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  imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 13:30 -0700
    imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-10-24 15:18 -0700
      Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-25 02:32 -0700
        Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-25 02:38 -0700
        Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 06:04 -0700
      Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 06:04 -0700
      Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 06:06 -0700
        Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-10-25 11:11 -0700
          Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 19:58 -0700
            Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-10-25 21:29 -0700
              Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 12:39 -0700
        Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2016-10-27 19:13 -0400
          Re: imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 12:39 -0700

#52166 — imagine forth replacing java and .net in huge telcom

deployment!!

Imagine better faster software debian linux and gforth replacing

salesforce
CRM
oracle
vmware
devops
python
ruby
perl
php
mysql
ms sql server
windows


This is billions if not trillions worldwide.

Why not more forth startups?

I would be excited to work with forth.

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#52170

Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. Business success comes from a "stack" so to speak, of components that consists of Product, Pricing, placement (where it sells from) and promotion (marketing). These are called the four "Ps".

Notwithstanding the fact that reproducing competitive versions of the product list you outlined would take a big team (Wages) to build, at the end of the day the product is at most 25%  of the success factors, despite what some  engineers believe. And marketing, real marketing, (means investing money that generates measurable business) is the biggest investment typically.

So when you have all that in place and are looking for funding, let us know.  Someone here might invest ...
If the management team has a track record.  That's the 5th "P". People!

BF

PS After this one my regular rates apply.

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#52183

On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 3:18:44 PM UTC-7, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. 
> ...
> PS After this one my regular rates apply.

I doubt that you are going to get rich by telling people what is obvious and well-known --- other than Gavino, I would expect that everybody is pretty familiar with these concepts that you described --- they generally fall under the heading: "common sense" (something Gavino seems to be lacking in).

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#52185

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 2:32:03 AM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> ... "common sense" ...

On the subject of common-sense --- it is 2:30am and I have to be at work at 9:00am --- maybe I should stop administering wisdom on the internet and go to bed...

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#52191

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 5:32:03 AM UTC-4, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 3:18:44 PM UTC-7, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. 
> > ...
> > PS After this one my regular rates apply.
> 
> I doubt that you are going to get rich by telling people what is obvious and well-known --- other than Gavino, I would expect that everybody is pretty familiar with these concepts that you described --- they generally fall under the heading: "common sense" (something Gavino seems to be lacking in).

huge! my favorite nuthugger!!  voting trump I hope!

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#52190

On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. Business success comes from a "stack" so to speak, of components that consists of Product, Pricing, placement (where it sells from) and promotion (marketing). These are called the four "Ps".
> 
> Notwithstanding the fact that reproducing competitive versions of the product list you outlined would take a big team (Wages) to build, at the end of the day the product is at most 25%  of the success factors, despite what some  engineers believe. And marketing, real marketing, (means investing money that generates measurable business) is the biggest investment typically.
> 
> So when you have all that in place and are looking for funding, let us know.  Someone here might invest ...
> If the management team has a track record.  That's the 5th "P". People!
> 
> BF
> 
> PS After this one my regular rates apply.

I should be paid to listen to your so called advice.

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#52192

On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. Business success comes from a "stack" so to speak, of components that consists of Product, Pricing, placement (where it sells from) and promotion (marketing). These are called the four "Ps".
> 
> Notwithstanding the fact that reproducing competitive versions of the product list you outlined would take a big team (Wages) to build, at the end of the day the product is at most 25%  of the success factors, despite what some  engineers believe. And marketing, real marketing, (means investing money that generates measurable business) is the biggest investment typically.
> 
> So when you have all that in place and are looking for funding, let us know.  Someone here might invest ...
> If the management team has a track record.  That's the 5th "P". People!
> 
> BF
> 
> PS After this one my regular rates apply.

I hope you can program because if you sell biz advice you obviously live in dads basement still.

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#52201

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 9:06:49 AM UTC-4, polymorph self wrote:
> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. Business success comes from a "stack" so to speak, of components that consists of Product, Pricing, placement (where it sells from) and promotion (marketing). These are called the four "Ps".
> > 
> > Notwithstanding the fact that reproducing competitive versions of the product list you outlined would take a big team (Wages) to build, at the end of the day the product is at most 25%  of the success factors, despite what some  engineers believe. And marketing, real marketing, (means investing money that generates measurable business) is the biggest investment typically.
> > 
> > So when you have all that in place and are looking for funding, let us know.  Someone here might invest ...
> > If the management team has a track record.  That's the 5th "P". People!
> > 
> > BF
> > 
> > PS After this one my regular rates apply.
> 
> I hope you can program because if you sell biz advice you obviously live in dads basement still.

The nature of your question indicated that I should start at first principals. If it seems too simple I apologize but it is worth considering why so many businesses have trouble executing these simple things.

FYI I left dad's basement 40 years ago. :-)

After I left a small technology company I took another business from $26M/annum to $200M from 2002 to 2012 by doing those simple things... they work. The devil is in the many details as with most things.

BF

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#52206

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 2:11:19 PM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 9:06:49 AM UTC-4, polymorph self wrote:
> > On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. Business success comes from a "stack" so to speak, of components that consists of Product, Pricing, placement (where it sells from) and promotion (marketing). These are called the four "Ps".
> > > 
> > > Notwithstanding the fact that reproducing competitive versions of the product list you outlined would take a big team (Wages) to build, at the end of the day the product is at most 25%  of the success factors, despite what some  engineers believe. And marketing, real marketing, (means investing money that generates measurable business) is the biggest investment typically.
> > > 
> > > So when you have all that in place and are looking for funding, let us know.  Someone here might invest ...
> > > If the management team has a track record.  That's the 5th "P". People!
> > > 
> > > BF
> > > 
> > > PS After this one my regular rates apply.
> > 
> > I hope you can program because if you sell biz advice you obviously live in dads basement still.
> 
> The nature of your question indicated that I should start at first principals. If it seems too simple I apologize but it is worth considering why so many businesses have trouble executing these simple things.
> 
> FYI I left dad's basement 40 years ago. :-)
> 
> After I left a small technology company I took another business from $26M/annum to $200M from 2002 to 2012 by doing those simple things... they work. The devil is in the many details as with most things.
> 
> BF

you really did that?

+174M to sales in 10 years?

well done

so are you a millionaire?

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#52211

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 10:58:10 PM UTC-4, polymorph self wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 2:11:19 PM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 9:06:49 AM UTC-4, polymorph self wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. Business success comes from a "stack" so to speak, of components that consists of Product, Pricing, placement (where it sells from) and promotion (marketing). These are called the four "Ps".
> > > > 
> > > > Notwithstanding the fact that reproducing competitive versions of the product list you outlined would take a big team (Wages) to build, at the end of the day the product is at most 25%  of the success factors, despite what some  engineers believe. And marketing, real marketing, (means investing money that generates measurable business) is the biggest investment typically.
> > > > 
> > > > So when you have all that in place and are looking for funding, let us know.  Someone here might invest ...
> > > > If the management team has a track record.  That's the 5th "P". People!
> > > > 
> > > > BF
> > > > 
> > > > PS After this one my regular rates apply.
> > > 
> > > I hope you can program because if you sell biz advice you obviously live in dads basement still.
> > 
> > The nature of your question indicated that I should start at first principals. If it seems too simple I apologize but it is worth considering why so many businesses have trouble executing these simple things.
> > 
> > FYI I left dad's basement 40 years ago. :-)
> > 
> > After I left a small technology company I took another business from $26M/annum to $200M from 2002 to 2012 by doing those simple things... they work. The devil is in the many details as with most things.
> > 
> > BF
> 
> you really did that?
> 
> +174M to sales in 10 years?
> 
> well done
> 
> so are you a millionaire?

Yes, but I lead and grew a very good team to do that.
As an employee of the corporation I didn't get to keep it. :-)
I made a very nice living. It was fun while it lasted.
BF

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#52276

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 12:29:09 AM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 10:58:10 PM UTC-4, polymorph self wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 2:11:19 PM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 9:06:49 AM UTC-4, polymorph self wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-4, foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. Business success comes from a "stack" so to speak, of components that consists of Product, Pricing, placement (where it sells from) and promotion (marketing). These are called the four "Ps".
> > > > > 
> > > > > Notwithstanding the fact that reproducing competitive versions of the product list you outlined would take a big team (Wages) to build, at the end of the day the product is at most 25%  of the success factors, despite what some  engineers believe. And marketing, real marketing, (means investing money that generates measurable business) is the biggest investment typically.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So when you have all that in place and are looking for funding, let us know.  Someone here might invest ...
> > > > > If the management team has a track record.  That's the 5th "P". People!
> > > > > 
> > > > > BF
> > > > > 
> > > > > PS After this one my regular rates apply.
> > > > 
> > > > I hope you can program because if you sell biz advice you obviously live in dads basement still.
> > > 
> > > The nature of your question indicated that I should start at first principals. If it seems too simple I apologize but it is worth considering why so many businesses have trouble executing these simple things.
> > > 
> > > FYI I left dad's basement 40 years ago. :-)
> > > 
> > > After I left a small technology company I took another business from $26M/annum to $200M from 2002 to 2012 by doing those simple things... they work. The devil is in the many details as with most things.
> > > 
> > > BF
> > 
> > you really did that?
> > 
> > +174M to sales in 10 years?
> > 
> > well done
> > 
> > so are you a millionaire?
> 
> Yes, but I lead and grew a very good team to do that.
> As an employee of the corporation I didn't get to keep it. :-)
> I made a very nice living. It was fun while it lasted.
> BF

Hillary emails!! oh shit!!!
hoep u made 100mil!!

now make stack machien desktop computer .1% the code!

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#52255

On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 06:06:48 -0700 (PDT)
polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-4,
> foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. Business success
> > comes from a "stack" so to speak, of components that consists of
> > Product, Pricing, placement (where it sells from) and promotion
> > (marketing). These are called the four "Ps".
> > 
> > Notwithstanding the fact that reproducing competitive versions of
> > the product list you outlined would take a big team (Wages) to
> > build, at the end of the day the product is at most 25%  of the
> > success factors, despite what some  engineers believe. And
> > marketing, real marketing, (means investing money that generates
> > measurable business) is the biggest investment typically.
> > 
> > So when you have all that in place and are looking for funding, let
> > us know.  Someone here might invest ... If the management team has
> > a track record.  That's the 5th "P". People!
> > 
> > BF
> > 
> > PS After this one my regular rates apply.  
> 
> I hope you can program because if you sell biz advice you obviously
> live in dads basement still.

<OT>

The 4Ps come from business school courses.  There is also the
8Ps, a larger list which includes the 4Ps.  In addition to the 4Ps and
8Ps, there are the 6Ms, 5Ms, 4Ss, 4Ss, 3Ks, and two 5Cs.  Some of
these come from production management systems.  The Ps have to do with
product.  The Cs have to do with customers.  The Ms have to do with
marketing or manufacturing.  The Ss have to do with the suppliers or
Japanese workplace organization, especially a precursor to modern JIT
manufacturing.  The Toyota production system also came up with the
seven types of waste (not listed).

5Cs - company, customers, competitors, collaborators, climate
5Cs - customers, cash flow, credit, credibility, capital
4Ps - place, price, product, promotion
8Ps - product, price, place, promotion, people, process, physical
evidence, publicity 6Ms - mission, market, message, money, method,
monitoring 5Ms - machine, method, material, manpower, measurement
4Ss - surroundings, suppliers, systems, skills
5Ss - (workplace organization) - seiri, seiton, seiso, seiketsu,
shitsuke - sort, set in order, shine, standardize, sustain
3Ks - (Toyota production) - kaizen, kanban, kaikaku - continuous
improvement, radical change, billboard scheduling

There are other acronyms out there for various business concepts.  I'll
let you figure out what the business concept is by reading them.  You
can probably guess as to all of them except maybe the last one.

SWAN - smart, works, ambitious, nice
PDCA - plan, do, check, adjust
SWOT - strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats
PEST - political, economic, social, technological
DMAIC - define, measure, analyze, improve, control
DMADV - define, measure, analyze, design, verify
VRIO - variable, rare, imitable, organization


Rod Pemberton

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#52277

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 7:13:29 PM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 06:06:48 -0700 (PDT)
> polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-4,
> > foxaudio...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > > Ok,  here is a little business lesson, for free. Business success
> > > comes from a "stack" so to speak, of components that consists of
> > > Product, Pricing, placement (where it sells from) and promotion
> > > (marketing). These are called the four "Ps".
> > > 
> > > Notwithstanding the fact that reproducing competitive versions of
> > > the product list you outlined would take a big team (Wages) to
> > > build, at the end of the day the product is at most 25%  of the
> > > success factors, despite what some  engineers believe. And
> > > marketing, real marketing, (means investing money that generates
> > > measurable business) is the biggest investment typically.
> > > 
> > > So when you have all that in place and are looking for funding, let
> > > us know.  Someone here might invest ... If the management team has
> > > a track record.  That's the 5th "P". People!
> > > 
> > > BF
> > > 
> > > PS After this one my regular rates apply.  
> > 
> > I hope you can program because if you sell biz advice you obviously
> > live in dads basement still.
> 
> <OT>
> 
> The 4Ps come from business school courses.  There is also the
> 8Ps, a larger list which includes the 4Ps.  In addition to the 4Ps and
> 8Ps, there are the 6Ms, 5Ms, 4Ss, 4Ss, 3Ks, and two 5Cs.  Some of
> these come from production management systems.  The Ps have to do with
> product.  The Cs have to do with customers.  The Ms have to do with
> marketing or manufacturing.  The Ss have to do with the suppliers or
> Japanese workplace organization, especially a precursor to modern JIT
> manufacturing.  The Toyota production system also came up with the
> seven types of waste (not listed).
> 
> 5Cs - company, customers, competitors, collaborators, climate
> 5Cs - customers, cash flow, credit, credibility, capital
> 4Ps - place, price, product, promotion
> 8Ps - product, price, place, promotion, people, process, physical
> evidence, publicity 6Ms - mission, market, message, money, method,
> monitoring 5Ms - machine, method, material, manpower, measurement
> 4Ss - surroundings, suppliers, systems, skills
> 5Ss - (workplace organization) - seiri, seiton, seiso, seiketsu,
> shitsuke - sort, set in order, shine, standardize, sustain
> 3Ks - (Toyota production) - kaizen, kanban, kaikaku - continuous
> improvement, radical change, billboard scheduling
> 
> There are other acronyms out there for various business concepts.  I'll
> let you figure out what the business concept is by reading them.  You
> can probably guess as to all of them except maybe the last one.
> 
> SWAN - smart, works, ambitious, nice
> PDCA - plan, do, check, adjust
> SWOT - strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats
> PEST - political, economic, social, technological
> DMAIC - define, measure, analyze, improve, control
> DMADV - define, measure, analyze, design, verify
> VRIO - variable, rare, imitable, organization
> 
> 
> Rod Pemberton

Income - expense and have large posative # --Bill Gates

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