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| Date | 2015-05-24 14:50 -1000 |
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
| Organization | FORTH, Inc. |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: ColorForth - another dead end? |
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On 5/24/15 1:18 PM, borota@gmail.com wrote: > His sourceless from what I could understand was of very different > kind than VB :) Oversimplified: Write/edit your programs directly > in binary, even assembly was too much... > > Thanks for the link. It answers my question after reading Starting > Forth once. All cool but how about some data structures and more > serious programming? > Unfortunately, Starting Forth presents a very simplified view of the state of Forth 30 years ago, which even more unrepresentative of Forth today than K&R is of the current state of C programming (K&R was at least aimed at professional programmers). If you are interested in Forth I highly recommend some more recent and more technical books on the language, of which there are several. My book, the Forth Programmer's Handbook, is available from Amazon as well as a free pdf included with the evaluation version of FORTH, Inc.'s SwiftForth (windows, Linux, OSX) and SwiftX (interactive cross-compiler for popular microcontrollers) in addition to extensive documentation of these respective implementations. Both SwiftForth and SwiftX have been used in major software projects: SwiftX, for example, runs communication multiplexors that manage much of the electric power grid in North America. Forth takes a unique approach to data structures. It provides some simple ones, but more importantly provides a mechanism for defining application-specific data structures. In other words, instead of having to express your application data in some pre-defined kind of structure, there's a very simple way of defining exactly what you need that behaves exactly how you need it to. This mechanism, using the words CREATE and DOES>, lets you in effect design a new class of words with a specified compile-time behavior and run-time behavior. Examples have included automatically index circular tables of coefficients (every time you invoke a reference to a table you get the next element), data "objects" that actually read a value from an I/O port and scale it appropriately, multi-dimensional arrays, arrays and tables that range-check index parameters, objects that "live" in a file or in flash, and many more. In your search for matrices, you've found one example; believe me, that's just the beginning! As far as colorFORTH is concerned, it represents a direction that Chuck Moore has been pursuing for some years now that is quite divergent from mainstream Forth. Although it embodies some interesting ideas, it has not really caught on among programmers using Forth professionally. Cheers, Elizabeth -- ================================================== Elizabeth D. Rather (US & Canada) 800-55-FORTH FORTH Inc. +1 310.999.6784 5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA 90045 http://www.forth.com "Forth-based products and Services for real-time applications since 1973." ==================================================
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ColorForth - another dead end? borota@gmail.com - 2015-05-24 12:22 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-24 14:00 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? borota@gmail.com - 2015-05-24 16:18 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-24 16:45 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-05-24 14:50 -1000
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-24 18:12 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? onewhohopes@gmail.com - 2015-05-28 13:00 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-28 18:55 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-29 00:49 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-29 07:56 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-29 15:04 +0000
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-29 10:03 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-29 10:15 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-29 19:28 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-30 12:34 +0000
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-29 19:19 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-29 22:30 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? "Rod Pemberton" <fork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-05-30 00:14 -0400
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-29 22:22 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-30 09:27 +0100
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-30 02:05 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-30 10:21 +0100
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-30 04:08 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-30 07:43 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-30 09:42 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-30 10:25 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-30 22:36 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-31 16:38 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-31 09:11 +0100
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-05-31 11:31 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-01 13:21 +0000
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-06-01 08:18 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-06-01 09:07 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-06-01 23:31 -0700
Field name overloading (was: ColorForth - another dead end?) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-02 09:47 +0000
Re: Field name overloading (was: ColorForth - another dead end?) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-06-02 13:07 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-06-01 08:20 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? "Rod Pemberton" <fork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-05-30 15:34 -0400
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-29 22:55 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-05-30 00:54 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-05-30 17:20 +0000
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-31 15:17 +0000
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2015-05-25 10:06 +0300
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-25 11:11 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-25 14:22 -0400
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-05-25 14:57 -1000
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? borota@gmail.com - 2015-05-25 20:42 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-29 19:46 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? "Rod Pemberton" <fork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-05-30 00:03 -0400
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-24 21:51 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-25 11:17 +0000
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-25 01:50 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-25 02:11 -0700
Re: ColorForth - another dead end? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-25 14:11 +0000
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