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  Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:20 -0500
    Re: Editors Used for Forth François <francois.ganza@wanadoo.fr> - 2017-02-16 14:32 -0800
    Re: Editors Used for Forth Heinrich Hohl <hheinrich.hohl@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:59 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-02-17 08:38 +0000
        Re: Editors Used for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-02-17 10:51 +0100
          Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 05:11 -0500
            Re: Editors Used for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-02-17 11:25 +0100
    Re: Editors Used for Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-02-16 23:16 +0000
      Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 18:26 -0500
        Re: Editors Used for Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 18:57 -0800
          Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:29 -0500
            Re: Editors Used for Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:49 -0800
            Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 20:26 -0800
              Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 01:36 -0500
                Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 23:07 -0800
            Re: Editors Used for Forth luser droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-16 22:32 -0800
          Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 20:24 -0800
            Re: Editors Used for Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 21:16 -0800
        Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 20:23 -0800
        Re: Editors Used for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 21:12 -0800
          Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 01:20 -0500
            Re: Editors Used for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:28 +0200
        Re: Editors Used for Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-02-18 06:11 +0000
    Re: Editors Used for Forth jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2017-02-16 15:30 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 18:38 -0500
    Re: Editors Used for Forth stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-02-16 23:58 +0000
    Re: Editors Used for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:28 +0200
    Re: Editors Used for Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2017-02-17 00:50 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-02-17 11:10 +0100
    Re: Editors Used for Forth Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 02:02 -0800
    Re: Editors Used for Forth Jürgen <BitCruncher@gmx-topmail.de> - 2017-02-17 15:52 +0000
    Re: Editors Used for Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 08:51 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2017-02-18 10:02 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth luser droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-18 17:26 -0800
        Re: Editors Used for Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 02:24 -0800
          Re: Editors Used for Forth Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-02-19 12:23 +0000
            Re: Editors Used for Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 07:20 -0800
    Re: Editors Used for Forth josv@planet.nl - 2017-02-19 04:40 -0800
    Re: Editors Used for Forth grahameblackwood@gmail.com - 2017-02-21 06:54 -0800
      Re: Editors Used for Forth minforth@arcor.de - 2017-02-21 07:46 -0800

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#54892 — Editors Used for Forth

I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable 
Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been 
meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for 
some time now.

What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something 
supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?

-- 

Rick C

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#54893

Le jeudi 16 février 2017 23:20:23 UTC+1, rickman a écrit :
> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable 
> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been 
> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for 
> some time now.
> 
> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something 
> supported under both Windows and Linux.  Anything written in Forth?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

xed on Linux ;)

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#54894

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 11:20:23 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> What do people use for editing Forth?

ConTEXT (for Windows) is excellent and free.

http://www.contexteditor.org/index.php

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#54920

On 2/16/2017 22:59, Heinrich Hohl wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 11:20:23 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>> What do people use for editing Forth?
>
> ConTEXT (for Windows) is excellent and free.
>
> http://www.contexteditor.org/index.php
>

I use it. But it appears to have been abandoned.


Freeware Text Editor
The Future of ConTEXT

ConTEXT has not been developed for a long while. This is because ConTEXT 
was originally written using Delphi which requires a licence for users 
to develop with the components used.

Sunday 25th September 2011

-- 
Alex

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#54922

In article <o86cne$30j$1@dont-email.me>, Alex  <alex@rivadpm.com> wrote:
>On 2/16/2017 22:59, Heinrich Hohl wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 11:20:23 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>>> What do people use for editing Forth?
>>
>> ConTEXT (for Windows) is excellent and free.
>>
>> http://www.contexteditor.org/index.php
>>
>
>I use it. But it appears to have been abandoned.
>
>
>Freeware Text Editor
>The Future of ConTEXT
>
>ConTEXT has not been developed for a long while. This is because ConTEXT
>was originally written using Delphi which requires a licence for users
>to develop with the components used.
>
>Sunday 25th September 2011

Just go with vim. It works everywhere, and if you're used to it,
you can use vi if need be, missing out on very few commands.
If you've the guts become a real hacker and use emacs. I didn't.

>
>--
>Alex

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#54925

On 2/17/2017 4:51 AM, Albert van der Horst wrote:
> In article <o86cne$30j$1@dont-email.me>, Alex  <alex@rivadpm.com> wrote:
>> On 2/16/2017 22:59, Heinrich Hohl wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 11:20:23 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>>>> What do people use for editing Forth?
>>>
>>> ConTEXT (for Windows) is excellent and free.
>>>
>>> http://www.contexteditor.org/index.php
>>>
>>
>> I use it. But it appears to have been abandoned.
>>
>>
>> Freeware Text Editor
>> The Future of ConTEXT
>>
>> ConTEXT has not been developed for a long while. This is because ConTEXT
>> was originally written using Delphi which requires a licence for users
>> to develop with the components used.
>>
>> Sunday 25th September 2011
>
> Just go with vim. It works everywhere, and if you're used to it,
> you can use vi if need be, missing out on very few commands.
> If you've the guts become a real hacker and use emacs. I didn't.

A fellow geek gave me an xkcd tee shirt once that says, "/Everybody 
stand back/  I know regular expressions"

-- 

Rick C

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#54927

In article <o86i62$jt0$1@dont-email.me>, rickman  <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2/17/2017 4:51 AM, Albert van der Horst wrote:
>> In article <o86cne$30j$1@dont-email.me>, Alex  <alex@rivadpm.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2017 22:59, Heinrich Hohl wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 11:20:23 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>>>>> What do people use for editing Forth?
>>>>
>>>> ConTEXT (for Windows) is excellent and free.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.contexteditor.org/index.php
>>>>
>>>
>>> I use it. But it appears to have been abandoned.
>>>
>>>
>>> Freeware Text Editor
>>> The Future of ConTEXT
>>>
>>> ConTEXT has not been developed for a long while. This is because ConTEXT
>>> was originally written using Delphi which requires a licence for users
>>> to develop with the components used.
>>>
>>> Sunday 25th September 2011
>>
>> Just go with vim. It works everywhere, and if you're used to it,
>> you can use vi if need be, missing out on very few commands.
>> If you've the guts become a real hacker and use emacs. I didn't.
>
>A fellow geek gave me an xkcd tee shirt once that says, "/Everybody
>stand back/  I know regular expressions"

I know regular expressions like the back of my hand. Emacs is much
more intimidating.

>
>--
>
>Rick C
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#54897

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable 
>Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been 
>meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for 
>some time now.
>
>What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something 
>supported under both Windows and Linux.

I use Emacs, and it works on both Windows and Linux.

- anton
-- 
M. Anton Ertl  http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
     New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
   EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/

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#54899

On 2/16/2017 6:16 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> I'm in the middle of some complicated web site moves and my venerable
>> Codewright has crapped out on me.  Not sure what is wrong, but I've been
>> meaning to switch to something more modern and actually supported for
>> some time now.
>>
>> What do people use for editing Forth?  I'd like to find something
>> supported under both Windows and Linux.
>
> I use Emacs, and it works on both Windows and Linux.

Yes, I've been meaning to switch to Emacs for some time now, but when I 
gave it a first attempt I found it a bit daunting.  It's not like 
anything I've used before.  How do you suggest a newbie go about getting 
up and running?  Is there a way to make it GUI to start with?

-- 

Rick C

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#54905

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 5:26:19 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
> On 2/16/2017 6:16 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> >
> > I use Emacs, and it works on both Windows and Linux.
>
> Yes, I've been meaning to switch to Emacs for some time now, but when I
> gave it a first attempt I found it a bit daunting.  It's not like
> anything I've used before.  How do you suggest a newbie go about getting
> up and running?  Is there a way to make it GUI to start with?
>

Whether Emacs starts with a GUI depends on how you installed it and
how you started it. It's a "I am using this exact operating system and
I installed Emacs in this exact way" kind of question.

Just go through the tutorial though and you'll do fine. You may not
*appreciate* it right away but you'll be able to use it. The tutorial
is the first option under the 'Help' menu, you're prompted to enter it
on the splash screen that appears by default (even in a terminal) and
you can get to it with C-h T (hold ctrl, press h, release both, hold
shift, press t).

I use vim rather than Emacs for Forth, as forth-mode's opinions about
code formatting diverge too much from mine. vim also comes with a
tutorial, probably accessible with the 'vimtutor' command. vim also
has a GUI that you can install and use, and it's worth trying for some
of the color schemes (which Emacs also has, although it may take you
longer to find them.)

Whatever you use, take a look at http://orgmode.org/ . I'll have an
org-mode buffer open all day in Emacs at work, even when all my coding
that day is with vim.

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#54906

On 2/16/2017 9:57 PM, Julian Fondren wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 5:26:19 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
>> On 2/16/2017 6:16 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>>
>>> I use Emacs, and it works on both Windows and Linux.
>>
>> Yes, I've been meaning to switch to Emacs for some time now, but when I
>> gave it a first attempt I found it a bit daunting.  It's not like
>> anything I've used before.  How do you suggest a newbie go about getting
>> up and running?  Is there a way to make it GUI to start with?
>>
>
> Whether Emacs starts with a GUI depends on how you installed it and
> how you started it. It's a "I am using this exact operating system and
> I installed Emacs in this exact way" kind of question.
>
> Just go through the tutorial though and you'll do fine. You may not
> *appreciate* it right away but you'll be able to use it. The tutorial
> is the first option under the 'Help' menu, you're prompted to enter it
> on the splash screen that appears by default (even in a terminal) and
> you can get to it with C-h T (hold ctrl, press h, release both, hold
> shift, press t).
>
> I use vim rather than Emacs for Forth, as forth-mode's opinions about
> code formatting diverge too much from mine. vim also comes with a
> tutorial, probably accessible with the 'vimtutor' command. vim also
> has a GUI that you can install and use, and it's worth trying for some
> of the color schemes (which Emacs also has, although it may take you
> longer to find them.)
>
> Whatever you use, take a look at http://orgmode.org/ . I'll have an
> org-mode buffer open all day in Emacs at work, even when all my coding
> that day is with vim.

Ok, I'm under duress, so I'll take another stab at it.  But just the 
installation is not going totally smoothly.  Linux oriented software 
seems to expect you to read the minds of the developers a lot.  Like the 
installation instructions say, "We also provide a set of optional 
dependencies, in emacs-25-x86_64-deps.zip or emacs-25-i686-deps.zip 
respectively, which provide Emacs with an number of additional 
capabilities. To add these, unpack them directly over the emacs 
directory structure."  They don't tell you this will require clobbering 
files with files from this archive.  At least I assume that is what was 
supposed to happen.

It also says I can run the file addpm.exe in the bin subdir to add an 
icon to the start page.  I don't see addpm.exe in the bin directory...

Now I can't figure out how to run it.  With nothing on the start page it 
says to "invoke runemacs.exe directly from Explorer".  There is no 
runemacs.exe in the bin directory.  There is nothing in the bin 
directory with "emacs" in the name.

Is it me?  :(

-- 

Rick C

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#54908

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:29:13 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
> 
> Is it me?  :(
> 

My advice is to go with vim instead. I didn't have trouble the last
time I got Emacs running on windows, but I also can't help you in the
slightest (except by recommending you use an operating system that
doesn't spy on you). There's an installer for vim here: 
http://www.vim.org/download.php

The kids these days also like Atom: https://atom.io/

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#54911

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> Ok, I'm under duress, so I'll take another stab at it.  But just the
> installation is not going totally smoothly.  Linux oriented software
> seems to expect you to read the minds of the developers a lot.

What Linux are you trying to run under?  If it's Debian based, you
should be able to just say "apt-get install Emacs".

No idea about Windows.

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#54918

On 2/16/2017 11:26 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> Ok, I'm under duress, so I'll take another stab at it.  But just the
>> installation is not going totally smoothly.  Linux oriented software
>> seems to expect you to read the minds of the developers a lot.
>
> What Linux are you trying to run under?  If it's Debian based, you
> should be able to just say "apt-get install Emacs".
>
> No idea about Windows.

Windows 8.  The installation instructions are basically, "unzip some 
files somewhere and then here are some more files to unzip somewhere 
too".  I thought about that a bit and realized it really is that simple. 
  So I tried it again and it worked.  Not sure what I did wrong the 
first time.

-- 

Rick C

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#54919

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> Windows 8....   tried it again and it worked.

Cool!  Give org-mode a try and give the built-in calculator (M-x calc) a
try.  It's an RPN calculator, of course.  And it's a deep rabbit hole:

  http://nullprogram.com/blog/2009/06/23/

Full manual:

  https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/calc.html

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#54917

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:29:13 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
> On 2/16/2017 9:57 PM, Julian Fondren wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 5:26:19 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
> >> On 2/16/2017 6:16 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I use Emacs, and it works on both Windows and Linux.
> >>
> >> Yes, I've been meaning to switch to Emacs for some time now, but when I
> >> gave it a first attempt I found it a bit daunting.  It's not like
> >> anything I've used before.  How do you suggest a newbie go about getting
> >> up and running?  Is there a way to make it GUI to start with?
> >>
> >
> > Whether Emacs starts with a GUI depends on how you installed it and
> > how you started it. It's a "I am using this exact operating system and
> > I installed Emacs in this exact way" kind of question.
> >
> > Just go through the tutorial though and you'll do fine. You may not
> > *appreciate* it right away but you'll be able to use it. The tutorial
> > is the first option under the 'Help' menu, you're prompted to enter it
> > on the splash screen that appears by default (even in a terminal) and
> > you can get to it with C-h T (hold ctrl, press h, release both, hold
> > shift, press t).
> >
> > I use vim rather than Emacs for Forth, as forth-mode's opinions about
> > code formatting diverge too much from mine. vim also comes with a
> > tutorial, probably accessible with the 'vimtutor' command. vim also
> > has a GUI that you can install and use, and it's worth trying for some
> > of the color schemes (which Emacs also has, although it may take you
> > longer to find them.)
> >
> > Whatever you use, take a look at http://orgmode.org/ . I'll have an
> > org-mode buffer open all day in Emacs at work, even when all my coding
> > that day is with vim.
> 
> Ok, I'm under duress, so I'll take another stab at it.  But just the 
> installation is not going totally smoothly.  Linux oriented software 
> seems to expect you to read the minds of the developers a lot.  Like the 
> installation instructions say, "We also provide a set of optional 
> dependencies, in emacs-25-x86_64-deps.zip or emacs-25-i686-deps.zip 
> respectively, which provide Emacs with an number of additional 
> capabilities. To add these, unpack them directly over the emacs 
> directory structure."  They don't tell you this will require clobbering 
> files with files from this archive.  At least I assume that is what was 
> supposed to happen.
> 
> It also says I can run the file addpm.exe in the bin subdir to add an 
> icon to the start page.  I don't see addpm.exe in the bin directory...
> 
> Now I can't figure out how to run it.  With nothing on the start page it 
> says to "invoke runemacs.exe directly from Explorer".  There is no 
> runemacs.exe in the bin directory.  There is nothing in the bin 
> directory with "emacs" in the name.
> 
> Is it me?  :(

I just did the installation on windows 8. I made
a new folder in "C:\Program Files" called "emacs",
double-clicked on the zip and dragged the subfolders to
the emacs folder. Then the same for the contents of the
deps zip. There was one file with the same name, but the
sizes were the same so I picked the newer one.
Now in "C:\Program Files\emacs\bin" I see "emacs", "emacs-25.1",
"emacsclient", "emacsclientw", and scrolling down farther,
"runemacs". You won't see the .exe extension unless you've
tweaked the settings in explorer not to hide them.

Not sure where you went wrong. HTH

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#54910

Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> writes:
> I use vim rather than Emacs for Forth,

Note there's a mode for Emacs called Spacemacs which implements Vim-like
key bindings, and that some Vim users prefer to genuine Vim.  I've never
used it myself so can't comment, but apparently it is quite powerful.
There are a few other Vi emulators in Emacs as well.

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#54913

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 10:25:00 PM UTC-6, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> writes:
> > I use vim rather than Emacs for Forth,
> 
> Note there's a mode for Emacs called Spacemacs which implements Vim-like
> key bindings, and that some Vim users prefer to genuine Vim.  I've never
> used it myself so can't comment, but apparently it is quite powerful.
> There are a few other Vi emulators in Emacs as well.

spacemacs looks pretty cool--better than vile, for vi bindings, but
it'll still require some configuration to be as good a Forth editor as
vim with only a few settings.  forth-mode indentation still takes
effect if you use the mode, and the auto-indentation in fundamental
mode isn't quite tuned right.

for rickman, spacemacs still requires a working emacs.

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#54909

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> Yes, I've been meaning to switch to Emacs for some time now, but when
> I gave it a first attempt I found it a bit daunting.  It's not like
> anything I've used before.  How do you suggest a newbie go about
> getting up and running?  

Start with the built-in tutorial, by typing Control-H T (the splash
screen says how to do that).  After that, there's tons of other
beginner's guides:

https://www.google.com/search?q=emacs+tutorial

http://emacslife.com/ also points to some resources.


> Is there a way to make it GUI to start with?

It's not really a GUI program.  There's a fork called XEmacs that's
slightly more (still not fully) guified, but I don't know if it runs on
Windows.

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#54912

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> Yes, I've been meaning to switch to Emacs for some time now,

    "I use emacs, which might be thought of as a thermonuclear word
    processor... If you are a professional writer... emacs outshines all
    other editing software in approximately the same way that the
    noonday sun does the stars. It is not just bigger and brighter; it
    simply makes everything else vanish."

     --Neal Stephenson, 1998
     In the Beginning was the Command Line

     via: http://www.danfowler.net/resources/emacs_talk/

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