Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded
Date	2014-07-19 00:37 +0200
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Stephen Pelc wrote:
> It's certainly true that 64 bit CPUs are good for applications
> that use a lot of 64 bit data. Outside the scientific domains
> there does not seem to be a great demand for 64 bit data.
> We only have one client who can show a need for much better
> processing of 64/128 bit data.

The most time consuming part in net2o is Keccak, which I use for symmetric 
encryption.  It is designed so that it runs perfect on 64 bit CPUs, and 
still "good" in 32 bit mode.  The speedup of Keccak in 64 bit is more than a 
factor 2.  Partially, because there are more registers, partially because it 
simply can churn 2 times the data.

The other critical operation is Ed25519, an elliptic curve, which is used 
for signing and diffie hellman key exchange.  The speedup here is even 
bigger (would be a factor of more than 4, because Ed25519 is wide 
multiplication dominated, but thanks to SSE, it's less than that).

This is all C code, which I access as library, so it's not related to Forth.  
This is by far the most time consuming part of net2o (the next biggest is 
the Linux kernel passing UDP packets around, which takes nearly as long as 
the entire encryption, and a lot longer than the net2o protocol overhead!).

So apart from scientific domains, encryption wants 64 bits, too.  So if I 
had to choose between Gforth and VFX from a performance point of view, VFX 
would accelerate the 20% that is actually spent in Forth code by a factor 2 
or more.  But of the rest, 50% would slow down by a factor >2, due to the 32 
bit limitation.

And we are already having smartphones with 64 bit CPUs out there: iPhone 5s.  
Android L supports 64 bits, too, so 64 bit Android phones will come, soon.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 02:35 -0700
  Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-07-10 17:18 +0200
    Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 08:41 -0700
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-07-10 17:55 +0200
        Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-07-10 19:53 +0000
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 05:15 -0700
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 09:02 -0700
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-10 15:45 -1000
        Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 21:44 -0700
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-10 18:53 -1000
            Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-11 12:59 +0000
              Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-07-11 09:33 -0500
              Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-11 07:33 -1000
        Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-07-11 20:32 -0700
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-11 18:02 -1000
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-07-12 11:54 +0100
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 23:41 -0400
            Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-20 21:09 -1000
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 00:59 -0700
  Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-10 09:06 -0700
    Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 11:12 -0700
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-07-10 11:30 -0700
        Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 11:59 -0700
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded mhx@iae.nl - 2014-07-10 12:54 -0700
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-10 12:56 -0700
            Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-10 13:19 -0700
              Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-07-10 23:01 +0200
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-10 16:29 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-07-11 02:15 +0200
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-10 20:00 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-10 17:56 -1000
                Implementing UM/MOD (was: Forth16e, Forth32e, ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-11 12:12 +0000
                Re: Implementing UM/MOD (was: Forth16e, Forth32e, ...) bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-11 07:41 -0700
                Re: Implementing UM/MOD (was: Forth16e, Forth32e, ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-11 15:56 +0000
                Re: Implementing UM/MOD (was: Forth16e, Forth32e, ...) bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-11 09:26 -0700
                Re: Implementing UM/MOD AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-07-11 20:05 +0200
                Re: Implementing UM/MOD (was: Forth16e, Forth32e, ...) bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-12 01:38 -0700
                Re: Implementing UM/MOD (was: Forth16e, Forth32e, ...) bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-12 02:00 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-07-13 09:31 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-13 07:02 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 09:35 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-13 10:02 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-07-13 12:18 -0500
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 10:45 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-13 08:06 -1000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-13 08:02 -1000
            Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-07-11 10:28 +0100
              Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-11 06:28 -0700
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-07-10 20:18 +0000
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-12 19:01 -0700
            Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-15 22:18 -0700
              Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 00:01 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-16 18:25 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 10:21 +0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-17 15:56 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 09:35 +0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 00:32 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 00:36 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-17 16:52 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-16 22:55 -1000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-17 16:34 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-07-18 14:30 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-18 14:40 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-07-18 17:05 +0200
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-18 17:26 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-07-19 22:31 +0200
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-21 15:14 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-07-19 00:37 +0200
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-18 16:30 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-07-19 01:40 +0200
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-18 17:00 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-19 16:36 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-19 21:36 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-19 21:05 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-21 02:01 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 06:09 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 06:25 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-20 22:11 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 22:47 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-20 21:02 -1000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-21 21:54 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-22 03:47 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 01:06 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 01:12 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-22 04:25 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-22 20:41 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-22 08:25 -1000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-22 19:15 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-23 04:23 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-07-23 12:48 +0200
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-21 21:35 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 23:53 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-22 18:11 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 22:08 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 22:22 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-07-23 03:27 -0500
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-24 19:00 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-07-25 03:51 -0500
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2014-07-25 04:50 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 08:11 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-25 23:01 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-07-26 04:13 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-26 08:02 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-25 13:10 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-25 23:09 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-22 03:45 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-21 01:59 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-07-21 12:41 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-21 08:42 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-07-20 09:28 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-21 02:01 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-09-19 20:05 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 04:30 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-09-20 18:15 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 06:48 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-09-21 20:50 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-09-21 20:38 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-21 08:37 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-07-20 11:45 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-20 19:55 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-21 15:10 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-07-21 16:34 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-22 10:53 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-07-22 14:42 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-23 15:50 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-07-23 16:40 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-24 14:08 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-25 06:36 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-18 22:59 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-07-19 11:17 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-19 17:04 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-07-19 21:38 -0400
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-07-17 10:16 +0000
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-17 16:13 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded mhx@iae.nl - 2014-07-19 08:04 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 20:51 -0700
              Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-07-27 21:08 -0700
        Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-07-10 20:12 +0000
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-10 13:49 -0700
            Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-07-10 11:31 -1000
              Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-10 16:30 -0700
                Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 01:11 -0700
              Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 21:30 -0700
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-07-10 21:57 +0200
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 23:47 -0400
  Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-07-10 12:48 -0500
    Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 11:33 -0700
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-07-10 23:35 +0200
        Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 21:51 -0700
  Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2014-07-11 12:30 +0200
    Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-07-11 11:56 +0100
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-07-11 07:08 -0500
        Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-07-12 18:46 +0100
          Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2014-07-14 15:50 +0200
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-07-11 17:50 -0700
    Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-14 17:32 -0700
  Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 21:56 -0700
    Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-12 23:12 -0700
    Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-07-13 10:42 +0000
      Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-07-13 13:54 +0200
  Re: Forth16e, Forth32e, "de facto" forth programming standards for embedded bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-07-13 09:57 -0700

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