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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth |
| Date | 2016-09-26 14:58 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2016Sep26.165803@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
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Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> writes:
>Quotations are neat, but they don't add a great deal of power to the
>language. On the other hand, their cost and footprint is small. I
>think that they'll turn out to be useful enough to be standardized,
>but once a word is in the standard it's hard to get rid of it.
Currently it is much easier to get rid of words than to add words;
admittedly, for the getting-rid part to actually take effect takes a
lot of time, but the amount of work required is smaller by several
orders of magnitude:
For getting rid of a word, you don't even need to make an RfD; someone
proposes to make the word obsolescent at a meeting, without providing
any numbers on usage or anything, the committee takes a vote, and the
word is obsolescent, and will be gone in the next-but-one standard
unless there is a concerted effort to keep it in, as happened for
FORGET (and even then the committee decided to keep it obsolescent, so
the fans of FORGET may have to make the same effort the next time).
This has happened to LOCALS| and [COMPILE], and almost to (LOCAL).
For adding a word, you can jump through all the hoops, write a
proposal, get it voted on, have implementations for several Forth
systems, demonstrate that the programmers feel that there is a need
for it by resorting to return-address manipulation to get the feature,
show a count of how many times the proposed form of the feature is
used, answer all the questions that the committee has about the
proposal (with an explicit "no" to the question whether there are
further questions), and on committee vote the proposal fails to get
consensus. This has happened to quotations.
- anton
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Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-15 14:19 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-09-15 17:58 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth tabcomputing@gmail.com - 2016-09-24 18:48 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-09-24 21:47 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth tabcomputing@gmail.com - 2016-09-25 08:11 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-09-25 20:14 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-26 11:12 +0200
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-09-26 12:16 +0100
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-26 14:30 +0200
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 15:10 +0200
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-26 16:07 +0200
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-26 13:43 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-26 16:36 +0200
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@zxdehrnyya.cam> - 2016-09-25 15:18 -0400
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anotherreepca@gmail.com - 2016-09-18 09:01 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-18 11:35 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth minforth@arcor.de - 2016-09-19 03:21 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-19 09:49 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth minforth@arcor.de - 2016-09-19 12:38 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-20 11:23 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 12:55 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-21 02:24 +0200
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-09-20 14:52 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2016-09-19 10:12 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-19 12:40 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-09-21 10:09 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-19 13:29 +0200
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-09-19 07:16 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-19 17:10 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 22:43 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-21 12:39 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-09-22 11:40 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:28 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:19 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 20:11 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-24 10:55 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 11:14 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-25 03:01 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 02:21 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-09-25 14:01 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-25 15:04 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-09-25 17:39 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-25 17:56 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 20:34 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-25 22:37 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-26 02:34 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-26 14:04 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-26 10:40 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-28 06:43 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-28 04:48 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-26 14:58 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-26 11:02 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-26 23:28 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-27 03:49 -0500
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-09-27 11:43 +0100
Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-26 16:01 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-09-26 20:06 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-27 14:49 +0000
Re: Standardization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-27 11:20 -0500
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-09-28 12:07 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-29 02:07 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-09-28 19:40 -0700
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 15:22 -0700
Re: Standardization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-29 04:12 -0500
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-09-29 10:15 +0000
Re: Standardization (was: Essential properties of current standard Forth) Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:38 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 18:04 -0700
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-27 13:37 +0000
Re: Essential properties of current standard Forth jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2016-09-28 13:54 -0700
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