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Go Forth And Prosper

Started byJason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com>
First post2014-05-20 09:23 -0700
Last post2014-05-25 13:27 -0700
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  Go Forth And Prosper Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-20 09:23 -0700
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 10:32 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 09:57 +0400
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 03:03 -0400
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 00:40 -0700
          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:01 -0700
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 20:35 +0400
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-24 19:35 +0000
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:17 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-24 16:57 -1000
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-25 00:39 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 05:00 -0400
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-25 09:02 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 12:32 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper babruehl@gmail.com - 2014-05-25 12:36 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 15:43 -0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-25 13:02 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 13:14 -0700
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 13:05 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 17:04 -0400
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 15:44 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 12:01 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 17:33 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 18:08 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 23:44 -0400
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:29 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 11:12 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 11:18 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-27 15:50 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:12 +0100
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 19:19 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 11:41 +0400
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 17:38 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 08:13 +0400
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 17:57 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 08:30 +0400
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 21:44 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 09:01 +0400
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 22:09 -0700
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 10:26 +0400
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 23:34 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 12:32 +0400
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 09:37 -0700
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 21:32 +0400
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 10:49 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 11:40 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 12:13 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:41 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 11:03 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 11:24 +0400
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 00:35 -0700
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 15:56 +0400
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-27 10:34 -0700
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 16:53 -0400
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-27 20:43 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 01:57 -0400
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-27 10:28 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:37 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 17:29 +0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 10:56 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 11:31 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 12:12 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 12:50 -0700
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 15:54 -0400
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 13:10 -0700
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 13:32 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 14:01 -0700
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 20:50 -0400
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 19:13 -0700
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 23:50 -0400
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:51 -0700
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 00:03 -0700
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 03:19 -0400
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 00:33 -0700
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 00:43 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 01:18 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 05:18 -0700
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 00:42 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 13:53 -1000
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 20:13 -0700
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 17:34 -1000
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 21:49 -0700
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 20:33 -1000
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 13:48 -1000
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 20:24 -0700
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 17:44 -1000
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 21:01 -0700
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 00:08 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 12:39 -0700
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-27 13:36 -1000
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 19:53 -0700
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-27 18:11 -1000
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 08:57 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-29 09:42 +0000
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 15:03 -0700
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-30 00:23 +0000
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 02:04 -0400
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper test <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-28 04:54 -0400
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-28 10:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 06:51 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 13:35 -0400
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 10:43 -0700
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 09:19 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 13:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 12:20 -0700
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-28 13:28 -0700
                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 17:54 -0700
                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-28 19:13 -0700
                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 23:17 -0400
                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 11:27 -0700
                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 11:51 -0700
                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 13:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 13:26 -0700
                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 13:48 -0700
                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 14:02 -0700
                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 14:45 -0700
                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 14:37 -0700
                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 15:05 -0700
                                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 15:31 -0700
                                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 15:50 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 16:11 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 16:43 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 17:00 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 17:58 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-30 01:31 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-31 14:15 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:29 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 22:47 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 20:24 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 23:35 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 20:55 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 20:41 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 00:22 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 21:41 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 01:28 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 08:33 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 13:05 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-30 11:47 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 13:07 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 14:14 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 21:04 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 12:34 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 23:41 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 17:27 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 15:05 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 18:15 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 17:45 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 21:53 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 19:13 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 19:45 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 21:27 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 19:39 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-30 11:37 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 20:16 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 21:32 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-31 02:49 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-31 19:15 +0200
                                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:18 +0200
                                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 08:41 -0700
                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 09:53 +0200
                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 09:50 +0400
                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 11:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 09:55 +0400
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 23:26 -0700
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-28 04:56 -0400
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 09:39 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 09:46 -0700
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 10:18 -0700
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 10:28 -0700
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:57 -0500
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 10:39 -0700
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 10:47 -0700
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 20:45 +0200
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 11:49 -0700
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 22:08 -0400
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-29 09:46 +0000
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-31 13:00 -0700
                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-31 23:07 +0000
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 06:37 -0700
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 20:39 -0400
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 16:03 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 09:43 +0200
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 00:45 -0700
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 12:40 +0200
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 11:46 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:47 +0200
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-27 10:54 -0700
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:49 +0200
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-28 12:52 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 12:24 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 12:28 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 03:21 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:33 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 19:08 +0400
          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 20:15 +0400
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 11:05 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 16:02 -0400
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 13:30 -0700
          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 16:50 -0400
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 14:12 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 18:54 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 17:15 -0700
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 15:00 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 15:13 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 17:19 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 17:27 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 18:26 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 18:34 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 21:53 -0400
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 19:58 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 20:03 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 01:27 -0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-21 10:31 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 09:07 -0700
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-21 11:46 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 15:34 -0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-21 11:48 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 21:47 -0400
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 18:48 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 13:00 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 16:47 -0400
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-21 00:18 +0200
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 18:55 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-21 02:22 +0200
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 22:06 -0400
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-21 14:26 +0200
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-21 17:17 -0400
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 17:48 -0400
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 14:41 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 12:23 -0700
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 12:12 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 11:36 -0700
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 14:53 -0400
          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 12:12 -0700
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 15:23 -0400
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 12:29 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 16:51 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-22 13:58 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:24 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:32 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 12:39 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 13:00 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-24 09:18 -1000
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 18:46 -0400
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 19:12 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:36 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:42 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-27 23:13 +0100
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 19:19 -0400
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 20:52 +0100
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 22:12 -0400
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-29 12:41 +0000
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 01:47 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-28 05:20 -0400
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:03 +0100
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 22:13 -0400
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 06:41 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 16:44 +0200
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 07:49 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 17:01 +0200
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-28 15:01 +0000
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 08:40 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 20:45 +0200
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:53 -0400
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:10 +0100
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 23:28 +0300
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-28 17:54 -0400
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:01 +0100
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2014-05-28 08:00 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-24 21:50 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 14:52 +0300
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 17:45 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 23:47 -0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 19:41 +0300
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 02:35 -0700
                Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-24 21:24 -0400
                  Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-24 17:02 -1000
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-24 21:21 -0700
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-24 22:16 -0700
                      Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-24 21:02 -1000
                        Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-25 11:39 +0100
                        Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-25 15:24 +0200
                        Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-25 09:07 -0700
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-25 14:15 +0000
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] all2001@spambog.com (Wolfgang Allinger) - 2014-05-25 12:48 -0400
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-27 23:27 +0100
                  Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Rob Sciuk <rob@controlq.com> - 2014-05-26 13:08 -0400
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 07:41 -1000
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:31 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-25 04:05 -0400
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 12:42 +0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 07:50 -0700
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 22:09 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-23 05:08 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-23 09:46 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-23 13:32 -0400
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-23 14:26 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:20 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-24 08:31 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-24 08:40 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-24 09:50 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-24 21:35 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-25 11:25 +0000
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 16:20 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-27 06:04 -0500
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:01 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 19:24 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-24 10:12 -0700
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:29 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:37 -0700
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 12:08 -0400
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 13:21 -0700
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 13:27 -0700

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#30643

FromHowerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2014-05-24 08:40 -0700
Message-ID<ecbaf370-7803-4e90-8394-a9e0baceb83b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30642
Hi Paul,

I would agree with you that enq/ack is conceptually better, but to quote Wikipedia : " This is also software flow control and requires a device driver that knows about it."
So this would prevent the system from working with a vanilla terminal.
Not good if you want it to plug and play...

Best regards,
Howerd

On Saturday, 24 May 2014 16:31:53 UTC+1, Paul Rubin  wrote:
> "M. Simon" <msimon...@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> > We currently support XON/XOFF. We are working on CTS/RTS but are not
> 
> > satisfied with it. We may drop the RTS/CTS effort altogether if there
> 
> > aren't significant gains - I have uses for those pins.
> 
> 
> 
> xon/xoff is an unreliable way to do flow control because of the
> 
> unpredictable latency it may take to get the xon character from one
> 
> endpoint to the other, potentially through a congested OS at one end and
> 
> maybe even through a network.  If you have to do in-band flow control,
> 
> enq/ack is conceptually better.

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#30649

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-05-24 09:50 -0700
Message-ID<7xfvjznms9.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#30643
Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> I would agree with you that enq/ack is conceptually better, but to
> quote Wikipedia : " This is also software flow control and requires a
> device driver that knows about it."  So this would prevent the system
> from working with a vanilla terminal. 

Terminals (or anyway some of them) also know about enq/ack, I thought.
They are supposed to know about CTS/RTS though probably there is lots
of 3-wire SIO out there.

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#30673

FromHowerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2014-05-24 21:35 -0700
Message-ID<4c4f9459-0628-4298-8ad6-df3d51763638@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30649
Hi Paul,

The quote I gave was from http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-11.html, not Wikipedia - sorry - this page also mentions that ENQ/ACK is understood by HP terminals, so that would rather limit your users...

I would think that ENQ/ACK would have similar problems to XON/XOFF - if you lose a character you lose sync - OK you can re-send to check for the remote unit's presence, but there is still no guarantee that anything you send actually gets to through.

What is required is a proper packet protocol, such as HDLC, with a re-try mechanism.

Failing that, the standard CR , LF ( or CRLF ) to delimit packets has been used for a long, long, time, and is compatible with two major file formats : Win/DOS and *NIX.

I'm not sure that ENQ/ACK gives you any more than this, in practice.

Best regards,
Howerd 

On Saturday, 24 May 2014 17:50:46 UTC+1, Paul Rubin  wrote:
> Howerd <how....@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> 
> > I would agree with you that enq/ack is conceptually better, but to
> 
> > quote Wikipedia : " This is also software flow control and requires a
> 
> > device driver that knows about it."  So this would prevent the system
> 
> > from working with a vanilla terminal. 
> 
> 
> 
> Terminals (or anyway some of them) also know about enq/ack, I thought.
> 
> They are supposed to know about CTS/RTS though probably there is lots
> 
> of 3-wire SIO out there.

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#30686

Fromalbert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst)
Date2014-05-25 11:25 +0000
Message-ID<5381d32e$0$4843$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#30673
In article <4c4f9459-0628-4298-8ad6-df3d51763638@googlegroups.com>,
Howerd  <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi Paul,
>
>The quote I gave was from
>http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-11.html, not Wikipedia -
>sorry - this page also mentions that ENQ/ACK is understood by HP
>terminals, so that would rather limit your users...
>
>I would think that ENQ/ACK would have similar problems to XON/XOFF -
>if you lose a character you lose sync - OK you can re-send to check
>for the remote unit's presence, but there is still no guarantee that
>anything you send actually gets to through.
>
>What is required is a proper packet protocol, such as HDLC, with a
>re-try mechanism.
>
>Failing that, the standard CR , LF ( or CRLF ) to delimit packets has
>been used for a long, long, time, and is compatible with two major
>file formats : Win/DOS and *NIX.
>
>I'm not sure that ENQ/ACK gives you any more than this, in practice.

Both XON/XOFF and hardware flow control can be super reliable, but only
if both ends are properly designed under real time constraints.
Any thoughts of "transparent" intermediate hardware must be abandonned.
This is only possible under an operatings system like windows by
writing your own interrupt driven device drivers. It is unlikely
if USB is involved because it is essentially polled, and interference
with other USB devices is built in. Not impossible, but nearly impossible
wraps it up neatly.

>
>Best regards,
>Howerd

Oh boy, you were bottom posting. Now I'm confused.
<SNIP>

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#30791

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-05-26 16:20 -0700
Message-ID<7xa9a4rusz.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#30673
Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> I would think that ENQ/ACK would have similar problems to XON/XOFF -
> if you lose a character you lose sync - OK you can re-send to check
> for the remote unit's presence, but there is still no guarantee that
> anything you send actually gets to through.

I think historically, hardwired serial ports didn't actually lose
characters unless you overran the input fifo, but they could get backed
up because of delays in the OS such as the user process being swapped
out, so XOFF could take a long time to process.  ENQ/ACK would block the
sender until the ACK arrived, and if it never comes then the remote side
has probably gone offline and you probably want to wait anyway.  Plus as
you say, you could always resend the ENQ if you don't get a reply in a
reasonable amount of time.

> What is required is a proper packet protocol, such as HDLC, with a
> re-try mechanism.

Well maybe.  Once you're using a fancy protocol like HDLC I'd think
you're sort of part way to a tethered Forth though.  It's no longer
something a person can type at with a terminal program.

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#30831

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2014-05-27 06:04 -0500
Message-ID<abSdnX5u9Mih7BnOnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#30791
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>> I would think that ENQ/ACK would have similar problems to XON/XOFF -
>> if you lose a character you lose sync - OK you can re-send to check
>> for the remote unit's presence, but there is still no guarantee that
>> anything you send actually gets to through.
> 
> I think historically, hardwired serial ports didn't actually lose
> characters unless you overran the input fifo

Historically, hardwired serial ports had a FIFO that was one byte
long.  :-)

> but they could get backed up because of delays in the OS such as
> the user process being swapped out, so XOFF could take a long time
> to process.

XOFF has to be processed in the device interrupt routine.

Andrew.

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#30662

From"M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com>
Date2014-05-24 19:01 -0700
Message-ID<664c6828-f721-4d98-ad72-7426ace8f5d6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30642
On Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:31:53 PM UTC, Paul Rubin wrote:
> xon/xoff is an unreliable way to do flow control because of the
> 
> unpredictable latency it may take to get the xon character from one
> 
> endpoint to the other, potentially through a congested OS at one end and
> 
> maybe even through a network.  If you have to do in-band flow control,
> 
> enq/ack is conceptually better.

What we are finding with the FTDI interface to USB that we are using is that there is no reliable USB flow control that matches what was formerly available with strictly RS-232 interfaces. So far XON/XOFF seems to work the best. 

It all has to do with latencies, the block nature of USB transfers, buffers, etc. 

In any case we are getting good transfers at 115,200 with a 10ms end of line delay. 

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#30666

From"Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-24 19:24 -0700
Message-ID<fb6b1823-0158-4d9f-8e3d-9fc1a9fc3d48@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30662
On Saturday, May 24, 2014 9:01:50 PM UTC-5, M. Simon wrote:
> On Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:31:53 PM UTC, Paul Rubin wrote:
> 
> > xon/xoff is an unreliable way to do flow control because of the
> 
> > 
> 
> > unpredictable latency it may take to get the xon character from one
> 
> > 
> 
> > endpoint to the other, potentially through a congested OS at one end and
> 
> > 
> 
> > maybe even through a network.  If you have to do in-band flow control,
> 
> > 
> 
> > enq/ack is conceptually better.
> 
> 
> 
> What we are finding with the FTDI interface to USB that we are using is that there is no reliable USB flow control that matches what was formerly available with strictly RS-232 interfaces. So far XON/XOFF seems to work the best. 
> 
> 
> 
> It all has to do with latencies, the block nature of USB transfers, buffers, etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> In any case we are getting good transfers at 115,200 with a 10ms end of line delay.

The FTDI driver give property pages under device manger that do everything but enable asynchronous usb models. FTDI native USB frame is 64 bytes. Choosing that does not help with flow control much.

In FISH I issue an XON with EXPECT in QUERTY and in a few other judicial spots and have never had it hang from a garbled XON after a XOFF.

FTDI CTS_RTS is another beast. Only thing I know is that they must be set low if they are connected to FTDI. After that the terminal works with flow control set to none or XON_XOFF. With the terminal set to HW Flow control the results are sub XON_XOFF so far. FTDI driver issue I an almost sure. they have a FAQ about this that discusses and indicates all I've said here.

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#30650

Fromvisualforth@rocketmail.com
Date2014-05-24 10:12 -0700
Message-ID<500ccaea-fa7c-4ba4-8845-dea5e16c6ede@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30634
On Saturday, May 24, 2014 4:20:15 AM UTC-4, M. Simon wrote:
> On Friday, May 23, 2014 5:09:23 AM UTC, Mikael Nordman wrote:
> 
> We currently support XON/XOFF. We are working on CTS/RTS but are not 
> satisfied with it. We may drop the RTS/CTS effort altogether if there aren't > significant gains - I have uses for those pins.  

XON/XOFF is not reliable. If an XON is missing due to data corruption, the communication is stopped until eternity.

With 4e4th we started with XON/XOFF, but then we discovered that CR is a better synchronization command. Our 4E4th-IDE works with both, XON/XOFF and CR from the target.

The speciality of 4e4th is that the prompt gives some essential information to the IDE, especially the base, to synchronize input and downloading constant values using the current target base. 

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#30636

From"M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com>
Date2014-05-24 01:29 -0700
Message-ID<2ceded23-1acc-4f25-bb8a-f6151f653db4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30486
I tried http://eternal-september.org/ and got a "server not found" .

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#30638

From"M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com>
Date2014-05-24 01:37 -0700
Message-ID<c76c5ded-eeec-4144-af48-64116cc977c5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30636
On Saturday, May 24, 2014 8:29:12 AM UTC, M. Simon wrote:
> I tried http://eternal-september.org/ and got a "server not found" .

I Googled it and used the Google link and got to it: http://www.eternal-september.org/

Now if some one will suggest a free reader....

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#30645

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-24 12:08 -0400
Message-ID<llqg56$k2h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#30638
On 5/24/2014 4:37 AM, M. Simon wrote:
> On Saturday, May 24, 2014 8:29:12 AM UTC, M. Simon wrote:
>> I tried http://eternal-september.org/ and got a "server not found" .
>
> I Googled it and used the Google link and got to it: http://www.eternal-september.org/
>
> Now if some one will suggest a free reader....

Thunderbird

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Rick

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#30710

From"Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-25 13:21 -0700
Message-ID<87516363-453a-4d46-9ae2-fa4b91c1e09d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30486
I was a bit confused by Elizabeth Rather I believe posting under her married name in another forum?

I now know. I too want to wish you the best! I do pray for guidance for your healers and grace in your recovery.

Clyde

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#30711

From"Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-25 13:27 -0700
Message-ID<75c30133-9dbf-4792-a044-bd2b04d940cd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30486
The team of 3 each have unique perspectives on the goal of promoting Forth.

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