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Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors

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On 18/09/2013 22:36, Roelf Toxopeus wrote:
> In article <l1cl8e$5a1$1@dont-email.me>,
>   Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Ah, sorrry. I thought you understood.
> Mac users are advised by Apple to disable Java.

No I wasn't aware of that. It may seem odd but I do my best to ignore Apple.

> I'm not against Java or any other way to coax a computer to do what you
> want it to do. Apologies.
>
>>
>>>
>>> A bit more seriously: words like BYE cost nothing. Your fingers know
>>> what to do, after typing it a gazillion times. It's like a one button
>>> press. Similar how your fingers remember telephone numbers...
>>> Being brought up with GUI Forth systems, I know all to well what to do
>>> with double click. But my fingers started to protest after 20+ years.
>>>
>>
>> I know what you mean but I'm not sure what BYE has to do with it, at the
>> end of a test run either I leave the Forth window running or put a BYE
>> at the end of the test file (or maybe something like KEY BYE so that I
>> can see what happened before the window disappears as silent crashes are
>> not unknown).
>
> NoTE: it's not BYE alone, also rebooting is included. It's a sequence:
> BYE<return><uparrow><return>
> quit Forth and reboot, perhaps sometimes called COLD.
> I used to have a word HELLO which did this in MacForth. For the non Mac
> users: HELLO is a pun on BYE of course, but also on the Mac ad "Hello
> Again" which introduced the first iMac and en passant Steve Jobs return
> at Apple. Forth is words and spaces and I like play with words. My
> mistake.
> Right, when am I using this? During development after many re-includes,
> and I don't trust the state my system is in. Start fresh.
> On the older 68000 and PPC machines this takes a few seconds. So EMPTY
> is preferred where I can. But I discovered that on the Mac Intel
> machines the Darwin/Unix Forth systems where so blindingly fast in
> booting that I used the above mentioned key sequence for re-including
> files. With the advantage of including in fresh, uncorrupted systems. I
> weaned myself of EMPTY, like I weaned myself from FORGET. Both words
> very dear to me, but not needed anymore, they served their time. The
> more I can prune from a system, the better.
> Unlike Anton Ertle, I do not put a BYE in the commandline sequence. I
> like to start Forth and work from there. Unlike you I don't put BYE at
> the end of a file. Exception during creation of new Forth turnkeys.
> For those cases where it's very inconvenient to quit Forth during
> development I have a bag of extra's which make live a little easier.
>
> That's all, I hope I clarified.
>

Yes, thank you. I think we all evolve a way of working to suit ourselves 
and it's interesting to know what others do because they often have 
better ideas. I don't always put BYE at the end of a file, in fact it's 
probably rare during development - it's a simple matter to comment it 
out anyway.

-- 
Gerry

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Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors General Van Ryberg <vvdleun@hotmail.com> - 2013-09-16 12:15 -0700
  Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2013-09-16 20:39 +0100
  Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors voidvolker@gmail.com - 2013-09-16 12:50 -0700
  Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-09-16 11:02 -1000
  Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2013-09-17 00:50 +0200
  Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-09-16 20:35 -0700
    Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 00:39 -0400
      Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors josv@planet.nl - 2013-09-27 09:34 -0700
  Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-09-17 10:57 +0000
    Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2013-09-17 17:49 +0200
      Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-09-17 17:05 +0000
        Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2013-09-17 22:17 +0200
          Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-09-18 10:38 +0000
        Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 00:15 +0100
          Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2013-09-18 09:37 +0200
            Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-09-18 08:46 +0000
            Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 17:44 +0100
              Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2013-09-18 23:36 +0200
                Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 11:53 +0100
          Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-09-18 08:54 +0000
            Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 13:19 +0100
            Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 11:41 +0100
              Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors no.top.post@gmail.com - 2013-10-02 00:56 +0000
          Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-09-18 10:40 +0000
            Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 17:36 +0100
    Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-09-17 21:50 -0700
      Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-09-18 08:39 +0000
  Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 10:39 -0700
    Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 10:43 -0700
  Re: Advice requested on working with Forth and external editors General Van Ryberg <vvdleun@hotmail.com> - 2013-09-21 00:32 -0700

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