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Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long)

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krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org writes:
>However, for the case of hi=
>ghly efficient floating point matrix multiplication, the most appropriate c=
>oding, which is also not particularly hard for this case, is assembly langu=
>age. Forth supports writing and calling words in assembler.

No, for high-performance matrix multiplication, the most appropriate
thing is to call a library routine, despite the anti-library stance
frequently espoused here (e.g., '"standard libraries" full of
inefficient code to take care of all possible cases, etc.'
<yPGdnRKY5J87K4vEnZ2dnUU7-aPNnZ2d@supernews.com>).  The people who
wrote the matrix multiplication libraries have put months of work
based on years of work by others into making these libraries fast.
It's unlikely that you or I will do better without putting as much
work in.  Also, because these libraries are written for common
interfaces, it's easier to make code using them portable.  E.g., your
assembly code for SwiftForth will not work on iForth and vice versa,
because these two systems are written for different instruction sets
(despite running on the same machines).

But the purpose of this test was not to get the fastest matrix
multiplication possible, but to check the claims that I and others
have made about the performance of Forth-94 FP code vs. Forth-2012 FP
code, and about the performance of a separate vs. a combined stack.
And you cannot check that by writing the matrix multiplication in
assembly, or calling a library routine.

We had the same routine FAXPY-NOSTRIDE available in close-to-Forth-94
(written by someone who advocates this way of writing FP code) and in
Forth-2012 (written by someone who advocates this way of writing FP
code), so I used that for this comparison.  You can write matrix
multiplication with FAXPY-NOSTRIDE, so I used that for the benchmark.

If you want to use Forth FP only in those cases where performance does
not matter, then all the performance claims that have been made here
and the performance results that I found become irrelevant.  It would
be good enough to keep the FP stack pointer in a user variable, and
update it on every FP operation (which turned out to be expensive in
my results).  In that case we can focus on what's easier to write; and
there Forth-2012 wins.

- anton
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Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-13 07:34 +0000
  Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 11:16 -0700
    Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 11:49 -0700
      Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 13:38 -0700
        Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) mhx@iae.nl - 2017-05-13 15:08 -0700
          Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 00:51 -0700
          Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-14 07:32 +0000
            Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) mhx@iae.nl - 2017-05-14 02:46 -0700
              Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-14 14:57 +0000
                Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-15 19:11 -0700
    Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-14 08:14 +0000
  Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-13 15:58 -0700
    Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-14 07:01 +0000
  Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-14 19:04 -0700
    Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-15 06:10 +0000
      Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-15 01:49 -0700
        Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-15 14:33 +0000
  Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-05-15 13:44 +1000
    Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-15 04:43 -0500
    Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-15 15:03 +0000
      Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-05-17 00:10 +1000
  Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 09:04 -0700
    Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-17 15:54 +0000
      Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) mhx@iae.nl - 2017-05-17 10:29 -0700
      Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 23:53 -0700
        Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 02:34 -0700
  Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 22:48 -0700
    Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-17 06:51 +0000
      Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 09:29 -0700
    Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-17 11:07 +0000
      Re: Forth-94 vs. Forth-2012 FP data (long) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-17 15:02 +0000

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