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Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth

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On 4/22/2017 03:45, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:44:16 +1000
> "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
> 
>> Alex wrote:
> 
>>> Why change the licence from public domain to BSD? Partly because PD
>>> really doesn't have any legal standing in UK law; a new version of a
>>> public domain work will be copyright protected, even though the
>>> original work is not.
>>
>> That's the whole idea.  You can rework a 'public domain' work then do
>> with it as you please including, as you did, place a copyright on
>> it.
> 
> Placing a copyright on a public domain work is not legal in the U.S. as
> copyright law cannot be applied to a work once in the public domain.

I'm not in the US. I am also not a lawyer (and I suspect you're not one).


> Placing another copyright on a copyrighted work for the modifications
> to that work is not legal in the U.S. either.  The reason for both
> of these is because trivial changes to an existing work are NOT
> copyrightable under U.S. law, at all, e.g., patches, corrections,
> modifications, etc.  Under U.S. law, trivial modifications to a work
> fall under the original copyright or lack thereof, i.e., public domain.

The changes are so substantial that I defy anyone to find common ground 
between, for example, the Win32Forth kernel and the WF32 kernel, beyond 
the unavoidable commonality of words named DUP SWAP etc.

> This means that changes to GNU copyleft code fall under GNU copyleft,
> and changes to public domain works fall under the public domain.  If he
> made substantial changes, then he can copyright those changes, if
> they've been extracted from the original public domain work.  Also, the
> only time a copyright can be applied to a derivation of another
> copyrighted work is when there are substantial changes which are
> sufficient enough to qualify the derivation as a completely new work in
> the eyes of the law.  If his modifications are less than the majority
> of the derivative work, then he can't copyright the resulting
> derivation.
> 
Yes, that is the case.

But again, I am in the UK, so (in the main) the Berne convention 
applies, where works eventually fall into the public domain after a 
period of time. I can't see any way where you can place a work in the 
public domain immediately. Copyright is automatic.

> 
> Rod Pemberton
> 


-- 
Alex

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ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-20 15:02 +0100
  Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-20 15:55 +0100
    Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-20 17:17 +0000
      Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-20 19:23 +0100
        Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-21 09:40 +0000
        Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth josv@planet.nl - 2017-04-21 02:58 -0700
          Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-21 11:44 +0000
          Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-21 13:49 +0100
            Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth josv@planet.nl - 2017-04-21 09:03 -0700
  Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-20 19:22 +0200
    Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-20 19:19 +0100
  Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-04-21 13:44 +1000
    Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-04-21 22:45 -0400
      Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-04-21 22:50 -0400
        Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 00:57 -0400
          Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-04-22 23:32 -0400
          Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-24 16:54 +0000
            Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 13:05 -0400
              Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-25 07:26 +0000
      Re: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-22 12:48 +0100
  Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-24 13:59 +0000
    Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-24 16:41 +0100
      Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-29 19:13 +0100
  Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 14:07 -0700
    Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-24 22:48 +0100
      Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-29 19:49 +0100
        Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 22:33 +0100
  Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-30 12:20 +0200
    Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 12:00 +0100
      Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-30 14:39 +0200
        Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 14:03 +0100
          Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-30 19:51 +0200
            Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-30 20:03 +0200
              Re: ANN: WF32, a Windows 32 bit Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 20:06 +0100

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