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Re: local variable

From "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: local variable
Date 2015-07-10 13:13 +0100
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on 10/07/2015 08:35:39, Michael Barry wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:30:40 AM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote:
>> ...
>> Ummm... what didn't I understand about the original words "It is
>> illegal to execute the xt of a quotation after the parent function
>> has gone out of scope?" This looks like a slam dunk to me.
>>
> 
> I read Hugh's document carefully at least once, and it's a bit too
> advanced for me to understand it completely, but my impression is
> that you are correct.  If an orphaned quotation is called, it
> would happily execute, but would likely corrupt the stack.  Is
> this some kind of catastrophic failure in the design, or just an
> implementation decision that needs to be carefully followed?

No, it's just that Hugh thinks he's fixed a problem. He tells anyone who
disagrees that they're idiots and they don't understand closures and
quotations, and documents the solution in FMITE. Only to have me point
out that that he hasn't actually fixed the problem, and his solution is
more limited than it need be and is stated in ambiguous language,
something he rails against in the ANS spec. 


> 
>> ...
>> I couldn't get your code to work. I imagine most other people didn't
>> try.
>>
> 
> I was waiting for him to share his simulator with me before I tried
> his code.  Did you use his document to whip up your own simulator,
> or are you executing it by hand (or in your head)?  I know that
> you're a pretty sharp cookie, but it puzzles me that you would
> bother to expend the effort.  I know that Hugh isn't interested in
> your opinion, but I am.  Could you share a few thoughts about what
> you feel may be the merits and/or faults of his design?  I, for
> one, thought that it was kind of neat, and I don't feel eccentric
> or ignorant enough to be the only one here who thought so.

The code Hugh was refering to was his "disambiguifiers". It's was an
attempt to get ANS Forth work the way Hugh wants it to.

I've done none of the things you mention apart from give his FMITE
document a brief read. I always have difficulty reading Hugh's stuff as
considerable chunks of it normally end up defaming named individuals and
accusing them of grandiose plans of world domination, and the same is
true in FMITE. I also find most of his technical stuff has similar
problems; it is discursive and not very illuminating windbaggery. 

> 
> Mike B.
> 
>

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  Re: local variable "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-03-14 15:01 -1000
    Re: local variable grobibi <tristanhennequin@free.fr> - 2015-03-15 02:50 +0100
      Re: local variable Gerard Sontag <gerardsontag@gmail.com> - 2015-07-11 09:49 -0700
        Re: local variable Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-07-11 22:50 +0200
          Re: local variable Gerard Sontag <gerardsontag@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 01:03 -0700
            Re: local variable Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-07-12 17:18 +0200
    Re: local variable albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-03-15 03:02 +0000
  Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-15 02:53 +0100
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  Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-14 20:45 -0700
    Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-15 10:53 +0000
      Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-15 22:54 +0100
      Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-15 19:45 -0700
        Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-15 20:15 -0700
          Re: local variable grobibi <tristanhennequin@free.fr> - 2015-03-16 08:42 +0100
        Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-16 07:51 +0000
          Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-16 09:59 -0700
            Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-16 20:31 +0000
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        Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-17 10:59 +0000
          Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-17 18:55 +0100
            Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-17 18:43 +0000
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            Re: local variable "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-03-17 16:43 -1000
              Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-18 04:09 +0100
                Re: local variable "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-03-17 17:55 -1000
                Re: local variable "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-03-20 22:28 +1100
                Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-20 15:43 +0100
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                Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-16 22:03 -0700
        Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-17 14:18 +0000
          Re: local variable albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-03-17 16:24 +0000
            Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-17 16:34 +0000
            Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-18 14:32 +0000
          Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-17 20:08 +0100
            Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-18 15:21 +0000
  Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-16 15:36 +0000
    Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-16 10:09 -0700
      Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-16 20:24 +0000
        Re: local variable "Rod Pemberton" <buzz@notnotnontnooatno.cmm> - 2015-03-16 19:00 -0400
          Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-17 12:06 +0000
            Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-17 14:37 +0000
            Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-17 18:58 +0100
          Re: local variable Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 08:55 -0400
          Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-17 14:15 +0000
      Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-17 16:54 +0000
        Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-17 17:45 +0000
          Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-17 20:14 +0100
          Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-20 15:06 +0000
            Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-20 16:14 -0700
              Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-21 09:47 +0000
            Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-04 19:52 -0700
              Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-05 07:24 +0100
                Re: local variable Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 02:04 -0700
                Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-05 10:36 +0100
                Re: local variable Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 03:25 -0700
                Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-07-05 15:28 +0200
                Re: local variable Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 08:11 -0700
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                Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-07-05 23:53 +0200
                Re: local variable Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 20:31 -0700
                Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-05 19:56 -0700
                Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-05 19:57 -0700
                Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-06 08:09 +0100
                Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-06 19:59 -0700
                Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-07 08:30 +0100
                Re: local variable Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-10 00:35 -0700
                Re: local variable Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 01:41 -0700
                Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-10 13:55 +0100
                Re: local variable Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 07:13 -0700
                Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-10 16:29 +0100
                Re: local variable Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 08:57 -0700
                Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-10 17:48 +0100
                Re: local variable Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-10 10:02 -0700
                Re: local variable "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 17:30 +0000
                Re: local variable Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 10:28 -0700
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                Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-10 21:31 -0700
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                Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-12 15:56 +0000
                Re: local variable humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 11:48 -0700
                Re: local variable Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 21:21 -0700
                Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-10 21:56 -0700
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                Re: local variable franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2015-07-12 02:17 -0700
                Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-12 15:12 +0000
                Re: local variable franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2015-07-13 02:37 -0700
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                Re: local variable franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2015-07-13 14:48 -0700
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                Re: local variable franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2015-07-14 01:44 -0700
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                Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-11 15:14 +0000
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                Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-10 13:13 +0100
                Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-10 21:48 -0700
                Re: local variable franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2015-07-05 03:47 -0700
                Re: local variable Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 04:15 -0700
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                Re: local variable franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2015-07-05 07:08 -0700
  Re: local variable "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-18 05:04 +0000
    Re: local variable "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-08 16:09 +0000
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    Re: Ignore the standard Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 07:26 -0400
      Re: Ignore the standard "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-20 17:31 +0000
        Re: Ignore the standard Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-20 17:41 -0400
          Re: Ignore the standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-03-20 14:26 -1000
            Re: Ignore the standard Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 06:00 -0400
              Re: Ignore the standard hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-21 15:11 -0700
          Re: Ignore the standard Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-21 02:49 +0100
            Re: Ignore the standard Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 06:04 -0400
    Re: Ignore the standard "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-18 16:05 +0000
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