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Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations

From Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations
Date 2016-07-02 11:50 -0500
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On 7/2/2016 10:33 AM, Alex McDonald wrote:
> On 02/07/16 15:39, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>> On 7/2/2016 6:04 AM, Wasell wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:22:47 -0700 (PDT), in article
>>> <4f522a11-969d-4667-aa5e-
>>> d73b38398e31@googlegroups.com>, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2016 at 5:00:52 PM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>>>> On 7/1/2016 3:05 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>>> I don't know much about psychology really, but I know Hugh is clearly
>>>>>> off the tracks.  I wonder if there is a medication that might help
>>>>>> him?
>>>>>> I bet there is no way he could ever be convinced to get help though.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So how about you explain what he said that is crazy? No free passes,
>>>>> give the details.
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> ANS-Forth is a cult! The only way that Forth programmers can appreciate
>>>> ANS-Forth and consider Elizabeth Rather to be a "leading expert" on
>>>> Forth,
>>>> is if they are first given a lobotomy.
>>>
>>> Does this answer your question, Cesil?
>>>
>> My name is Cecil by the way.
>>
>>   Just for fun I went back a bunch of years looking at this issue, what
>> I saw did not endear me to many Forth greats here. I saw comments by
>> Hugh, both rational and calm, followed by gross personal insults from
>> others here that were personal assaults and not logical arguments on the
>> subject, after a while he started down his present path of retaliating
>> against those that kept personally insulting him.  So I concluded that
>> Hugh developed a massive dislike for some persons here based on how he
>> was treated, so as far as I saw he has an excuse for his venting his
>> anger at some here, I rather he did not but I see that there is a valid
>> reason.
>
> You have evidence for this? It's a strange reading of what I've read and
> experienced. I've come in for some pretty unpleasant personal attacks
> over the years.
>
> If you like homophobia, Hugh's got some helpful advice.
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.forth/w3tHPsTaZvE/zs_ag6dWIyEJ
>
I would highly recommend to anyone before they pass harsh judgement on 
someone that they make sure that they are based on all the facts. As 
such I would recommend that you search through the archives yourself and 
see what the background is before passing harsh judgement. But if you 
are happy to pass judgement without all the facts, go for it then, soak 
in it until your fingers are all pruny.

Homophobia? I am against all phobias but I make sure that it's there 
first, the accusation is not a fact. The post you pointed at shows Hugh 
complaining about vulgar language, and I see a bunch of people jumping 
to conclusions that were not supported by his comments. When one is 
looking for insults, it's not hard to find them even when they are not 
there.

Anyway, I'm not Hugh defense attorney, but it seems a little uneven the 
comments I see, specially after looking at the past. Like I mentioned I 
wish Hugh would not retort in a personal way but I'm afraid he is a 
monster of his enemies creation.  It's just like a dog, that gets 
beaten, after a while if it chooses to bite back, then the abuser says 
see, he is a violent dog.

An interesting thing is that I see one person here with horrible anti 
Jew, and anti Catholic reotheric here, and not one comment about about 
it, choosy are we?

>>
>> It's an opinion that differs from yours, that is neither a crime nor a
>> sign of insanity.  That is unless you consider people with different
>> opinions insane, which is the thing to do these days, specially with
>> college kids, they fall apart if anyone offers a different opinion from
>> theirs. Apparently freedom of speech only applies to their speech.
>
> Hugh has a massive dislike of anyone that disagrees with him. He is, of
> course, entitled to his opinion and pet hates. But free speech gives him
> no entitlement to be heard, and he has been banned from other Forth
> communities for disruptive personal attacks. It is only because this is
> a public forum and unmoderated that he continues here.
>
>>
>> How good would our German/Japanese be if kids their age behaved in their
>> manner and refused to fight in WWW II because it hurt their feelings?
>
> What?
>
>>
>> This will not make friends for me here but I was appalled by what I read.
>>
>
> So am I. Why anyone would write that recognising Elizabeth Rather as a
> leading expert could only be done after a lobotomy is, to say the least,
> an unusual way of making a technical point about Forth.
>


-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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  Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-01 11:21 -0700
    Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:58 -0700
      Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-01 12:53 -0700
        Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 16:05 -0400
          Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-07-01 19:00 -0500
            Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-01 18:22 -0700
              Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-07-01 21:16 -0500
              Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Wasell <from_usenet@wasell.eu> - 2016-07-02 13:04 +0200
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-07-02 09:39 -0500
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Alex McDonald <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-07-02 16:33 +0100
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-07-02 11:50 -0500
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 10:45 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 19:24 -0400
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-07-03 11:48 +0100
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 07:08 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 11:49 -0400
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-04 08:25 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-04 16:57 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-07-05 07:40 +0100
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-05 01:38 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations alex@rivadpm.com - 2016-07-05 01:33 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-05 02:28 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 10:06 -0400
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Alex McDonald <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-07-05 20:57 +0100
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 00:12 +0300
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Alex McDonald <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-07-05 22:45 +0100
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 10:50 +0300
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-07-06 03:31 -0500
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-08 09:07 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-07-04 21:08 +0100
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-04 09:10 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Alex McDonald <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-07-02 19:24 +0100
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-02 16:19 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 23:18 -0400
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-02 21:54 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 03:10 -0400
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations Alex McDonald <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-07-03 09:35 +0100
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 19:19 -0400
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 01:45 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 11:52 -0400
            Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 19:10 -0400
              Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-02 13:27 -1000
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-02 16:54 -0700
                Re: 3rd RfD: Quotations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 23:27 -0400
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