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Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history

Date 2014-01-19 18:01 -1000
From "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com>
Organization FORTH, Inc.
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history
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On 1/19/14 5:37 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:54:43 -0500, Elizabeth D. Rather
> <erather@forth.com> wrote:
>> On 1/19/14 1:24 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> Rod Pemberton <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> wrote:
>
>>>> Next, :NONAME was created to essentially do what the early limited
>>>> CREATE did but without writing a name into the dictionary header.
>>>
>>> No, that's completely wrong.
>>
>> :NONAME is, as Andrew points out, completely unrelated to this topic.
>> We're talking about defining various kinds of data objects with
>> specialized behaviors; :NONAME only constructs a headerless colon
>> definition and returns its xt. Totally different topic altogether.
>>
>
> So, defining CREATE in terms of : and ; and DOVAR
> and also defining : in terms of :NONAME and WORD and CMOVE is
> not possible?  Odd...

Well, some versions of the primitive that builds a header may use WORD 
and CMOVE, and DOVAR may in some systems be the name of the default 
behavior of CREATE. CREATE itself is, usually, a colon definition, but I 
can't imagine how it would *use* : or :NONAME because those words don't 
do anything related to what CREATE needs to do.

> If :NONAME did not return an xt, what does it do differently from
> CREATE other than not install a name?

It's completely different. They don't do any of the same things.

> I.e., it appears to me that :NONAME works much like HEADER, enough
> so that it can be a low-level replacement for it.

No, :NONAME specifically *doesn't* do what HEADER does.

> In which case,
> since CREATE is defined in terms of :

It isn't.

> and that can be defined in
> terms of :NONAME,

It can't.

> then :NONAME should be useable to construct
> <BUILDS since it's defined in terms of CREATE or a word like
> VARIABLE or CONSTANT which are, typically.
>
> Make sense?  Or, still completely wrong?

Completely wrong. It sounds as though you have a very mistaken notion of 
what :NONAME does.

Cheers,
Elizabeth

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quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-19 13:15 -0500
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-19 20:07 +0000
    Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-19 21:45 +0000
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-01-19 22:02 +0100
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-19 17:24 -0600
    Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-19 14:54 -1000
      Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-19 22:37 -0500
        Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-19 18:01 -1000
          Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-20 00:27 -0500
            Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-19 20:54 -1000
              Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-19 21:19 -1000
              Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-20 16:14 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-20 12:07 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-21 11:37 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-21 17:41 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-21 08:30 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history oh2aun@gmail.com - 2014-01-21 11:17 -0800
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-21 09:44 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-21 15:18 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-21 12:07 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-21 22:04 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-21 19:21 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-22 13:38 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-22 08:50 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-23 17:17 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-23 13:46 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-24 15:07 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-25 15:18 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-25 20:18 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-01-25 20:44 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-25 21:41 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-01-25 22:47 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-26 01:54 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-27 16:49 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-27 15:40 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-27 23:00 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-27 19:43 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-28 09:25 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-28 19:45 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-30 15:32 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-28 14:20 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-25 15:28 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-25 13:51 -0600
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-27 15:34 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-01-24 08:11 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 01:28 -0800
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-24 05:00 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-24 09:32 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-24 17:48 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-24 13:14 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 16:16 -0800
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-23 12:13 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-22 13:32 +0000
            Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-20 04:14 -0800
              Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-20 06:31 -0600
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-20 08:04 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-21 14:09 +0000
              Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-20 16:14 -0500
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history trebor.english@gmail.com - 2014-01-22 17:44 -0800
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history trebor.english@gmail.com - 2014-01-22 18:24 -0800
    Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-23 14:00 +0000
      Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history trebor.english@gmail.com - 2014-01-23 11:06 -0800
        Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 11:33 -0800
          Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history trebor.english@gmail.com - 2014-01-23 11:42 -0800
        Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 11:51 -0800

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