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| Date | 2014-10-22 17:19 -0700 |
| References | <2ccb76c4-b929-43fe-b53e-9fd85ace01a6@googlegroups.com> <1ltvunl.g7df07breb5aN%awegel@arcor.de> <1ec33c18-07ec-40e3-89b2-8447a1db0106@googlegroups.com> <1ltw9xa.zurykc1nnwir0N%awegel@arcor.de> |
| Message-ID | <0d608fc3-3823-407d-ba67-df4b810bd0dc@googlegroups.com> (permalink) |
| Subject | Re: revisiting a prgramming problem |
| From | hughaguilar96@yahoo.com |
On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:23:57 PM UTC-7, Alexander Wegel wrote: > <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote: > > The use of IF when it is not necessary, is very novice-level programming. > > Well - it was meant for a novice to understand, not as an excercise in > premature optimization - so what. Actually, the use of gratuitous control-structures reduces readability. In general, IF statements slow down the reader's understanding of the code because he has to consider two paths, effectively the same as if he had to understand two functions rather than one --- this is made worse by nested IF statements. This point was made in "Thinking Forth" --- it has been well-known since the late 1970s. This problem presented by Gavino is very simple. This is why I challenged Gavino to solve it himself, as his first-ever Forth program (which he didn't do --- no surprise there!). Despite how easy this problem is, Alex still managed to mess it up, using gratuitous control-structures and generally ugly Forth. Consider this thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.lang.forth/codejam/comp.lang.forth/3Y4w_MdYl0k/IMCaSNvF864J Alex is a master of obfuscated Forth code --- here we have his masterpiece: On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:12:25 AM UTC-7, Alex Wegel wrote: > Here it comes - cheers, > Alex > > #! /usr/local/bin/gforth-fast > 0 value hi > create d 36 allot > : wipe d 36 erase 0 to hi ; > : +dig d hi + c! 1 hi + to hi ; > : >dig? > hi begin dup while > 1 - 2dup d + c@ = if nip true exit then > repeat drop false ; > : twiddle dup >r c@ r@ char+ c@ r@ c! r> char+ c! ; > : pars > bounds do > i c@ >dig? if drop else +dig then > loop d twiddle hi 2 max to hi ; > : dig> dup 9 > if 7 + then [char] 0 + ; > : eval > 2dup pars 2dup bounds do i c@ >dig? drop dig> i c! loop > hi base ! s>unumber? drop decimal ; > : getl pad dup 64 stdin read-line throw drop ; > : .. ." Case #" 1 .r ." : " 1 ud.r cr ; > : app getl evaluate 0 do getl eval i 1+ .. wipe loop ; > ' noop is bootmessage > app bye
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revisiting a prgramming problem gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 15:55 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-14 18:52 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-21 17:58 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-21 09:09 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-21 22:18 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-23 15:44 -0400
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-23 17:01 -0400
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 21:33 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 20:40 -0500
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-12-01 22:43 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-12-02 02:47 -0500
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-12-02 11:53 +0000
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-12-02 05:23 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-12-02 09:01 -0500
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-21 22:25 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-21 16:10 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 21:41 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-21 22:30 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-12-01 22:45 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-21 23:04 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-10-21 10:17 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-22 02:13 -0400
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-21 23:26 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-10-22 16:18 +0100
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2014-10-22 21:27 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-24 10:30 +0000
Optimal comparisons for m maximums from n items (was Re: revisiting a prgramming problem) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-10-24 16:29 +0100
Re: Optimal comparisons for m maximums from n items (was Re: revisiting a prgramming problem) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-25 08:27 +0000
Re: Optimal comparisons for m maximums from n items (was Re: revisiting a prgramming problem) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-10-25 18:54 +0100
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2014-10-25 13:28 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2014-10-25 14:28 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2014-10-25 15:17 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Gerry Jackson <spam@qlikz.org> - 2014-10-22 21:57 +0100
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-22 14:06 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-23 00:03 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-23 14:46 +0000
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-23 08:16 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-10-23 19:21 +0100
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-10-23 20:02 +0100
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-23 20:29 +0000
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-10-23 22:23 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-10-23 00:36 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-10-24 10:44 +0100
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-22 17:26 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-23 00:02 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 23:10 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 21:42 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-15 08:18 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-15 08:18 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem november.nihal@gmail.com - 2014-10-15 08:57 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-10-15 17:10 +0100
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-17 21:53 -0400
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-15 08:19 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-10-22 00:30 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-21 16:07 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-10-22 03:23 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-22 02:15 -0400
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-10-22 12:52 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-22 17:19 -0700
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-10-23 16:10 +0200
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-22 02:14 -0400
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 23:21 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-06 02:34 +0000
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-27 08:00 +0000
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-12-27 05:15 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-11-29 17:20 +0000
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 12:00 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-02 16:15 +0000
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Paul Sephton <prsephton@gmail.com> - 2014-12-02 05:06 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem Paul Sephton <prsephton@gmail.com> - 2014-12-02 05:14 -0800
Re: revisiting a prgramming problem the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-12-02 05:24 -0800
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