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  "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-09-09 12:49 -0500
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-09 19:03 +0000
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-09 12:54 -0700
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2022-09-09 20:06 +0000
        Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2022-09-10 02:00 +0000
          Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2022-09-10 12:09 +0000
          Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-09-11 06:31 -0700
            Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2022-09-13 02:19 +0000
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-09 13:10 -0700
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-09 20:11 +0000
        Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-09 16:34 -0700
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-10 18:16 +0200
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-10 17:04 +0000
        Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 08:29 +0000
        Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-09-24 16:24 +0200
          C++ is for real, C is just a toy (Was: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference") gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2022-09-24 15:54 +0000
            Re: C++ is for real, C is just a toy (Was: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference") Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-24 18:07 +0200
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 08:29 +0000
        Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 11:16 +0200
          Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 09:44 +0000
            Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 13:42 +0200
              Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 15:44 +0000
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 17:55 +0200
                  Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 16:17 +0000
                    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 18:22 +0200
                  Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 12:41 -0700
                    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-12 06:10 +0200
                      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-09-12 00:27 -0700
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2022-09-12 09:18 +0200
                  Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-12 09:42 +0200
                  Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-12 15:58 +0000
                    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-12 18:48 +0200
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-09-13 06:47 +0000
                  Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-13 13:29 +0000
                    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-09-14 05:56 +0000
                      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-14 09:37 +0000
          Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-11 16:26 +0000
            Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 18:35 +0200
          Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> - 2022-09-12 19:22 +0200
            Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2022-09-22 19:24 +0000
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Manu Raju <MR@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-11 00:01 +0100
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-10 16:26 -0700
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2022-09-22 19:21 +0000

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#167561 — "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"

"Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
 
https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-reference.html

"Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
that he has a book on the subject is interesting."

"As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation, 
Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to 
do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta. 
The text contains requests for comments."

I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler.

Lynn

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#167562

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>"Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
> 
>https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-reference.html
>
>"Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
>dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
>that he has a book on the subject is interesting."

You know what they say about assumption.  He hasn't had much to
do with the compiler for a couple of decades now.

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#167565

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:49:41 PM UTC-3, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" 
> 
> https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-reference.html 
> 
> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
> that he has a book on the subject is interesting." 
> 
> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation, 
> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to 
> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta. 
> The text contains requests for comments." 
> 
> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler. 
> 
> Lynn

I Got Permission denied
git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/c-intro-and-ref.git
fatal: could not create work tree dir 'c-intro-and-ref': Permission denied

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#167566

In article <f9d12d44-6d1d-44aa-9e75-d442252deeaan@googlegroups.com>,
Thiago Adams  <thiago.adams@gmail.com> wrote:
...
>I Got Permission denied
>git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/c-intro-and-ref.git
>fatal: could not create work tree dir 'c-intro-and-ref': Permission denied

It worked for me.

I hate to say this, but the above error message looks like a client-side
problem.  What was your current directory when you ran "git"?  Was
that directory writable?

-- 
There are two kinds of Republicans: Billionaires and suckers.
Republicans: Please check your bank account and decide which one is you.

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#167572

Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
> In article <f9d12d44-6d1d-44aa-9e75-d442252deeaan@googlegroups.com>,
> Thiago Adams  <thiago.adams@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>>I Got Permission denied
>>git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/c-intro-and-ref.git
>>fatal: could not create work tree dir 'c-intro-and-ref': Permission denied
> 
> It worked for me.

Great. So what's your (and any others') review of the book?
Worth reading? Or more importantly to me, good reference
(including good index, table-of-contents, and, of course,
good content)? I still mostly rely on my K&R2 (though still
have my even older K&R1, mostly for nostalgia).

> I hate to say this, but the above error message looks like a client-side
> problem.  What was your current directory when you ran "git"?  Was
> that directory writable?
-- 
John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )

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#167578

Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> writes:
>>Great. So what's your (and any others') review of the book?
> 
>   There's a PDF in the web. I browsed it briefly.

Couldn't find it on the web. So I did what's been suggested above...
   git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/c-intro-and-ref.git
   cd c-intro-and-ref/
   make c.pdf
So I assume that makes the same thing you're referring to.
Yeah, looks pretty good at quick first glance.

>   It's obviously not intended for beginners. But when you are
>   not a beginner, you will find many things in it you already
>   know. So, it's less suitable as a textbook, more as a
>   reference manual (which is what the author himself says).
>   But, in this area, the ISO C specification is its competition!
-- 
John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )

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#167599

John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> writes:

> [...] what's your (and any others') review of the book?
> Worth reading?  Or more importantly to me, good reference
> (including good index, table-of-contents, and, of course,
> good content)?

My reactions, fwiw...

The book is not so much about C as it is about Stallman's way of
thinking about C.  If you want to think about C in the same way
that he does, this book is almost certainly the best available.
If on the other hand you want to think about C in the same way
that C is described and defined in the ISO C standard, this book
will probably be more distracting than helpful.  Looking over the
book (I certainly didn't read the whole thing), my impression is
RMS can't make up his mind whether he is writing a reference, a
tutorial, or a style guide.  I realize that mixing these three
aspects is common and fashionable these days when writing about
programming languages, but personally it irks me.  K&R very
wisely divided its material into two parts:  one, an introduction
and informal description of the language, and two, a reference.
That was an excellent choice.  The current blender style of
mixing everything together is unfortunately more popular now.

Also, a low-level detail, but one worth mentioning:  the layout
and formatting choices in the book, both for prose and for code,
reflect (in all likelihood) Stallman's preferences.  I'm reminded
of Abraham Lincoln's comment, "For people who like this sort of
thing, this is the sort of thing that these people like."
Personally I prefer a cleaner formatting and layout style (and
yes both for code and for prose).

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#167658

Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
> John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> writes:
> 
>> [...] what's your (and any others') review of the book?
>> Worth reading?  Or more importantly to me, good reference
>> (including good index, table-of-contents, and, of course,
>> good content)?
> 
> My reactions, fwiw...
> 
> The book is not so much about C as it is about Stallman's way of
> thinking about C.  If you want to think about C in the same way
> that he does, this book is almost certainly the best available.
> If on the other hand you want to think about C in the same way
> that C is described and defined in the ISO C standard, this book
> will probably be more distracting than helpful.  Looking over the
> book (I certainly didn't read the whole thing), my impression is
> RMS can't make up his mind whether he is writing a reference, a
> tutorial, or a style guide.  I realize that mixing these three
> aspects is common and fashionable these days when writing about
> programming languages, but personally it irks me.  K&R very
> wisely divided its material into two parts:  one, an introduction
> and informal description of the language, and two, a reference.
> That was an excellent choice.  The current blender style of
> mixing everything together is unfortunately more popular now.
> 
> Also, a low-level detail, but one worth mentioning:  the layout
> and formatting choices in the book, both for prose and for code,
> reflect (in all likelihood) Stallman's preferences.  I'm reminded
> of Abraham Lincoln's comment, "For people who like this sort of
> thing, this is the sort of thing that these people like."
> Personally I prefer a cleaner formatting and layout style (and
> yes both for code and for prose).

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I overall liked the K&R style
somewhat better, too (though I haven't read RMS's thoroughly
enough, i.e., barely browsed it so far, to really have any
opinion -- "so many pdfs, so little time", I'm lucky to read
one percent of the arXiv stuff that I'd like to). Even his
First Example seemed a poor choice given its obvious tutorial
intent -- should encourage readers to focus on syntax/semantics,
whereas even simple recursion makes you think about the algorithm.
-- 
John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )

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#167567

Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> writes:
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:49:41 PM UTC-3, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" 
>> 
>> https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-reference.html 
>> 
>> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
>> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
>> that he has a book on the subject is interesting." 
>> 
>> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation, 
>> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to 
>> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta. 
>> The text contains requests for comments." 
>> 
>> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler. 
>> 
>> Lynn
>
> I Got Permission denied
> git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/c-intro-and-ref.git
> fatal: could not create work tree dir 'c-intro-and-ref': Permission denied

That looks like a problem on your end, for example that you don't have
write access to your current directory.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#167568

Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> writes:
>On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:49:41 PM UTC-3, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" 
>> 
>> https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-reference.html 
>> 
>> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
>> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
>> that he has a book on the subject is interesting." 
>> 
>> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation, 
>> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to 
>> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta. 
>> The text contains requests for comments." 
>> 
>> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler. 
>> 
>> Lynn
>
>I Got Permission denied
>git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/c-intro-and-ref.git
>fatal: could not create work tree dir 'c-intro-and-ref': Permission denied

You might want to chdir to a writable directory...

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#167571

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:11:25 PM UTC-3, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Thiago Adams <thiago...@gmail.com> writes: 
> >On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:49:41 PM UTC-3, Lynn McGuire wrote: 
> >> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" 
> >> 
> >> https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-reference.html 
> >> 
> >> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
> >> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
> >> that he has a book on the subject is interesting." 
> >> 
> >> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation, 
> >> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to 
> >> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta. 
> >> The text contains requests for comments." 
> >> 
> >> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler. 
> >> 
> >> Lynn 
> > 
> >I Got Permission denied 
> >git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/c-intro-and-ref.git 
> >fatal: could not create work tree dir 'c-intro-and-ref': Permission denied
> You might want to chdir to a writable directory...

yes the problem I was in the wrong dir.
now i have
git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/c-intro-and-ref.git
Cloning into 'c-intro-and-ref'...
fatal: unable to access 'https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/c-intro-and-ref.git/': server certificate verification failed. CAfile: none CRLfile: none
I will wait for the pdf or html

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#167585

Am 09.09.2022 um 19:49 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
> 
> https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-reference.html
> 
> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
> that he has a book on the subject is interesting."
> 
> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation, 
> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to 
> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta. 
> The text contains requests for comments."
> 
> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler.
> 
> Lynn

C is a good language to learn programming
but actually not to solve real tasks.

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#167586

Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> writes:
>Am 09.09.2022 um 19:49 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
>> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
>> 
>> https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-reference.html
>> 
>> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
>> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
>> that he has a book on the subject is interesting."
>> 
>> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation, 
>> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to 
>> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta. 
>> The text contains requests for comments."
>> 
>> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler.
>> 
>> Lynn
>
>C is a good language to learn programming
>but actually not to solve real tasks.
>

I think you have that backwards.  Really.

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#167594

On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:04:06 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> writes:
>>Am 09.09.2022 um 19:49 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
>>> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
>>> 
>>>
>https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-re
>ference.html
>>> 
>>> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
>>> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
>>> that he has a book on the subject is interesting."
>>> 
>>> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation, 
>>> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to 
>>> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta. 
>>> The text contains requests for comments."
>>> 
>>> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler.
>>> 
>>> Lynn
>>
>>C is a good language to learn programming
>>but actually not to solve real tasks.
>>
>
>I think you have that backwards.  Really.

Story of his/her/its life.

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#167835

On 9/10/2022 7:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> writes:
>> Am 09.09.2022 um 19:49 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
>>> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
>>>
>>> https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-reference.html
>>>
>>> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or
>>> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement
>>> that he has a book on the subject is interesting."
>>>
>>> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation,
>>> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to
>>> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta.
>>> The text contains requests for comments."
>>>
>>> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> C is a good language to learn programming
>> but actually not to solve real tasks.
>>
> 
> I think you have that backwards.  Really.

Definitely.

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#167837 — C++ is for real, C is just a toy (Was: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference")

In article <tgn3v7$1ui4$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Manfred  <noname@add.invalid> wrote:
...
>>> C is a good language to learn programming
>>> but actually not to solve real tasks.
>>>
>> 
>> I think you have that backwards.  Really.
>
>Definitely.

Normally, one would assume that the first text quoted above was just a typo
or a cut-and-paste error or something like that.

But you should note who wrote it.  Bonita is an unabashed C++ promoter and C
basher (and general, all around, lunatic).  It was intended as written.

-- 
"The party of Lincoln has become the party of John Wilkes Booth."

	- Carlos Alazraqui -

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#167838 — Re: C++ is for real, C is just a toy (Was: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference")

Am 24.09.2022 um 17:54 schrieb Kenny McCormack:
> In article <tgn3v7$1ui4$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Manfred  <noname@add.invalid> wrote:
> ...
>>>> C is a good language to learn programming
>>>> but actually not to solve real tasks.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think you have that backwards.  Really.
>>
>> Definitely.
> 
> Normally, one would assume that the first text quoted above was just a typo
> or a cut-and-paste error or something like that.
> 
> But you should note who wrote it.  Bonita is an unabashed C++ promoter and C
> basher (and general, all around, lunatic).  It was intended as written.

C is an outdated language. It's much likely to make mistakes with C than
with C++ or Rust f.e. and you have a magnitude more work to do the same
thing.

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#167593

On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 18:16:45 +0200
Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> wrote:
>Am 09.09.2022 um 19:49 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
>> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
>> 
>>
>https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-re
>ference.html
>> 
>> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or 
>> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement 
>> that he has a book on the subject is interesting."
>> 
>> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation, 
>> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to 
>> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta. 
>> The text contains requests for comments."
>> 
>> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler.
>> 
>> Lynn
>
>C is a good language to learn programming
>but actually not to solve real tasks.

Real tasks such as most OS kernels and all the GNU command line utilities?

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#167595

Am 11.09.2022 um 10:29 schrieb Muttley@dastardlyhq.com:
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 18:16:45 +0200
> Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Am 09.09.2022 um 19:49 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
>>> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-re
>> ference.html
>>>
>>> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or
>>> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement
>>> that he has a book on the subject is interesting."
>>>
>>> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation,
>>> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to
>>> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta.
>>> The text contains requests for comments."
>>>
>>> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> C is a good language to learn programming
>> but actually not to solve real tasks.
> 
> Real tasks such as most OS kernels and all the GNU command line utilities?

That's a matter of the writer's mindset and tradition and
not of necessities.

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#167596

On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 11:16:14 +0200
Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> wrote:
>Am 11.09.2022 um 10:29 schrieb Muttley@dastardlyhq.com:
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 18:16:45 +0200
>> Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Am 09.09.2022 um 19:49 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
>>>> "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15705-richard-stallman-announces-c-re
>
>>> ference.html
>>>>
>>>> "Richard Stallman (RMS) is a controversial figure - you either like or
>>>> dislike him - but you have to assume he knows his C. So an announcement
>>>> that he has a book on the subject is interesting."
>>>>
>>>> "As you might guess, being the founder of the Free Software Foundation,
>>>> Stallman's book is free to download, but at this stage you will have to
>>>> do some work if you want to read it and it seems to be still in beta.
>>>> The text contains requests for comments."
>>>>
>>>> I did not know that RS wrote the first gcc compiler.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> C is a good language to learn programming
>>> but actually not to solve real tasks.
>> 
>> Real tasks such as most OS kernels and all the GNU command line utilities?
>
>That's a matter of the writer's mindset and tradition and
>not of necessities.

The necessity is for a language that can have embedded assembler, is very
efficient to compile and once compiled and is explicit. Because of this C++'s
hidden conversions, exceptions and most of the STL can be ruled out which
doesn't leave much left thats an advantage over C.

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