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  Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:20 -0500
    Re: Editors Used for Forth François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2017-02-16 14:32 -0800
    Re: Editors Used for Forth Heinrich Hohl <hheinrich.hohl@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:59 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-02-17 08:38 +0000
        Re: Editors Used for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-02-17 10:51 +0100
          Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 05:11 -0500
            Re: Editors Used for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-02-17 11:25 +0100
    Re: Editors Used for Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-02-16 23:16 +0000
      Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 18:26 -0500
        Re: Editors Used for Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 18:57 -0800
          Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:29 -0500
            Re: Editors Used for Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:49 -0800
            Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 20:26 -0800
              Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 01:36 -0500
                Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 23:07 -0800
            Re: Editors Used for Forth luser droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-16 22:32 -0800
          Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 20:24 -0800
            Re: Editors Used for Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 21:16 -0800
        Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 20:23 -0800
        Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 21:12 -0800
          Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 01:20 -0500
            Re: Editors Used for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:28 +0200
        Re: Editors Used for Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-02-18 06:11 +0000
    Re: Editors Used for Forth jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2017-02-16 15:30 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 18:38 -0500
    Re: Editors Used for Forth stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-02-16 23:58 +0000
    Re: Editors Used for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:28 +0200
    Re: Editors Used for Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2017-02-17 00:50 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-02-17 11:10 +0100
    Re: Editors Used for Forth Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 02:02 -0800
    Re: Editors Used for Forth Jürgen <BitCruncher@gmx-topmail.de> - 2017-02-17 15:52 +0000
    Re: Editors Used for Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 08:51 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2017-02-18 10:02 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth luser droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-18 17:26 -0800
        Re: Editors Used for Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 02:24 -0800
          Re: Editors Used for Forth Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-02-19 12:23 +0000
            Re: Editors Used for Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 07:20 -0800
    Re: Editors Used for Forth josv@planet.nl - 2017-02-19 04:40 -0800
    Re: Editors Used for Forth grahameblackwood@gmail.com - 2017-02-21 06:54 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth minforth@arcor.de - 2017-02-21 07:46 -0800

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#54915

On 2/17/2017 12:12 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> Yes, I've been meaning to switch to Emacs for some time now,
>
>     "I use emacs, which might be thought of as a thermonuclear word
>     processor... If you are a professional writer... emacs outshines all
>     other editing software in approximately the same way that the
>     noonday sun does the stars. It is not just bigger and brighter; it
>     simply makes everything else vanish."
>
>      --Neal Stephenson, 1998
>      In the Beginning was the Command Line
>
>      via: http://www.danfowler.net/resources/emacs_talk/

Thermonuclear as in the only thing still working when all around is down?

-- 

Rick C

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#54916

On 17/02/2017 8:20, rickman wrote:
> On 2/17/2017 12:12 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:
>> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Yes, I've been meaning to switch to Emacs for some time now,
>>
>>     "I use emacs, which might be thought of as a thermonuclear word
>>     processor... If you are a professional writer... emacs outshines all
>>     other editing software in approximately the same way that the
>>     noonday sun does the stars. It is not just bigger and brighter; it
>>     simply makes everything else vanish."
>>
>>      --Neal Stephenson, 1998
>>      In the Beginning was the Command Line
>>
>>      via: http://www.danfowler.net/resources/emacs_talk/
> 
> Thermonuclear as in the only thing still working when all around is down?

For an operating-system, emacs is a passable editor...

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#54957

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>On 2/16/2017 6:16 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>>> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable
>>> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been
>>> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for
>>> some time now.
>>>
>>> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something
>>> supported under both Windows and Linux.
>>
>> I use Emacs, and it works on both Windows and Linux.
>
>Yes, I've been meaning to switch to Emacs for some time now, but when I 
>gave it a first attempt I found it a bit daunting.  It's not like 
>anything I've used before.  How do you suggest a newbie go about getting 
>up and running?

Print out the Emacs reference card

https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/refcards/pdf/refcard.pdf

and then start using it for your daily work.  When you have to do
something, and you guess that Emacs has special support for it (either
built-in or through an add-on package), look in the docs for it, or
Google for it.  Of course you will still miss a lot of things that it
can do, but Emacs is like an Encyclopedia: You don't learn everything
that's in it, just what you need.

- anton
-- 
M. Anton Ertl  http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
     New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
   EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/

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#54900

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 10:20:23 PM UTC, rickman wrote:
> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable 
> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been 
> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for 
> some time now.
> 
> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something 
> supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

It is not free (except for on the Raspberry Pi), but if you use/d CodeWright
for its Brief-style key bindings, then you might like the CriSP editor.

It is heavily-multiplatform and very capable. You can extend it with macros
written in its own 'crunch' language (a bit C-like but with elements of Perl).
I also think the author is moving towards some internal support via Python.

The macro language is extremely capable - most of the system including
windows, dialog boxes etc., is written in it. AFAIK there is still a text-mode
version as well, if you want the complete Brief experience.

It has been written and maintained for many years and is genuinely
multiplatform. It is marketed in the States via 'Vital, inc.' (whose
website seems to be on a revamp):

    http://www.crisp.com

I have written with many editors over they years but loved the Brief key
bindings. Like you, perhaps, I went to CodeWright and stuck with that for
many years. Crisp is my day-to-day editor on both Linux and Windows and
I would not want to be without it, having added more than a few extensions of
my own to it.

I should say that it is basically the product of one (British) programmer,
responding to scratching his own itches, and those of his customers. So some
parts of the system are a little quirky. However IMO the benefits outweigh
the oddities. I'd have thought it might well appeal to a Forth (ahem) hacker.

Oh, it has keyword and syntax colouring support for many languages, including
VHDL ;-)

As always with editors, YM*Will*V.

    Jon N

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#54901

On 2/16/2017 6:30 PM, jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 10:20:23 PM UTC, rickman wrote:
>> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable
>> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been
>> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for
>> some time now.
>>
>> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something
>> supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C
>
> It is not free (except for on the Raspberry Pi), but if you use/d CodeWright
> for its Brief-style key bindings, then you might like the CriSP editor.
>
> It is heavily-multiplatform and very capable. You can extend it with macros
> written in its own 'crunch' language (a bit C-like but with elements of Perl).
> I also think the author is moving towards some internal support via Python.
>
> The macro language is extremely capable - most of the system including
> windows, dialog boxes etc., is written in it. AFAIK there is still a text-mode
> version as well, if you want the complete Brief experience.
>
> It has been written and maintained for many years and is genuinely
> multiplatform. It is marketed in the States via 'Vital, inc.' (whose
> website seems to be on a revamp):
>
>     http://www.crisp.com
>
> I have written with many editors over they years but loved the Brief key
> bindings. Like you, perhaps, I went to CodeWright and stuck with that for
> many years. Crisp is my day-to-day editor on both Linux and Windows and
> I would not want to be without it, having added more than a few extensions of
> my own to it.
>
> I should say that it is basically the product of one (British) programmer,
> responding to scratching his own itches, and those of his customers. So some
> parts of the system are a little quirky. However IMO the benefits outweigh
> the oddities. I'd have thought it might well appeal to a Forth (ahem) hacker.
>
> Oh, it has keyword and syntax colouring support for many languages, including
> VHDL ;-)
>
> As always with editors, YM*Will*V.

I've seen the term brief key binding many times, but never knew exactly 
what it was.  I assume it is the specific connections between control 
keys and actions?  I don't know that I use many control keys in CW other 
than ^B for the block select thing.  Of course they use Windows ^X, ^C 
and ^Z.  I also use F3 for repeat search sometimes.

-- 

Rick C

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#54902

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:20:22 -0500, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable 
>Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been 
>meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for 
>some time now.

Until a couple of years ago, UltraEdit was a model of a high-quality
editor that oozed quality in the sense that Joel Spolsky talked
about it. Now I'm not so sure. However, it's not expensive and it's
available for Windows, Mac and Linux.

For the FOSS weenies, Geany is quite acceptable.

Stephen

-- 
Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com
MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

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#54914

On 17/02/2017 0:20, rickman wrote:

> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something
> supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?

vim

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#54921

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 11:20:23 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable
> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been
> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for
> some time now.
 
> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something
> supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?

Switching editors is an unbearable thought, not because the
one you have is so good, but because it is in your muscle memory.

For Forth on Windows I prefer to use Textpad
(from Helios / commercial but very affordable).
For >2000 file C projects I would die if I didn't
have the Visual Studio Editor :-)

For use from the windows command line, bash,
Cygwin64 and SPICE I prefer Joe.
Joe is also my preferred editor on
Linux (Forth and everything else).

I have not yet seen the perfect editor.
To me, it would allow to create
paper/book-style documents where the default
editable object is Forth text.
It would work best if the editor
seamlessly integrated / is programmable
in / with Forth.

-marcel

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#54924

In article <ac8175d7-98b8-497d-8f36-d18a07226272@googlegroups.com>,
 <mhx@iae.nl> wrote:
 <SNIP>
>Switching editors is an unbearable thought, not because the
>one you have is so good, but because it is in your muscle memory.

That is the most central truth to editors, and the reason why
people think their editor is the best, and rationalize that.

I go with an editor I've the source for. In 1980's Edwin created
an editor that was the imbecile bastard child of vi and emacs.
I was used to Wordstar (Osborne!) and configured ee (Edwin's
editor) like Wordstar. From the get-go it has easy switching between
files, 1] and I convinced Edwin to always read in the whole file,
(but not wait for it.)
Key reprogramming is better than anywhere else, because there is
no distinction between basic commands, macro's, key strokes and
function keys.
It now does routinely the Gigbayte files I create for testing Euler
problems.

So it ran on Xenix MSDOS (emacs on MSDOS? No way) and all OS's
that has a form of curses.

I should port it to Forth, some time. And do some of the improvements
like per directory (read per project) automatic configuration.

>
>-marcel

Groetjes Albert

1] Multi-file editing, usable over a 300 baud modem!
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#54923

пятница, 17 февраля 2017 г., 1:20:23 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал:
> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable 
> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been 
> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for 
> some time now.
> 
> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something 
> supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?

SynEdit component in Lazarus IDE (I have IDE written in Lazarus special for Forth). It can be compiled on Linux too, but I didn't it yet.

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#54930

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Am Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:20:22 -0500 schrieb rickman:

> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable
> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been
> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for
> some time now.
> 
> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something
> supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?

I like MinED.  

   http://towo.net/mined

Once configured, I can use the editor in various systems for different 
requirements, also for writing Forth code.

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#54972

Is it possible to make an editor in ANS Forth? It would be nice, but I have no idea how...

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#54975

On Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 5:51:12 PM UTC+1, lehs wrote:
> Is it possible to make an editor in ANS Forth? It would be 
> nice, but I have no idea how...

The iForth distribution contains LF (by Leo Wong)
and SZ (by Tom Zimmer).

"LF (pronounced aleph) is a NPBP (not pretty but portable)
ANS Forth word processor."

SZ:
"In this file I will develop the code for an editor.
 This is a fairly simple editor, with a limited set
 of functions. It works with standard text files where
 lines are terminated with a carriage return and a
 linefeed." 

-marcel

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#54986

On Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 10:51:12 AM UTC-6, lehs wrote:
> Is it possible to make an editor in ANS Forth? It would be nice, but I have no idea how...

I've done some work on an editor for my APL interpreter. The best guide
I've found is this free book, /The Craft of Text Editing/.

https://www.finseth.com/craft/

I posted my draft (in C) to comp.unix.programmer,

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.unix.programmer/ammG9lJbUNE/discussion

My version is also heavily influenced by (my limited understanding of)
LISP reader macros. So input characters are mapped through (possibly
several) tables of function pointers.

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#55000

Den söndag 19 februari 2017 kl. 02:26:26 UTC+1 skrev luser droog:
> On Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 10:51:12 AM UTC-6, lehs wrote:
> > Is it possible to make an editor in ANS Forth? It would be nice, but I have no idea how...
> 
> I've done some work on an editor for my APL interpreter. The best guide
> I've found is this free book, /The Craft of Text Editing/.
> 
> https://www.finseth.com/craft/
> 
> I posted my draft (in C) to comp.unix.programmer,
> 
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.unix.programmer/ammG9lJbUNE/discussion
> 
> My version is also heavily influenced by (my limited understanding of)
> LISP reader macros. So input characters are mapped through (possibly
> several) tables of function pointers.

I'm aware of that is possible to make an old fashion screen editor in ANS Forth with help of EKEY and AT-XY, but would anyone really use an editor without pointing device and clipboard facilities?

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#55006

On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 02:24:25 -0800 (PST)
lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm aware of that is possible to make an old fashion screen
> editor in ANS Forth with help of EKEY and AT-XY, but would
> anyone really use an editor without pointing device and
> clipboard facilities?

The last time I used a block editor the clipbord function was
available by copying/cutting lines into a buffer, which could be
pulled back, one line per keypress, as in the nano editor. 

To create a gap in the text you could move blocks, so adding or 
inserting text needs manual layout planning.  

Would a pointing device help much to navigate a 16 x 64 text 
window and a small group of single control key initiated 
commands?

Adding a block editor to a small system with spare flash could
upgrade it to a full development system accessible remotely via
a serial connection. (In the rare case where you might need or
prefer this)

Jan Coombs 

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#55010

Den söndag 19 februari 2017 kl. 13:23:26 UTC+1 skrev Jan Coombs:
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 02:24:25 -0800 (PST)
> lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm aware of that is possible to make an old fashion screen
> > editor in ANS Forth with help of EKEY and AT-XY, but would
> > anyone really use an editor without pointing device and
> > clipboard facilities?
> 
> The last time I used a block editor the clipbord function was
> available by copying/cutting lines into a buffer, which could be
> pulled back, one line per keypress, as in the nano editor. 
> 
> To create a gap in the text you could move blocks, so adding or 
> inserting text needs manual layout planning.  
> 
> Would a pointing device help much to navigate a 16 x 64 text 
> window and a small group of single control key initiated 
> commands?
> 
> Adding a block editor to a small system with spare flash could
> upgrade it to a full development system accessible remotely via
> a serial connection. (In the rare case where you might need or
> prefer this)
> 
> Jan Coombs

I wan't an extendable Forth editor, but for files, not for blocks.

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#55007

Hi,

I use Win32forthIDE, for Win32Forth or Gforth on a Raspberry pi.
The project manager allows fast switching between sources.
For Gforth it works through a stable Wi-Fi connection.

Jos

On 16 februari 2017 23:20:23 UTC+1 rickman Wrote:
> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable 
> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been 
> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for 
> some time now.
> 
> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something 
> supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

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#55028

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 10:20:23 PM UTC, rickman wrote:
> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable 
> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been 
> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for 
> some time now.
> 
> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something 
> supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

Hi Rick

I use vim for all my writing and coding. I wish it had been available more than 30 years ago when I typed in fig-forth 8080 assembler listing using cpm's context line editor!

Cheers

G

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#55030

Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2017 15:54:30 UTC+1 schrieb grahameb...@gmail.com:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 10:20:23 PM UTC, rickman wrote:
> > I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable 
> > Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been 
> > meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for 
> > some time now.
> > 
> > What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something 
> > supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Rick C
> 
> Hi Rick
> 
> I use vim for all my writing and coding. I wish it had been available more than 30 years ago when I typed in fig-forth 8080 assembler listing using cpm's context line editor!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> G

jEDIT is cross-platform and comes with a Forth syntax highlighter (it says)

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