Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format

From	"HAA" <someone@microsoft.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format
Date	2017-06-11 17:22 +1000
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Alex wrote:
> On 6/8/2017 03:34, HAA wrote:
> > Raimond Dragomir wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Well, I may be dumbing down my forth... let's see:
> >> ...
> >> These are very simple things that a today programmer may expect
> >> at least to not get a feeling it's using an alien language from Mars.
> >> And the forth at the heart remains a very good one, really a classical
> >> one. What's wrong in hiding the >R R@ return stack words from the user?
> >> Or giving them the possibility to use locals if they are not confortable
> >> with stack jugling? Or having the C '//' line comment instead of '\'?
> >>
> >> Well, my forth is not standard anymore (in fact is far from being
> >> standard for many other reasons). It was not in the first place,
> >> and I have more advanced features like quotations or building words
> >> (a replacement for create.. does>), but I don't expect the regular
> >> application programmer that will script my controllers in it to use
> >> these features. Unless s/he is motivated indeed...
> >
> > As you say, you have gone down your own path and produced a
> > language that is 'forth-like'.  8th has done the same and I certainly
> > don't object to these.  OTOH when someone hears about 'Forth'
> > and Chuck Moore, I think they expect to find a language which uses
> > that name to embody the principles on which it was founded.
>
> What are they?
>
> > The notion 'if you don't like something in Forth, you can change it'
> > is not a view I share.
> >
>
> But you don't appear to like standards.  And Chuck was forever changing
> his views on Forth; qv colorForth

Chuck was forever changing his implementations in pursuit of his goal
which has never changed - 'Keep it simple'.  If a programmer using Forth,
be it writing apps or implementations, isn't constantly asking the question
'Have I kept it simple?', is he a Forth programmer - or just a user of Forth
words and syntax as dictated by some document.

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RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 01:25 -0700
  Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-04 03:45 -0500
  Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format mhx@iae.nl - 2017-06-04 02:10 -0700
    Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-06-04 12:12 +0200
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-05 02:32 -0500
        Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-06-05 10:19 +0200
          Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-05 09:14 +0000
            Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-05 04:57 -0500
          Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-05 04:51 -0500
        Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-06-05 11:53 -0500
          Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-05 12:29 -0500
          Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format minforth@arcor.de - 2017-06-05 11:20 -0700
            Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 11:25 -0700
              Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format minforth@arcor.de - 2017-06-06 00:50 -0700
                Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-06-06 10:16 +0000
                Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format minforth@arcor.de - 2017-06-06 05:30 -0700
              Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format minforth@arcor.de - 2017-06-06 22:54 -0700
          Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 02:12 -0700
            Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-06 04:23 -0500
              Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-06-06 10:26 -0500
            Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-06 09:52 +0000
              Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 04:57 -0700
              Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 06:01 -0700
              Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-06-06 18:07 +0100
            Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 08:09 -0700
              Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 11:51 -0700
                Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 12:19 -0700
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-06-10 23:23 +0100
    Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-06-04 17:05 -0700
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 21:38 -0400
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 20:26 -0700
        Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format mhx@iae.nl - 2017-06-05 00:01 -0700
          Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 01:18 -0700
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format mhx@iae.nl - 2017-06-04 23:47 -0700
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 09:56 +0300
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 01:46 -0700
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-06-07 21:44 +1000
        Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format minforth@arcor.de - 2017-06-07 05:13 -0700
          Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-06-08 12:36 +1000
        Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 07:33 -0700
          Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-06-08 12:34 +1000
            Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-08 09:55 +0100
              Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-06-11 17:22 +1000
        Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-08 17:13 -0700
  Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format mhx@iae.nl - 2017-06-04 02:18 -0700
  Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-04 09:54 +0000
  Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-06-04 12:07 +0200
  Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-04 10:18 +0000
    Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format mhx@iae.nl - 2017-06-04 05:47 -0700
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-04 15:44 +0000
    Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 09:10 -0700
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-04 16:21 +0000
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 18:33 +0200
    Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-06-07 01:21 +0200
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format minforth@arcor.de - 2017-06-06 22:57 -0700
        Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 23:34 -0700
          Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format minforth@arcor.de - 2017-06-07 01:12 -0700
  Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 02:38 -0700
  Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-06-07 02:45 -0700
    Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-06-08 18:34 -0700
      Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-06-10 23:08 +0100
        Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-11 12:32 +0000
    Re: RFD: Drop double numbers as input format "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-09 18:07 +0000

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