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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) |
| Date | 2016-09-27 14:49 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2016Sep27.164912@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
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stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) writes:
>On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:01:16 GMT, anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
>(Anton Ertl) wrote:
>
>>So in the latest meeting the committee has decided to encourage
>>"experimental proposals". It's not quite clear to me how that differs
>>from an ordinary RfD, but my impression is the idea is to put up
>>another hoop for proponents so that the ossified standard can be
>>protected from dangerous ideas.
>
>The remit of the standard is to codify common practice. This means
>that the practice to be standardised is widespread. The idea of
>experimental proposals is to allow proposals for new practice to be
>taken seriously. and perhaps to become common practice.
You mean, until now you don't take RfDs for new practice seriously,
but once the "experimental proposal" sticker is put on it, you will?
>Regardless of the 1984-style redefinition of the mean of
>"recognition", recognisers are not widespread at present. They
>are a perfect example of experimental practice, and by having a
>formal proposal, systems are encouraged to experiment with them.
Sure. That proposal is at the RfD stage, so accepting it into the
standard is not even on the table. However, what I am missing is the
willingness for experimentation, and using the face-to-face time that
you think is so valuable for hashing out technical (or documentation)
issues. Given that, your reaction will be the same next year, in five
years, in twenty years, etc.
As for recognizers not being widespread, they are present in at least
two systems, more than the Text Substitution proposal when it was put
up for committee vote, and maybe as many as the Text Substitution
proposal is implemented in now. So, when the proposal reaches
stability (CfV stage), that level of spreading should be enough for
you to accept it.
- anton
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Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-26 10:40 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-28 06:43 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-28 04:48 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-26 14:58 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-26 11:02 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-26 23:28 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-27 03:49 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-09-27 11:43 +0100
Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-26 16:01 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-09-26 20:06 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-27 14:49 +0000
Re: Standardization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-27 11:20 -0500
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-09-28 12:07 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-29 02:07 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-09-28 19:40 -0700
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 15:22 -0700
Re: Standardization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-29 04:12 -0500
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-09-29 10:15 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:38 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 18:04 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-27 13:37 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2016-09-28 13:54 -0700
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