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Re: Is it sill FORTH ?

From Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Subject Re: Is it sill FORTH ?
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
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Date 2016-06-14 03:51 -0500

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Marek Brunda <marekb@phoenics.org> wrote:
> 
> When you noted VALUE, can anybody explain the reason, why we have
> VALUEs in addition to VARIABLEs?

You can find the original proposal at
http://www.forth.org/fd/FD-V01N4.pdf.  Here is the justification:

    At the Catalina standardization meeting,
    Chuck Moore suggested rapidly the "TO"
    construct to aleviate some, if not all, of
    the difficulties associated with address
    manipulation.  This new construction seems
    to me extremely powerful.  It should con-
    siderably decrease the number of errors
    and improve the readability of programs.
    It is very easy to understand and to use
    (much easier in fact than the constructs
    it is replacing!).  Its implementation is
    also trivial but the lack of experience in
    using it may hide some difficulties.

I've never been convinced by this line of reasoning, but it's part of
Forth's history.

Note that this original definition of "TO" works in a rather different
way from TO as eventually standardized.

Andrew.

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Is it sill FORTH ? Marek Brunda <marekb@phoenics.org> - 2016-06-13 13:41 -0700
  Re: Is it sill FORTH ? crc <charles.childers@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 13:57 -0700
    Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-13 15:18 -0700
      Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-13 15:34 -0700
        Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-13 15:37 -0700
        Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-13 15:45 -0700
          Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-13 15:54 -0700
            Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-06-14 01:41 +0200
              Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-13 16:48 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-06-14 03:24 -0500
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-14 02:53 -0700
              Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-06-14 01:53 +0200
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-13 17:25 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Marek Brunda <marekb@phoenics.org> - 2016-06-13 22:23 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 03:13 -0400
                VALUE Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-06-14 09:17 +0200
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-06-14 03:51 -0500
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Marek Brunda <marekb@phoenics.org> - 2016-06-14 02:45 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-06-15 04:21 -0500
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 21:02 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-08-05 21:48 -1000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-08-06 05:37 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 06:37 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-08-06 08:53 -0500
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 07:18 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 07:40 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-08-06 15:07 -1000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-08-06 19:14 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 10:38 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-08-07 20:57 -1000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@nothishetnet.nl> - 2016-08-08 22:20 +0200
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-08-08 12:14 -1000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-08-09 00:29 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-08-06 19:30 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 07:42 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-08-07 13:34 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 16:13 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-08-08 15:36 -0500
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2016-08-06 06:28 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 16:42 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-08-08 12:31 -1000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-08 16:38 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? mhx@iae.nl - 2016-08-08 22:49 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-08 23:43 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-08-08 22:16 -1000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2016-08-09 03:54 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-14 03:42 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Marek Brunda <marekb@phoenics.org> - 2016-06-14 04:58 -0700
            Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 05:04 -0700
          Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 19:22 -0400
            Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-14 05:22 -0700
              Re: Is it sill FORTH ? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-14 12:41 +0000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-14 06:30 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-14 14:21 +0000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 13:21 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-06-14 17:45 -0400
              Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-06-14 10:55 -0500
          Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-13 16:38 -0700
            Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-13 16:41 -0700
              Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-14 03:54 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-14 08:14 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 13:24 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-14 11:03 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-14 12:42 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-14 13:28 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-14 13:42 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-14 14:47 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 19:37 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Marek Brunda <marekb@phoenics.org> - 2016-06-14 17:01 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Marek Brunda <marekb@phoenics.org> - 2016-06-14 17:06 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-06-15 07:57 +0200
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-06-15 16:12 +0200
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-06-15 03:20 -0500
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 20:20 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Marek Brunda <marekb@phoenics.org> - 2016-06-14 17:33 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 21:21 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-14 19:57 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 23:03 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-14 20:31 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 01:36 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-18 12:54 +0000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-18 13:28 +0000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-18 07:17 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 18:31 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-25 14:55 +0000
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-25 19:58 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 21:14 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 19:32 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-14 17:13 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Marek Brunda <marekb@phoenics.org> - 2016-06-14 17:21 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-14 18:36 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-06-15 16:06 +0200
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-15 06:36 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-06-15 09:20 -0500
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-15 10:55 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-15 11:07 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-06-15 16:20 +0200
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? mhx@iae.nl - 2016-06-15 11:19 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 22:10 -0700
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 01:33 -0400
                Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 19:31 -0400
      Re: Is it sill FORTH ? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-14 11:15 +0000
    Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 05:02 -0700
      Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 01:44 -0700
        Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 08:31 -0700
          Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-15 17:10 -0700
      Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-08-05 01:09 +0000
  Re: Is it sill FORTH ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 00:55 -0700
  Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-06-14 16:15 +0200
    Re: Is it sill FORTH ? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-06-15 15:43 -0700
    Re: Is it sill FORTH ? krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2016-06-15 17:03 -0700
      Re: Is it sill FORTH ? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 22:36 -0400
  Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Mat <dambere@web.de> - 2016-06-26 04:14 -0700
    Re: Is it sill FORTH ? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-06-26 14:50 +0200
      Re: Is it sill FORTH ? lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-26 18:58 -0700
        Re: Is it sill FORTH ? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-06-26 22:41 -1000

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