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-13 02:15 -0800
              Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2013-12-13 04:29 -0800
                Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2013-12-13 10:42 -0500
                  Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-12-13 16:51 +0000
                    Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2013-12-13 16:47 -0500
                    Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-13 23:59 -0800
                  Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2013-12-13 13:00 -0800
                    Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 00:16 -0800
                Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-13 23:58 -0800
      Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <notagoodone@invalid.org.invalid> - 2013-12-11 16:50 +0000
        Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists and capitalims haters the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-12-12 02:46 -0800

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#27185 — Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communistsandcapitalims haters

the_gavino_himself wrote:
>  ...
> why isn't everyone a rich MBA businesperson riding ina limo if its free?

Mark didn't say it was free.  What he said was that it cost him nothing extra.
It is the benefit which accrues from a universal health system in which costs
are kept in check as a result of there being *one* purchaser of services and
pharmaceuticals.

As regards the assertion that public health is inferior to private - let your
citizens decide.  If private health be superior then it has nothing to fear.

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#27193 — Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communistsandcapitalims haters

I want 0 commy gov medical so each citizen CAN decide

when gov runs it

politicians decide

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#27194 — Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communistsandcapitalims haters

why do commies not simply give everyone a free house?

take all unemplyed and give them building house job


I dont get why if your guna be a commy

why not be a good ish commy

why do something like obamacare where instead of traning 16,000 new doctors, you hire 16,000 new IRS agents

that is guaranteed to up cost and lower service, since burocrats are non productive

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#27214 — Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc ofcommunistsandcapitalims haters

the_gavino_himself wrote:
> why do commies not simply give everyone a free house?
>
> take all unemplyed and give them building house job
>
>
> I dont get why if your guna be a commy
>
> why not be a good ish commy
>
> why do something like obamacare where instead of traning 16,000 new doctors, you hire 16,000
> new IRS agents
>
> that is guaranteed to up cost and lower service, since burocrats are non productive

"The World Health Organization says, "The U. S. health system spends a higher portion
of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries
according to its performance."
This puts to rest the tired notion that the American "free market" pushes for the most
efficient and least expensive system. In fact, we are the least efficient healthcare in the
industrialized world."

http://www.examiner.com/article/why-change-the-us-has-the-37th-best-health-care-system-the-world

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#27239 — Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc ofcommunistsandcapitalims haters

goofy eurocommy lists like this also rank france #1

and france had a haet wave during summer and 30,000 old people died

LOL

so you can wipe your ass with such lists

usa is by FAR #1 medical

by far far far

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#27221 — Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 10:35:50 -0000, Mark Wills  
<markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

A lovely tale of NHS v. US healthcare; but not Forth.
>
> If it had happened in America, I'd have probably lost my house, or she'd  
> have died, or both.


-- 
It's a money /life balance.

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#27251 — Re: i didn't realize many forther swere such a pakc of communists andcapitalims haters

how about mine where my aunt died due to NHS?

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#27213

hows the communism folks?
:)

lower regulations and gov spending and prices fall and your paycheck gets bigger as do your investments tax free

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#27216

FYI: there's never been a single communist country...

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#27240

fyi 

communist countries

russia
cuba
north korea
china

yeah

fascism/socialism/communism all same thing

reality is

or as ayn rand would say A is A

separate your mental utopia with what men do when you implement socialism/fascism/communism

the answer is unregualted capitalism to liberalize economy and help poor become rich

working examples: usa and hong kong!

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#27244

Can you explain, why slavery was cancelled is USA only after civil war 1861-1865? If you found answer, other than 'because american people very likes freedom and very hates slavery', you have a chance to understand something.

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#27250

Slavery was around in greek times.  The americans who loved it were mostly democrats who yes lost that war.   It was since abolished.

Russia had more slaves and murders under communism that america by a factor of 1000 or more. 

:)

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#27258

When my son becomes tired because of his lessons, I always have an effective, but slightly non-pedagogical method. I ask him, does he really wants to be like americans? He is always take offense and returns back to lessons. He don't want to be fat, non-wise and relying on the money only... :) 

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#27260

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:29:38 -0500, Ilya Tarasov  
<ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote:

> When my son becomes tired because of his lessons, I always have an  
> effective, but slightly non-pedagogical method. I ask him, does he  
> really wants to be like americans? He is always take offense and returns  
> back to lessons. He don't want to be fat, non-wise and relying on the  
> money only... :)

So, you're teaching him intolerance of people who are
different from him in arbitrary and trivial ways.

That's like a "pot calling the kettle black"...

How is teaching nationalism to a child any different
 from teaching him racism or anti-semitism?

Are you teaching him Ukrainians or Georgians are
bad too, but Russians aren't?  Are you teaching
him Christians or Jews are good but atheists
are bad too?  Or, perhaps, you're teaching him
the opposite of those?

These are ways to justify discrimination against
and mistreatment of a large group of other people.
If you teach your son Americans are bad, it only
takes acceptance of a slight variation of that
belief for him to embrace other forms of intolerance
such as racism, eugenics, slavery, anti-semitism, etc.


Rod Pemberton

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#27261

In article <op.w71e9hby5zc71u@localhost>,
Rod Pemberton <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> wrote:

<SNIP>

>On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:29:38 -0500, Ilya Tarasov
><ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When my son becomes tired because of his lessons, I always have an
>> effective, but slightly non-pedagogical method. I ask him, does he
>> really wants to be like americans? He is always take offense and returns
>> back to lessons. He don't want to be fat, non-wise and relying on the
>> money only... :)
>
>These are ways to justify discrimination against
>and mistreatment of a large group of other people.
>If you teach your son Americans are bad, it only
>takes acceptance of a slight variation of that
>belief for him to embrace other forms of intolerance
>such as racism, eugenics, slavery, anti-semitism, etc.

The USA is an excellent example of what not to do in terms of economy, food
habits, weapon control, education, judicial system, patents, solidarity,
monetary system, conformance to internation treaties and other things.

To learn from bad examples has nothing to do with discrimination.

>
>
>Rod Pemberton

gavino is in my kill file.

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#27263

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:51:24 -0500, Albert van der Horst  
<albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> In article <op.w71e9hby5zc71u@localhost>,
> Rod Pemberton <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> wrote:

> The USA is an excellent example of what not to do in terms of economy,
> food habits, weapon control, education, judicial system, patents,  
> solidarity,
> monetary system, conformance to internation[al] treaties and other  
> things.
>

Most here would argue that only a few of those have issues and they're
not serious or long-term issues.

To me, it's interesting you brought up food.  Apparently, many food
companies from countries in the EU are attempting to use free trade
agreements to push lower quality, and higher cost foods into the US
market.  According to our news sources, this food doesn't meet our
food requirements.  Apparently, the EU has even more strict food
requirements than the US.  So, the food the EU is attempting to export
to our country doesn't meet the EU's food requirements either.
I take this as a proxy that our economy is an example of what to do,
at least in terms of food.

For the EU, off the top of my head, I can cite organized crime, lack of
social mobility, generally lower per capita income, high long term
unemployment in multiple countries, issues with safe, effective, legal
waste disposal, numerous failed and debt ridden economies, lack of
certain important rights, authoritarian governments, invasive
spying on citizens, food control, quality, and safety issues (e.g.,
horse meat scandal), etc.

Well, you stated that those are bad examples.  Apparently, that just's
your opinion since you didn't provide any justification for those beliefs.
I.e., where does the negative perception you have come from?  Do you
expect it to be obvious to all that read what you said?  Do you expect
it to be obvious to Americans?  It's clearly not based on the issues
presented here by our news sources.  My thoughts on a few of those
are below.

Our economy will improve immensely when a Republican President is elected,
and somewhat more modestly if a Democrat with different, pro-business views
is elected.  Democrats are never concerned about money, jobs, wealth,  
economy.
They're only concerned about societal ills, most of which are result of
poverty resulting from a bad economy.  I.e., the policies of our current
President are almost entirely to blame for the current economic situation.

Our education system is going through a process of change with tougher
teaching standards and providing a common curriculum nationwide. This is
currently believed to be a major improvement.  A few years ago, most
states implemented more rigorous testing requirements for teachers.
Unfortunately, that wasn't at the federal level like the new curriculum.
So, not all states are providing better trained teachers for students.
Most of the schools that are and have been underperforming are in poverty
stricken areas where they can't afford better teachers, or where those
teachers are afraid to work due to crime which is also a symptom of
poverty.

Our obesity issue is well publicized.  The issue is I don't see any
fat people like they show on the news...  I've only seen one person
that fat in my life.  The 1980's and 1990's there was a huge health
and exercise movement throughout much of the US.  Does that mean
Americans still exercise enough?  No.  They've gained a few pounds.
So, Americans are now aware of health issues like diabetes related
to obesity, over-eating, lack of exercise, and fast food.  Changes
to personal, government, school, and corporation food have taken place,
or will.  Fats, unhealthy oils, salts have been reduced in nearly
all sources of food here.  Recently, many larger cities have been
creating spaces where people can get more exercise, like bike trails
and right-of-way for bikes on roads.  Most suburban and rural areas
have plenty of trails.  Almost all areas have plenty of parks for
physical recreation.

Obviously, cheaper food costs are hindered immensely in America by
animal rights activists whose activities improve the welfare of animals
at the expense of society, especially the poor.  Of course, much of
the obesity epidemic can be traced to those in poverty who can't
afford healthy food, and generally won't buy healthy food even when
provided with government food subsidies.

Poverty, of course, is fixable in a capitalist society, usually rather
easily and directly by those in poverty, if only they take action.  There
are many social services by our government, such as food, healthcare,
energy, water, heating subsidies, and numerous non-profit companies and
foundations which help the poor.  Free or subsidized education and job
training are available too.  After which, it's just a matter of them
obtaining a job and working.  That's something many don't want to do.

The one thing you can't say America doesn't do is change.  It changes
rapidly to address issues, at least, compared to the EU, Russia, South
Africa, Brazil, China, and the rest of the world for that matter.

> To learn from bad examples has nothing to do with discrimination.
>

Well, then I think you'd suggest I say that to Alex the every time
he confuses and conflates discussion or mention of race with racism.


Rod Pemberton

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#27265

On Friday, December 13, 2013 8:51:24 AM UTC-8, Albert van der Horst wrote:
> In article <op.w71e9hby5zc71u@localhost>,
> 
> Rod Pemberton <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
> 
> 
> >On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:29:38 -0500, Ilya Tarasov
> 
> ><ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >> When my son becomes tired because of his lessons, I always have an
> 
> >> effective, but slightly non-pedagogical method. I ask him, does he
> 
> >> really wants to be like americans? He is always take offense and returns
> 
> >> back to lessons. He don't want to be fat, non-wise and relying on the
> 
> >> money only... :)
> 
> >
> 
> >These are ways to justify discrimination against
> 
> >and mistreatment of a large group of other people.
> 
> >If you teach your son Americans are bad, it only
> 
> >takes acceptance of a slight variation of that
> 
> >belief for him to embrace other forms of intolerance
> 
> >such as racism, eugenics, slavery, anti-semitism, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> The USA is an excellent example of what not to do in terms of economy, food
> 
> habits, weapon control, education, judicial system, patents, solidarity,
> 
> monetary system, conformance to internation treaties and other things.
> 
> 
> 
> To learn from bad examples has nothing to do with discrimination.
> 
> 
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >Rod Pemberton
> 
> 
> 
> gavino is in my kill file.
> 
> 
> 
> Groetjes Albert
> 
> -- 
> 
> Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
> 
> Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
> 
> albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

This is such a wild bunch of words.
USA is best example in world of how to run a country and an economy.
If whole world were like usa we would all be richer and happier.
If usa would boot all democrats who wish to be liek socailsit bankrupt europe we would be better off and freer here in usa.

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#27262

I'm teach him to show respect to all peoples regardless of their nationality. His reaction based on the US films and cartoons. It is only his conclusions. I'm already notice it is non-pedagogical, but it is very effective way to motivate him to learn. When he meet someone real from USA with another character and another priorities, he changes his point of view.

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#27266

On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:00:53 PM UTC-8, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
> I'm teach him to show respect to all peoples regardless of their nationality. His reaction based on the US films and cartoons. It is only his conclusions. I'm already notice it is non-pedagogical, but it is very effective way to motivate him to learn. When he meet someone real from USA with another character and another priorities, he changes his point of view.

I think you can teach him anything you want.  He is your son.  Thats part fo freedom we americans cherish.
Cartoons from 80s are far better.

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#27264

On Friday, December 13, 2013 4:29:38 AM UTC-8, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
> When my son becomes tired because of his lessons, I always have an effective, but slightly non-pedagogical method. I ask him, does he really wants to be like americans? He is always take offense and returns back to lessons. He don't want to be fat, non-wise and relying on the money only... :)

Well who wants to be fat and unwize?
Relying on money?
Money is not bad in an of itself...
It's better to have money but many say money doesn't buy happiness.
It does however let you be miserable comfortably.
It's good you teach him to be happy.

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