Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?]

From	"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm>
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Subject	Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?]
Date	2012-11-14 06:42 -0500
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"Mark Wills" <forthfreak@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6a42ffc1-3ac7-4099-905d-e5e89bccd13b@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
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> The definition of COUNT is quite interesting. It actually indirectly,
> and presumably un-intentionally mandates the format of a string in
> Forth.
>
> [This is at least second time the ANS COUNT definition
> was posted in this thread ...]
...

Yes.  The ANS COUNT definition defines a string as counted, or more
precisely assumes a counted string.  As long as the stack arguments are
functionally correct, the verbal definition is irrelevant.  fig-Forth by
using the word "presumes" doesn't define a string as counted.  It allows
for non-counted string implementations also.

> Note the last line: u *is* the contents of the character at c-addr1...

Yes.  Also note that Ms. Rather has stated in the past that the count isn't
required to be a character in size for Forth.  IIRC, she suggested a word
(16-bits) be used for a the count of a counted string.

> So, there's no way around it in actual fact. If you wanted to
> implement strings in a different way under the covers, you'd be
> prevented from doing so.

Wrong, or it should be wrong if it isn't.  Officially, the ANS Forth
specifications don't support a machine model.  Defining a string format
requires a machine model model to be defined in part.  Numerous Forth
"experts" here have even stated ANS doesn't define a machine model.  Earlier
Forth specifications did define a machine model.  Supposedly, those
specifications were very problematic because the fixed the sizes of integers
and addresses were hardcoded and inflexible.  Well, string formats are no
different and would suffer the same problem.  I.e., you have to take the ANS
COUNT definition requiring counted strings as "wrong".

> [more ANS stuff]

ANS Forth specification has a variety of errors in it.  E.g., "immediacy" is
not required for ; semicolon.

> If the format of a string is mandatory, then the
> appropriate place to describe it (or refer to it) is within the
> definition of the word S" not COUNT.

The appropriate place is *before* definitions, but the string format
shouldn't be defined.  If it is, then the specification hasn't been
fully abstracted from the machine model, i.e., the Forth specification
authors failed in their jobs.


Rod Pemberton

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Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 04:58 -0700
  Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-31 05:22 -0700
    Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 05:44 -0700
      Re: Is there a better way? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-31 11:29 -0400
        Re: Is there a better way? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-31 11:40 -0400
          Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 08:45 -0700
            Re: Is there a better way? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-02 04:48 -0400
          Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 21:42 -0400
            Re: Is there a better way? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-01 19:19 -0700
              Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 13:06 -0400
                Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-02 12:18 -0500
                Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 14:34 -0400
                Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-02 11:39 -0700
                Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 14:43 -0400
                Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-04 02:36 -0600
                Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 14:18 -0500
                Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 14:38 -0700
                Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-04 03:01 -0600
                Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 03:54 -0800
                Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-04 07:59 -0600
                Re: Is there a better way? Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-04 08:34 -1000
                Re: Is there a better way? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-04 15:22 -0800
                Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-05 02:39 -0800
                Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-05 14:01 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-05 10:39 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-05 21:07 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-06 20:57 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-06 21:43 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 03:52 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-07 19:55 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-07 20:46 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-11-08 10:39 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-12 03:48 -0600
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-12 07:57 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-12 19:50 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-12 19:49 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-12 15:00 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 00:50 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 00:58 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-12 23:17 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-13 13:44 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-13 13:53 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-13 06:39 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-13 18:02 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-13 12:10 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-15 16:59 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 07:55 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-14 06:34 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-14 05:01 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-14 16:11 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-14 09:36 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-11-14 12:19 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-13 10:20 -0600
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 08:50 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-14 06:42 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-11-14 14:14 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-14 15:28 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-14 17:54 +0100
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-14 15:01 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-15 00:08 -0800
                Strings (was: Words consuming arguments) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-15 15:18 +0000
                Re: Strings (was: Words consuming arguments) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-15 16:36 +0000
                Re: Strings (was: Words consuming arguments) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-15 18:35 -0500
                Re: Strings (was: Words consuming arguments) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-11-16 00:36 +0000
                Re: Strings (was: Words consuming arguments) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-16 17:42 +0000
                Re: Strings (was: Words consuming arguments) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-16 17:55 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-17 04:18 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-17 04:56 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-17 07:24 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-19 15:58 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 08:17 -0800
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-14 06:30 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-14 09:06 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-15 06:18 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-13 04:26 -0600
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-14 06:29 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-14 06:03 -0600
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-15 07:15 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-15 11:51 -0600
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-15 18:44 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-16 03:50 -0600
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-15 08:09 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-06 21:19 -1000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-07 20:00 -0500
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-11-08 10:49 +0000
                Re: Words consuming arguments, was [Re: Is there a better way?] albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-07 14:01 +0000
                Re: Is there a better way? awegel@arcor.de (Alex Wegel) - 2012-11-04 11:07 +0100
                Re: Is there a better way? awegel@arcor.de (Alex Wegel) - 2012-11-04 11:36 +0100
                Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 03:48 -0800
                Re: Is there a better way? awegel@arcor.de (Alex Wegel) - 2012-11-04 13:31 +0100
                Re: Is there a better way? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2012-11-04 13:29 +0100
                Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 04:42 -0800
                Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-04 02:38 -0600
    Re: Is there a better way? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 10:20 -0400
  Re: Is there a better way? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 05:53 -0700
  Re: Is there a better way? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 09:23 -0400
    Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 06:41 -0700
      Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-31 11:46 -0500
        Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 14:27 -0700
          Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-31 14:32 -0700
            Re: Is there a better way? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-31 16:15 -0700
          Re: Is there a better way? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2012-10-31 22:49 +0100
          Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-31 17:13 -0500
            Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 23:39 -0700
              Re: Is there a better way? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-31 20:58 -1000
              Re: Is there a better way? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-01 02:04 -0700
          Re: Is there a better way? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-31 19:13 -0400
          Re: Is there a better way? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-02 17:31 +0000
            Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-02 10:37 -0700
              Re: Is there a better way? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-02 18:12 +0000
                Re: Is there a better way? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-02 08:29 -1000
                Re: Is there a better way? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-05 14:53 +0000
                Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-02 11:30 -0700
                Re: Is there a better way? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-03 00:15 +0100
                Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 19:21 -0400
                Re: Is there a better way? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-03 00:42 +0100
                Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 20:21 -0400
                Re: Is there a better way? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-03 01:44 +0100
                Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-03 12:12 -0400
                Re: Is there a better way? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-03 18:24 +0100
                Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-03 14:00 -0400
                Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-03 10:29 -0700
                Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-02 18:42 -0700
                Re: Is there a better way? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-05 11:45 +0000
        Re: Is there a better way? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-01 21:00 +0000
  Re: Is there a better way? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-10-31 15:26 +0000
    Re: Is there a better way? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 12:22 -0400
      Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 15:07 -0700
        Re: Is there a better way? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 19:16 -0400
          Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 06:31 -0700
            Re: Is there a better way? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 10:34 -0400
              Re: Is there a better way? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 10:48 -0400
                Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 08:55 -0700
              Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 08:49 -0700
                Re: Is there a better way? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 12:46 -0400
            Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-01 09:37 -0500
            Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-01 07:41 -0700
              Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 08:52 -0700
                Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-01 12:18 -0500
                Re: Is there a better way? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-01 19:38 -0700
                Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 02:29 -0700
                Re: Is there a better way? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-04 21:48 -0800
                Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-05 02:44 -0800
            Re: Is there a better way? Graham NEWS <gray@forthman.plus.com> - 2012-11-01 15:52 +0000
          Re: Is there a better way? Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2012-11-03 16:38 +0000
    Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 14:26 -0700
      Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 13:42 -0400
  Re: Is there a better way? Graham <""gray\"@forthman@plus.com"> - 2012-10-31 17:05 +0000
    Re: Is there a better way? Peter Fälth <peter.falth@tin.it> - 2012-10-31 12:07 -0700
      Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-31 12:12 -0700
        Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 14:17 -0700
    Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 14:21 -0700
      Re: Is there a better way? Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 14:50 -0700
        Re: Is there a better way? Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 14:51 -0700
          Re: Is there a better way? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-31 14:57 -0700
            Re: Is there a better way? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2012-10-31 23:47 +0100
              Re: Is there a better way? mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-11-01 21:28 +0200
        Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 15:11 -0700
          Re: Is there a better way? Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 15:44 -0700
            Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 13:55 -0400
  Re: Is there a better way? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-31 16:10 -0700
  Re: Is there a better way? Charles Mélice <charles.melice@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 01:10 -0700
    Re: Is there a better way? Charles Mélice <charles.melice@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 01:18 -0700
    Re: Is there a better way? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 01:58 -0700
      Re: Is there a better way? Charles Mélice <charles.melice@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 02:14 -0700
        Re: Is there a better way? Charles Mélice <charles.melice@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 02:16 -0700
          Re: Is there a better way? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-11-02 06:16 -0500
            Re: Is there a better way? Charles Mélice <charles.melice@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 06:04 -0700
    Re: Is there a better way? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 13:13 -0400

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