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Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history

From "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history
Date 2014-01-21 22:04 -0500
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:07:54 -0500, Elizabeth D. Rather  
<erather@forth.com> wrote:
> On 1/21/14 10:18 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote:

>> Sorry, yes, that should've had two colons which was, hopefully, obvious:
>>: : CREATE :NONAME DROP ...
>
> CREATE is inappropriate here. You want your word that builds a header.
> And :NONAME is also inappropriate because it returns the xt that youhave  
> to DROP. All you need to do is build the header, have a code
> field that points to DOCOL, and start the compiler.

I must've run into a problem somewhere.

It appears I backed out (CREATE) and these definitions:

: : (CREATE) COMPILE ENTER ] SMUDGE ;
: CREATE (CREATE) COMPILE DOVAR ;

I also had this definition for ; in another file paired with the
definition of : above:

: ; COMPILE EXIT SMUDGE [COMPILE] [ ; IMMEDIATE

It appears that (CREATE) when I backed it out is very similar to
the operations I have for :NONAME plus the BL WORD COUNT .. CMOVE
for name field in my : definition.

>> I have a low-level : and this would be for defining a new
>> high-level : in Forth.
>
> Why do you need 2 versions of : ?
>

I was attempting to eliminate the as much code in C as I could.
The idea was minimize as much non-standard behavior as possible by
having as little of the code in C as is possible.  If I can express
: in high-level Forth, I may be able to eliminate the bootstrap
version of : in C.

> There is nothing about a :NONAME to link.
>

I have to link "around" it.  I.e., the pointer used for linking could
be incorrect without a header for :NONAME.  Of course, it could
be correct also.  I don't know right now.  It gets updated somewhere
automatically.  I don't recall where I put that...  Sigh, I really
needed to review my code before discussing.

> Yes, the thing built by :NONAME has a code field, normally
> (in an ITC Forth) the address of DODOES, followed by the
> executable content.
>
> [...]
>
> An xt needs to be the address of the code required to execute the word.
> It has to be there for all words. That isn't what I'm calling the
> "header". A "header" consists of name and linking info.
>

Ah, the CFA is not part of the header...  So, words still have a CFA
without the header.

Sigh, I should've realized that.  The low-level "primitives" - because
they're in C - have NFA, LFA, DOES field, etc which can be placed after
the CFA and PFA by the C compiler.  The high-level Forth is compiled
sequentially.

Okay, that should mean the :NONAME definitions don't need a header.
It's still compiling an CFA, the ENTER.

> Hope this helps.
>

Yes.  Thanks.  I'm thinking what you said earlier should work.


Rod Pemberton

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quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-19 13:15 -0500
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-19 20:07 +0000
    Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-19 21:45 +0000
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-01-19 22:02 +0100
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-19 17:24 -0600
    Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-19 14:54 -1000
      Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-19 22:37 -0500
        Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-19 18:01 -1000
          Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-20 00:27 -0500
            Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-19 20:54 -1000
              Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-19 21:19 -1000
              Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-20 16:14 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-20 12:07 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-21 11:37 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-21 17:41 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-21 08:30 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history oh2aun@gmail.com - 2014-01-21 11:17 -0800
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-21 09:44 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-21 15:18 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-21 12:07 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-21 22:04 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-21 19:21 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-22 13:38 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-22 08:50 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-23 17:17 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-23 13:46 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-24 15:07 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-25 15:18 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-25 20:18 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-01-25 20:44 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-25 21:41 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-01-25 22:47 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-26 01:54 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-27 16:49 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-27 15:40 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-27 23:00 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-27 19:43 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-28 09:25 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-28 19:45 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-30 15:32 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-28 14:20 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-25 15:28 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-25 13:51 -0600
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-27 15:34 +0000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-01-24 08:11 +0100
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 01:28 -0800
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-24 05:00 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-24 09:32 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-24 17:48 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-24 13:14 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 16:16 -0800
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-23 12:13 -0500
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-22 13:32 +0000
            Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-20 04:14 -0800
              Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-20 06:31 -0600
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-20 08:04 -1000
                Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-21 14:09 +0000
              Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-20 16:14 -0500
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history trebor.english@gmail.com - 2014-01-22 17:44 -0800
  Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history trebor.english@gmail.com - 2014-01-22 18:24 -0800
    Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-23 14:00 +0000
      Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history trebor.english@gmail.com - 2014-01-23 11:06 -0800
        Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 11:33 -0800
          Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history trebor.english@gmail.com - 2014-01-23 11:42 -0800
        Re: quick review of <BUILDS and CREATE history Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 11:51 -0800

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