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  Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-29 23:00 -0700
    Re: Article Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-30 01:47 -0700
      Re: Article anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-08-30 12:13 +0000
    Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-08-30 11:31 -0400
      Missing from USENET - was [Re: Article] Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-08-30 10:37 -0500
        Missing from USENET - was [Re: Article] Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-30 10:30 -0700
    Re: Article hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2012-08-30 19:56 -0700
      Re: Article awegel@arcor.de (Alex Wegel) - 2012-08-31 12:35 +0200
    Re: Article "Greg Bailey" <greg@greenarraychips.com> - 2012-08-31 17:51 -0700
      Re: Article Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 18:22 -0700
      Re: Article Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-09-01 01:04 -0700
        Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-02 16:18 -0700
      Re: Article Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-09-01 01:48 -0700
      Re: Article rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 18:38 -0400
      Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-02 16:59 -0700
      Re: Article Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-09-03 13:07 -0500
        Re: Article Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-09-03 14:25 -0700
        Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-04 17:04 -0700
          Re: Article Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 06:23 +0300
      Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-03 18:17 -0400
        Re: Article "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-03 12:37 -1000
          Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-04 04:48 -0400
            Re: Article Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-09-04 03:39 -0700
              Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 02:48 -0400
            Re: Article awegel@arcor.de (Alex Wegel) - 2012-09-04 13:18 +0200
              Re: Article Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-04 16:03 +0200
                Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 03:29 -0400
              Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 03:24 -0400
            Re: Article John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-09-04 08:12 -0700
              Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 16:06 -0400
            Re: Article Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-09-04 11:35 -0500
              Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 02:40 -0400
                Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-05 13:28 -0700
            Re: Article "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-04 08:32 -1000
              Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 02:22 -0400
                Re: Article John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 10:08 -0700
                  Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 16:07 -0400
                    Re: Article John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 13:39 -0700
                Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-05 13:35 -0700
              Re: Article "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-09-07 17:24 +1000
              Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-07 05:28 -0400
                Re: Article Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-07 03:28 -0700
                Re: Article Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2012-09-07 13:31 +0300
                  Re: Article jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2012-09-07 06:33 -0700
                    Re: Article Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-07 09:06 -0700
                Re: Article Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-07 09:03 -0700
          Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-04 16:45 -0700
        Re: Article John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 21:38 -0700
          Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 02:51 -0400
            Re: Article John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 10:49 -0700
              Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 16:20 -0400
          Re: Article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-09-05 16:06 -0400
            Re: Article John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 13:32 -0700
              Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-05 13:50 -0700
                Re: Article John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 22:34 -0700
                  Re: Forth as a polarising language Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-07 14:05 -0700
                    Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-08 01:53 +0200
                      Re: Forth as a polarising language Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-07 18:22 -0700
                        Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-09 00:08 +0200
                          Re: Forth as a polarising language Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-08 17:34 -0700
                            Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-09 15:57 +0200
                              Re: Forth as a polarising language Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-09 08:12 -0700
                                Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-09 22:07 +0200
                              Re: Forth as a polarising language Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-09 15:14 -0700
                                Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-10 01:52 +0200
                                  Re: Forth as a polarising language Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-09 19:17 -0700
                                    Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-10 15:01 +0200
                                      Re: Forth as a polarising language Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-10 07:00 -0700
                                        Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-11 01:07 +0200
                                          Re: Forth as a polarising language Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-10 18:47 -0700
                                            Re: Forth as a polarising language Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-10 16:08 -1000
                                            Re: Forth as a polarising language anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-09-11 07:51 +0000
                                              Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-11 19:24 +0200
                                              Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-11 21:40 +0200
                            Re: Forth as a polarising language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-09 14:58 -1000
                              Re: Forth as a polarising language Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-09 18:24 -0700
                        Re: Forth as a polarising language Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-09-09 13:42 +0000
                      Re: Forth as a polarising language mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 10:34 +0200
                        Re: Forth as a polarising language Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-08 07:06 -0400
                          Re: Forth as a polarising language mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 16:14 +0200
                            DEFER (was: Forth as a polarising language) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-09-08 16:47 +0000
                            Re: Forth as a polarising language Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-09 04:22 -0400
                        OOP (was: Forth as a polarising language) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-09-08 11:38 +0000
                          Re: OOP Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-08 08:19 -0400
                            Re: OOP mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 16:41 +0200
                              Re: OOP Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-09 04:24 -0400
                                Re: Forth as a polarising language mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-09 12:03 +0200
                                  Re: Forth as a polarising language "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-09-09 13:20 +0200
                                  Re: Forth as a polarising language Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 08:33 -0400
                            Re: OOP mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 16:54 +0200
                              Re: OOP Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-09 04:12 -0400
                          OOP (was: Forth as a polarising language) mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 16:28 +0200
                          Re: OOP (was: Forth as a polarising language) mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 16:56 +0200
                            Re: OOP (was: Forth as a polarising language) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-09-08 15:00 +0000
                          Re: OOP (was: Forth as a polarising language) Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net> - 2012-09-08 11:56 -0500
                            Re: OOP Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-09 04:20 -0400
                        Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-09 00:15 +0200
                        Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-09 00:50 +0200
                          Re: Forth as a polarising language mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-09 03:12 +0200
                            Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-09 16:01 +0200
                        Re: Forth as a polarising language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-09 14:54 -1000
                          [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-09-10 06:33 -0500
                            Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 08:16 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 08:28 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-09-10 12:43 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 09:24 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-09-10 08:12 -0500
                                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 09:32 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-10 07:40 -1000
                                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-09-10 14:42 -0500
                          Re: Forth as a polarising language Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 07:59 -0400
                          Re: Forth as a polarising language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 12:27 -0400
                            Re: Forth as a polarising language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-10 07:44 -1000
                          Re: Forth as a polarising language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 12:30 -0400
              Re: Article "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-09-09 14:13 +1000
                Re: Article John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 11:26 -0700
                  Re: Article "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 21:02 +0100
                  Re: Article vandys@vsta.org - 2012-09-11 20:37 +0000
                  Re: Article "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-09-12 20:01 +1000
                Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-11 16:50 -0700
                  Re: Article Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-09-12 00:45 -0700
                    Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-12 18:44 -0700
                    Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-12 20:26 -0700
                  Re: Article "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-09-12 20:47 +1000
      Re: Article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-06 19:28 -0700
        Re: Article John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-09-07 09:57 -0700

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#15435

From"Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com>
Date2012-09-03 12:37 -1000
Message-ID<h-udndIS47mJrNjNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#15434
On 9/3/12 12:17 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
...
> He rants about symtab, Testra, driving a Taxi, and Ms. Rather.  You rant
> about Lua, Lisp, and all sorts of crap.  Technically, he qualifies as a
> "kook" and you as a "troll".

Just to clarify, Hugh is also very profoundly homophobic. John made an 
innocuous remark about his partner several years ago, and Hugh went off 
on a tirade which I found so offensive that I called him on it. This is 
why he hates me. I put him in my "kill file" long ago, so I don't need 
to read his posts. That is why I find it easy to ignore him. I wish more 
people would do the same.

Cheers,
Elizabeth

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#15445

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm>
Date2012-09-04 04:48 -0400
Message-ID<k24f3e$4ev$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#15435
"Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> wrote in message
news:h-udndIS47mJrNjNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
> On 9/3/12 12:17 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> ...
> > He rants about symtab, Testra, driving a Taxi, and Ms. Rather.  You rant
> > about Lua, Lisp, and all sorts of crap.  Technically, he qualifies as a
> > "kook" and you as a "troll".
>
> John made an innocuous remark about his partner several years ago, [...]

I pointed out John was "female" in his responses a while back.  It's
_obvious_ to heterosexual males, or at least it is to me.

> [...] Hugh is also very profoundly homophobic.

<OT: Homophobia and LGBT issues.>

Most men are.  If that's the norm, why is it a negative?  Biologically, it's
probably more important for men to be homophobic than women.  For
propagation of the human species, it's really not necessary for women to be
sexual at all given a male's intense sex drive.  Not to brag or be lewd in
any way, but if polygamy was legal, I would've needed at least eight wives
from puberty to my early 40's.  That's not an exaggeration.  All US
Christians are taught to be homophobic too, even if that's not what the
Bible actually says.  Personally, seeing any man-to-man physical contact,
like wrestling or UFC fighting gives me the "creeps", especially so if they
are sweaty or there is skin-to-skin contact.  Actually, the best description
of the feeling is that it turns my stomach very slightly.  I've strongly
felt that way since about the time I was in 3rd grade, i.e., long before any
of my (male, heterosexual) psychological sexual identity formed.  So, I
believe that my general repulsiveness towards certain sights is genetic or
biological, not something learned, nor something sexual, nor psychological.
I also usually know within about 1/10th second, by sight, whether someone is
gay or lesbian or not.  Sometimes, gays and lesbians also have distortions
of their physical features due to increased testerone, i.e., manly features
for women (e.g., Lady Gaga, Rosie O'Donnell, Ellen Degeneres, Rachel Maddow,
etc), and womanly features for men (e.g., Anderson Cooper, Daniel Tosh,
etc).  If that doesn't tell me, then I usually know within a second or two
from their mannerisms (incorrect sex) or style of dress (incorrect sex) or
personality (teenage like immaturity and incorrect sex) or friend affinity
(opposite sex instead of the same sex).  It's seems to me that it's very
rare that I don't know, especially given the number of movie, music, sports
stars I've correctly recognized as such over the decades.  Although, I don't
always know...  I didn't recognize a lesbian coworker as such, nor Rock
Hudson.

Oddly, I don't consider myself homophobic despite my repugnance for certain
visual sights.  I don't fear them.  I don't have hatred towards them.  I
don't have a problem with them finding love and happiness.  I don't have a
problem watching stars of movie, music, or sports who are LGBT.  Although,
if their personality is very strongly of the opposite sex, they can become
annoying to watch.  I don't have a problem working with gay or lesbians or
being their friends.  If I see someone on TV who is, I'll usually point out
that they are, because some people just don't "see" it at all.  What always
surprises me is when a gay or lesbian star comes out of the closet, and they
actually believe no one knows or knew.  Many, many people know.  I'd declare
that everyone knows, but, as I said previously, some people just don't "see"
it.  It's obvious to most of us.  Typically, they've been told to "come out
of the closet" for years, or had numerous such jokes made about them being
in the closet in public and private.  Eventually, they come out, unless they
are huge movie stars or extremely wealthy.  Sometimes, they are even in a
heterosexual marriage with children.

What I do have a problem with is when they force homosexuality or the LGBT
agenda upon others who just aren't ready for it or don't care to see it,
especially in public, or movies, via politics, or recently in the gay and
lesbian marriage debate.  Most of America is extremely conservative,
devoutly Christian, and yet a small group, of extremely liberal, mostly
Californians, in the pro-LGBT movement are forcing their beliefs upon
everyone else.  Yes, I also have a problem with Christians who attempt to
force their beliefs upon people too.  So, I don't see this as a gay or
lesbian hatred issue.

This country is about majority rule, not non-discrimination.  Without
majority rule, we can't lock up pedophiles, murderers, or rapists.  We're
now learning that there is a genetic component for such behaviors in people.
Every time the LGBT moves towards equality or non-discrimination by forcing
their beliefs upon the rest of us by using the "we're born this way" genetic
argument, we lose our right to punish other people who "were born that way".
That right to punish is based on being able to discriminate via majority
rule.  Are we going to provide equality or not discriminate against
pedophiles, murderers, and rapists?  Like it or not, that's what is
beginning to happen, because of the equality demands of the LGBT movement.


Rod Pemberton
I hope I haven't offended anyone with this.  This is how I see things and
have experienced these issues.  I've been very open and honest in the
presentation of my perspective.  E.g., since I don't consider myself to be
homophobic, I don't normally discuss the repugnance I have of certain visual
sights, which I consider to be biological or genetic.








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#15448

FromAlex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com>
Date2012-09-04 03:39 -0700
Message-ID<dba6bc3a-c85f-41e8-a5ec-31abbd1a4524@e29g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#15445
On Sep 4, 9:45 am, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...@notemailnot.cmm>
wrote:


[snip]

> I hope I haven't offended anyone with this.  This is how I see things and
> have experienced these issues.  I've been very open and honest in the
> presentation of my perspective.  E.g., since I don't consider myself to be
> homophobic, I don't normally discuss the repugnance I have of certain visual
> sights, which I consider to be biological or genetic.

Gaaaaah. Please, enough already. Like Hugh, you talk too much about
yourself. You haven't offended anyone, you've just bored us with this
over long pen portrait of homophobia.

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#15472

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm>
Date2012-09-05 02:48 -0400
Message-ID<k26sej$rel$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#15448
"Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> wrote in message
news:dba6bc3a-c85f-41e8-a5ec-31abbd1a4524@e29g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 4, 9:45 am, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...@notemailnot.cmm>
> wrote:

[snip]

> > I hope I haven't offended anyone with this. This is how I see things and
> > have experienced these issues. I've been very open and honest in the
> > presentation of my perspective. E.g., since I don't consider myself to
> > be homophobic, I don't normally discuss the repugnance I have of
> > certain visual sights, which I consider to be biological or genetic.
>
> Gaaaaah. Please, enough already. Like Hugh, you talk too much about
> yourself. You haven't offended anyone, you've just bored us with this
> over long pen portrait of homophobia.

Clearly, you snipped too much.  Where's the homophobia?
Reread the second paragraph.

Personally, I really enjoyed working with the woman I later learned was a
homosexual.  She had a tragic life story, for which she was self-medicating
with an illicit substance.  But, she was nice and she was fun to work with.
Of course, that was in a work environment were she was probably on her best
behavior.  And, the self-medication could've easily changed her true
personality.  So, I'll never truly know if I knew her or not.
Unfortunately,
she wasn't able to survive on how much they were paying, so she left.


Rod Pemberton

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#15449

Fromawegel@arcor.de (Alex Wegel)
Date2012-09-04 13:18 +0200
Message-ID<1kpwaug.fws1u01un5a6uN%awegel@arcor.de>
In reply to#15445
Rod Pemberton <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> wrote:

> Personally, seeing any man-to-man physical contact,
> like wrestling or UFC fighting gives me the "creeps", especially so if they
> are sweaty or there is skin-to-skin contact.

Gosh - to sum up some of the stuff you shared with us:
- John behaves irrational like a woman (you scream)
- You're no racist, it's the blacks that are (and it's not your fault
because they only had those red "i kill blacks" shoe laces in the shop)
- Atomic energy is good (maybe because they use fuel rods?)
- Your not homophobic (but if we let the gays their way, the rapists and
pedos will take over)

Man - i'm happy that i'm not in your mind either.
Please try to tackle your own flawed thinking and stop writing stupid
off-topic shit.

(Off-topic because it has nothing to do with what this newsgroup or this
discussion is about: Nobody here asked whether you're lesbian, nor what
you think about being so. The topic was that you can't write "i worked
with a partner" here without getting attacked sexually by some loon for
the next 3 years).

Maybe i'd better put people like you and hugh into the kill filter, but
somehow i have a bad feeling about just letting your kind abuse this
forum to spread their half-wit and discriminating theories.

So - next time you feel like explaining the world to us (or to anyone,
for that matter), better grab a kleenex and go watch some wrestling
instead.

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#15451

FromBernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Date2012-09-04 16:03 +0200
Message-ID<1353899.uueJrfDlQB@sunwukong.fritz.box>
In reply to#15449
Alex Wegel wrote:

> Rod Pemberton <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> wrote:
> 
>> Personally, seeing any man-to-man physical contact,
>> like wrestling or UFC fighting gives me the "creeps", especially so
>> if they are sweaty or there is skin-to-skin contact.
> 
> Gosh - to sum up some of the stuff you shared with us:
> - John behaves irrational like a woman (you scream)
> - You're no racist, it's the blacks that are (and it's not your fault
> because they only had those red "i kill blacks" shoe laces in the
> shop) - Atomic energy is good (maybe because they use fuel rods?)
> - Your not homophobic (but if we let the gays their way, the rapists
> and pedos will take over)
> 
> Man - i'm happy that i'm not in your mind either.
> Please try to tackle your own flawed thinking and stop writing stupid
> off-topic shit.

I've put him into my killfile.  His on-topic thinking is no better, and 
it's a complete waste of time to discuss with him.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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#15475

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm>
Date2012-09-05 03:29 -0400
Message-ID<k26urv$12k$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#15451
"Bernd Paysan" <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:1353899.uueJrfDlQB@sunwukong.fritz.box...
...

> [...] it's a complete waste of time to discuss with him.
>

That's only because you refuse to admit to the truth or tell it.  You insist
on teaching falsehoods about both Forth and C.


Rod Pemberton


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#15474

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm>
Date2012-09-05 03:24 -0400
Message-ID<k26uhe$as$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#15449
"Alex Wegel" <awegel@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:1kpwaug.fws1u01un5a6uN%awegel@arcor.de...
> Rod Pemberton <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> wrote:
>
> Please try to tackle your own flawed thinking and stop
> writing stupid off-topic shit.

First, the entire thread - from the start - was OT.  It had nothing to do
with programming in Forth.

Secondly, I _clearly_ labeled my reply OT.  You didn't have to read it.

Thirdly, Ms. Rather introduced the topic of homophobia into this thread.
She's been around long enough to thoroughly know what happens when someone
posts something OT as she did.  If you've got a problem with it, you
should've been complaining to her.  You didn't.  Maybe, you should seriously
think about.  It's generally wise to put the blame where it belongs instead
of scapegoating someone else ...

Fourth, this is *NOT* a _moderated_ Usenet newsgroup.  So, *everything* is
"topical".  Alt.* is better suited to non-topical posts, but without
moderation, topicality is a matter of the individuals in the group.  That
includes me, whether you like it or not.  If you haven't noticed, nearly
every thread that McDonald, Bernd, Anton, Passaniti, post to go entirely OT
after three or four levels.

Fifth, many of the long-term people here have posted numerous OT discussions
and some extreme rants too, like Bernd, Passniti, and McDonald.

Sixth, clearly you haven't been here long enough to have read the extreme
rants by some of the others or you *wouldn't* be bitching at me.

Seventh, it's clear that you don't need to post anything here.  *Nothing*
here is clearly a part of _your_ conversations, so far.  So, why don't you
stop butting in to _our_ conversations?  If you want to read something Forth
related, you're free to post about it.  Over the years, I've posted quite a
bit
about Forth.

> Nobody here asked whether you're lesbian, nor what
> you think about being so. The topic was that you can't write
> "i worked with a partner" here without getting attacked sexually
> by some loon for the next 3 years).

For those who clearly can't read, the other half of topic introduced
by Ms. Rather was "Hugh is (supposedly) extremely homophobic".


Rod Pemberton


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#15453

FromJohn Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com>
Date2012-09-04 08:12 -0700
Message-ID<047f9f3b-d189-4c20-abdd-3d5788cb97c1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#15445
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:45:37 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> Not to brag or be lewd in any way, but if polygamy 
> was legal, I would've needed at least eight wives
> from puberty to my early 40's.  That's not an 
> exaggeration.  

Oh, you don't have to worry at all Rod!  We know you're not exaggerating about your incredible virility!  Your animal manly manliness certainly comes through in your off-topic messages!  After reading the latest window into your turgid mind, I had to go shave.  Honestly Rod, you should be more careful with that thing!  There are innocent women here who will now be unable to think about Forth because their minds will be occupied imaging they could be the vessel for your seed.  Great, there goes the third quarter productivity.

> I also usually know within about 1/10th second, by sight, whether 
> someone is gay or lesbian or not.  

I wish I had that ability when I was younger.  Now, I only have the ability to identify a pompous ass by his postings in comp.lang.forth... in 100ms!

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#15482

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm>
Date2012-09-05 16:06 -0400
Message-ID<k28b7e$o8s$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#15453
"John Passaniti" <john.passaniti@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:047f9f3b-d189-4c20-abdd-3d5788cb97c1@googlegroups.com...
> On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:45:37 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > Not to brag or be lewd in any way, but if polygamy
> > was legal, I would've needed at least eight wives
> > from puberty to my early 40's.  That's not an
> > exaggeration.
>
> Oh, you don't have to worry at all Rod!  We know you're
> not exaggerating about your incredible virility!

No, John, I was presenting example of an _average_ male's sex drive.
Actually, I'm probably slightly below average...  An above average male
might need 20 wives, if the higher than normal testosterone levels don't
feminize his brain making him gay and killing his sex drive.  I doubted that
anyone would be stupid enough to think it was a claim of virility.  I was
providing an example of how extreme an man's sex drive is.  Why would I
provide an example of a virile man having an extreme sex drive?   He's
already got one.  That just makes no sense whatsoever.


Rod Pemberton


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#15454

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2012-09-04 11:35 -0500
Message-ID<QvCdnYAbyKcgsNvNnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#15445
Rod Pemberton <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> wrote:
> "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> wrote in message
> news:h-udndIS47mJrNjNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On 9/3/12 12:17 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>> ...
>> > He rants about symtab, Testra, driving a Taxi, and Ms. Rather.  You rant
>> > about Lua, Lisp, and all sorts of crap.  Technically, he qualifies as a
>> > "kook" and you as a "troll".
>>
>> John made an innocuous remark about his partner several years ago, [...]
> 
> I pointed out John was "female" in his responses a while back.  It's
> _obvious_ to heterosexual males, or at least it is to me.
> 
>> [...] Hugh is also very profoundly homophobic.
> 
> <OT: Homophobia and LGBT issues.>
> 
> Most men are.  If that's the norm, why is it a negative?

It's not.  Homophobia is probably associated with homosexual arousal: see 
https://my.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf

> This country is about majority rule, not non-discrimination.

This country?  Which country is this?

Andrew.

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#15471

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm>
Date2012-09-05 02:40 -0400
Message-ID<k26s0c$qdd$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#15454
"Andrew Haley" <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote in message
news:QvCdnYAbyKcgsNvNnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@supernews.com...
> Rod Pemberton <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> wrote:
> > "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> wrote in message
> > news:h-udndIS47mJrNjNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
> >> On 9/3/12 12:17 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> >> ...
> >> > He rants about symtab, Testra, driving a Taxi, and Ms. Rather.  You
> >> > rant about Lua, Lisp, and all sorts of crap.  Technically, he
> >> > qualifies as a "kook" and you as a "troll".
> >>
> >> John made an innocuous remark about his partner several years ago,
> >> [...]
> >
> > I pointed out John was "female" in his responses a while back.  It's
> > _obvious_ to heterosexual males, or at least it is to me.
> >
> >> [...] Hugh is also very profoundly homophobic.
> >
> > <OT: Homophobia and LGBT issues.>
> >
> > Most men are.  If that's the norm, why is it a negative?
>
> It's not.
...

> Homophobia is probably associated with homosexual arousal: see
> https://my.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf
>

I'll ignore the fact that that's usually the argument which _homosexuals_
use to antagonize, anger, and suppress the views of people with normal
testosterone levels in order to further their agenda.

What's great about the Internet is that I can easily find garbage psychology
articles as quickly as you.

This one says homophobia is *purely* genetic:
http://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/p/staff/VerweijPaperBehGen.pdf

Would gays and lesbians like it if non-LGBT individuals use the "we're born
this way" genetic argument to legitimately justify homophobia?  No, they
wouldn't.  But, there it is...


According to this study, gays are homophobic.  They are internally
homophobic.  The more homophobic they are, the more they drink, and the more
homophobic they become:
http://drnicely.com/downloads/Dissertation.pdf

Now, I don't know if "internally homophobic" means "self-hate" or means
"homophobic" towards others, but it doesn't really matter does it?
Homosexuals are homophobic according to that psychological study.

You've gotta love garbage psychology!

Go ahead and ask someone gay if they are homophobic in *any way*.  I'm sure
they'll tell you absolutely not!  That seems totally stupid doesn't it?  To
non-homosexuals, the argument you presented that straight people fear
homosexuals because homesexuality arouses them is equally stupid.

But...
If that article is true, it could lead to *all* sorts of conundrums.  If
they found that gays are homophobic, whose to say gays don't also
overcompensate in an attempt to hide their homosexuality, become intensely
homophobic themselves towards others, and then commit hate crimes against
other gays?  What if normal people are being falsely blamed for acts of hate
by gays pretending to be straight ... ?  We've seen Jews paint racist
remarks and claim racism.  We've seen blacks paint racist remarks themselves
and claim racism.  How do we know some gays and lesbians aren't painting
homophobic remarks and claiming hate crimes?

> > This country is about majority rule, not non-discrimination.
>
> This country?  Which country is this?
>

I mentioned USA...


Rod Pemberton


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#15487

FromHugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com>
Date2012-09-05 13:28 -0700
Message-ID<b5d17484-d86b-4eed-8b12-59991fadf7ec@s9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#15471
On Sep 4, 11:38 pm, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...@notemailnot.cmm>
wrote:
> If that article is true, it could lead to *all* sorts of conundrums.  If
> they found that gays are homophobic, whose to say gays don't also
> overcompensate in an attempt to hide their homosexuality, become intensely
> homophobic themselves towards others, and then commit hate crimes against
> other gays?

That pretty well describes J. Edgar Hoover and Adolf Hitler --- both
persecuted the faggots in an effort to prove that they weren't faggots
themselves (although they didn't fool anybody).

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#15460

From"Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com>
Date2012-09-04 08:32 -1000
Message-ID<bMSdndia-prB1NvNnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#15445
On 9/3/12 10:48 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> wrote in message
> news:h-udndIS47mJrNjNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On 9/3/12 12:17 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>> ...
>>> He rants about symtab, Testra, driving a Taxi, and Ms. Rather.  You rant
>>> about Lua, Lisp, and all sorts of crap.  Technically, he qualifies as a
>>> "kook" and you as a "troll".
>>
>> John made an innocuous remark about his partner several years ago, [...]
>
> I pointed out John was "female" in his responses a while back.  It's
> _obvious_ to heterosexual males, or at least it is to me.
>
>> [...] Hugh is also very profoundly homophobic.
>
> <OT: Homophobia and LGBT issues.>
>
> Most men are.

Not in my experience. "Some men are" might be more accurate.
...

> All US Christians are taught to be homophobic too, even if that's not what the
> Bible actually says.

This is absolutely not true. I was raised a Presbyterian and have been 
an active Episcopalian for most of my adult life. Evangelicals and 
Catholics disapprove of gays. (as well as a lot of straight behavior), 
but most mainstream Christians are taught not to be judgmental about 
things like race or sexual orientation.

...

[Long, inappropriate rant deleted.]

>
> Rod Pemberton
> I hope I haven't offended anyone with this.  This is how I see things and
> have experienced these issues.  I've been very open and honest in the
> presentation of my perspective.  E.g., since I don't consider myself to be
> homophobic, I don't normally discuss the repugnance I have of certain visual
> sights, which I consider to be biological or genetic.

Frankly, I don't care about your perspective one way or another. I don't 
even care about Hugh's perspective, so long as he keeps it to himself. I 
just don't think this topic is appropriate on comp.lang.forth.

Cheers,
Elizabeth

-- 
==================================================
Elizabeth D. Rather   (US & Canada)   800-55-FORTH
FORTH Inc.                         +1 310.999.6784
5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
http://www.forth.com

"Forth-based products and Services for real-time
applications since 1973."
==================================================

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#15470

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm>
Date2012-09-05 02:22 -0400
Message-ID<k26qtf$o43$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#15460
"Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> wrote in message
news:bMSdndia-prB1NvNnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@supernews.com...
> On 9/3/12 10:48 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> wrote in message
> > news:h-udndIS47mJrNjNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
...

> I just don't think this topic is appropriate on comp.lang.forth.
>

Well ... then, why ... did ... _you_ bring it up?

ER:
>>> Just to clarify, Hugh is also very profoundly homophobic.
>>> John made an innocuous remark about his partner several
>>> years ago, and Hugh went off on a tirade which I found so
>>> offensive that I called him on it.

I clearly marked my reply as OT.

I was a bit shocked when you brought it up, but I assumed you were
comfortable with such a discussion because you did bring it up.  You've been
posting to Usenet for years and are thoroughly aware it can be a Pandora's
box.  However, if I was gay which I'm not, I might take offense to you
saying the topic of homophobia isn't appropriate no matter the forum...
Clearly, LGBT individuals feel it's a major social problem, similar to how
blacks still feel that racism is a huge issue.  You wouldn't tell a black
person the topic of racism was off limits, would you?  No, of course, you
wouldn't.  As I mentioned previously, I'm not racist either, but I have been
repeatedly discriminated against by blacks, except for a few.


Rod Pemberton


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#15477

FromJohn Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com>
Date2012-09-05 10:08 -0700
Message-ID<7ce6212b-aa14-4018-b933-bb6ee62f3ed5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#15470
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 2:19:29 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> I clearly marked my reply as OT.

Remember folks, that bringing up off-topic content is perfectly fine if you first announce that it is off-topic.  So feel free to talk about... well... pretty much anything!  Just make sure you follow Rod's example and explicitly mark it as being off-topic.  Then everything is hunky-dory.

> Clearly, LGBT individuals feel it's a major social problem, similar to how
> blacks still feel that racism is a huge issue.  

Rod is correct here-- as everyone knows, all LGBT folk are cut from the exact same cloth.  We all are equally inflamed by every situation, and we all take our marching orders from Gay Central Command (GCC, hmmm...).  Indeed, before I'm allowed to reply to messages in comp.lang.forth, I'm required to consult the hive and see if there are any subtexts I should be offended by but missed.  The penalty is pretty severe-- if I miss even one outrage, an interior designer comes by my home and reupholsters my couch with a tacky fabric.

> As I mentioned previously, I'm not racist either [...]

This is true.  Rod's pompous assness is not based on homophobia or racism.  It comes from something more basic and fundamental in his character.

Oh, sorry, this message was off topic.

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#15483

From"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm>
Date2012-09-05 16:07 -0400
Message-ID<k28b8e$oak$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#15477
"John Passaniti" <john.passaniti@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ce6212b-aa14-4018-b933-bb6ee62f3ed5@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 2:19:29 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > I clearly marked my reply as OT.
>
> Remember folks, that bringing up off-topic content is perfectly
> fine if you first announce that it is off-topic.  So feel free to talk
> about... well... pretty much anything!  Just make sure you follow
> Rod's example and explicitly mark it as being off-topic.  Then
> everything is hunky-dory.

Oh man!  I can't believe I'm getting this from the guy who posts
two to three OT rants of filth, similar to the Aristocrats joke,
to c.l.f. every year.  Please don't try to claim someone is
tarnishing your reputation via spoofs...  It's tacky.

> > Clearly, LGBT individuals feel it's a major social problem,
> > similar to how blacks still feel that racism is a huge issue.
>
> Rod is correct here-- as everyone knows, all LGBT folk are cut
> from the exact same cloth.  We all are equally inflamed by every
> situation, and we all take our marching orders from Gay Central
> Command (GCC, hmmm...).

When are you not inflamed?  You constantly rant.  You haven't posted
on OT post in c.l.f. since I've been reading here, about eight years now.
Google Groups has an archive of decades worth of your trash.

> Oh, sorry, this message was off topic.

That's way too late.


Rod Pemberton


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#15490

FromJohn Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com>
Date2012-09-05 13:39 -0700
Message-ID<9b031743-d027-45e1-b94b-f33eb725e20f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#15483
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 4:04:35 PM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> Oh man!  I can't believe I'm getting this from the guy who posts
> two to three OT rants of filth, similar to the Aristocrats joke,
> to c.l.f. every year.  Please don't try to claim someone is
> tarnishing your reputation via spoofs...  It's tacky.

I knew about the Aristocrats joke and loved the movie that Penn Jillette and Paul Provenza did about it.  Great stuff.  And yet, when I think back to the most colorful language I've ever used here in comp.lang.forth, I can't think of *anything* that even remotely competes with the full-on Aristocrats joke.

You've made a claim, provide evidence.

> When are you not inflamed?  You constantly rant.  You haven't posted
> on OT post in c.l.f. since I've been reading here, about eight years now.
> Google Groups has an archive of decades worth of your trash.

Evidence speaks louder than words.  Provide the vile disgusting filth, please.

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#15489

FromHugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com>
Date2012-09-05 13:35 -0700
Message-ID<0f47d364-2931-4b10-9f1d-771d8c86f720@pz10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#15470
On Sep 4, 11:19 pm, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...@notemailnot.cmm>
wrote:
> "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erat...@forth.com> wrote in messagenews:bMSdndia-prB1NvNnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@supernews.com...> On 9/3/12 10:48 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > > "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erat...@forth.com> wrote in message
> > >news:h-udndIS47mJrNjNnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>
> ...
>
> > I just don't think this topic is appropriate on comp.lang.forth.
>
> Well ... then, why ... did ... _you_ bring it up?
>
> ER:
>
> >>> Just to clarify, Hugh is also very profoundly homophobic.
> >>> John made an innocuous remark about his partner several
> >>> years ago, and Hugh went off on a tirade which I found so
> >>> offensive that I called him on it.

Rod, I appreciate that you're sticking up for me and all of the other
straight guys in the world (go team!), but I think that you are
missing the point.

You ask: "Well ... then, why ... did ... _you_ bring it up?"

Elizabeth Rather brought it up as a diversionary tactic. Whenever I
point out the serious lack of quality in PolyForth and SwiftForth, she
accuses me of being homophobic. Her plan is that somebody (you!) will
get riled up and start posting long-winded arguments defending the
straight (once again: go team!) and the problems with PolyForth and
SwiftForth will be forgotten about.

I think that Elizabeth Rather pays John Passaniti to post distracting
nonsense on comp.lang.forth. She may only pay him $30 a month, but
that is big money for a faggot --- most faggots never get paid
anything for being faggots.

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#15505

From"Ed" <invalid@nospam.com>
Date2012-09-07 17:24 +1000
Message-ID<k2c7c9$g81$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#15460
Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
> On 9/3/12 10:48 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> ...
> > All US Christians are taught to be homophobic too, even if that's not what the
> > Bible actually says.
>
> This is absolutely not true. I was raised a Presbyterian and have been
> an active Episcopalian for most of my adult life.

Who would have guessed!

> Evangelicals and
> Catholics disapprove of gays. (as well as a lot of straight behavior),
> but most mainstream Christians are taught not to be judgmental about
> things like race or sexual orientation.

So gays are ok ... it's just the miscreants on c.l.f. that refuse to agree
with one who need to be "put straight" :)






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