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  Fascist troll jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-10-08 18:10 +0200
    Re: Fascist troll Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-08 11:29 -0500
    Re: Fascist troll James Lothian <james@firstnamelastname.freeserve.co.uk> - 2012-10-08 17:29 +0100
      Re: Fascist troll Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-10-08 09:47 -0700
        Re: Fascist troll Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-10-10 06:46 -0700
    Re: Fascist troll Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-10-08 17:59 +0100
      Re: Fascist troll gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-10-08 17:16 +0000
      Re: Fascist troll Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-10-08 12:12 -0700
    Re: Fascist troll "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-10-08 18:16 +0100
    Re: Fascist troll BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2012-10-08 18:57 +0000
      Re: Fascist troll Greg Martin <greg@softsprocket.com> - 2012-10-08 12:32 -0700
    Re: Fascist troll Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-10-08 21:13 +0000
    Re: Fascist troll Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2012-10-08 20:52 -0600
      Re: Fascist troll Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 11:40 +0100
        Re: Fascist troll gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-10-09 13:46 +0000
          Re: Fascist troll Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2012-10-18 21:32 -0400
            Re: Fascist troll Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-10-19 02:54 +0000
              Re: Fascist troll gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-10-19 03:18 +0000
                Re: Fascist troll jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-10-19 09:05 +0200
                  Re: Fascist troll Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-10-19 05:24 -0700
                    OT Re: Fascist troll Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 16:30 +0100
                  Re: Fascist troll gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-10-19 14:16 +0000
                  OT Re: Fascist troll Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 16:04 +0100
                  Re: Fascist troll Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-10-20 09:52 +1300
                    Re: Fascist troll Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-10-21 11:13 +0300
              Re: Fascist troll Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 15:47 +0100
          OT Re: Fascist troll Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 15:36 +0100
            Re: OT Re: Fascist troll Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-10-19 07:56 -0700
              Re: OT Re: Fascist troll Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 16:06 +0100
                Re: OT Re: Fascist troll "Armstrong" <gbw823@wood.net> - 2012-10-20 23:31 -0600
                  Re: OT Re: Fascist troll Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-10-21 04:46 -0700
                    Re: OT Re: Fascist troll "Amy" <ames39@yorktown.net> - 2012-10-22 02:59 -0600
                      Re: OT Re: Fascist troll Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-10-22 09:45 -0700
    Re: Fascist troll Mark Bluemel <mark_bluemel@pobox.com> - 2012-10-09 12:04 +0100
      Re: Fascist troll "Armstrong" <gbw823@wood.net> - 2012-10-21 00:01 -0600

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#27367 — OT Re: Fascist troll

Malcolm McLean wrote:

> But if you want to take some sort of formal action against Adolph Hitler,
> then I will co-operate. I don't know quite how I will be useful since
> every post is a matter of record.

This is a good point which must be emphasized.  The "ignore them and they'll 
go away" suggestion applies mainly to the cases where legal recourse is not 
available or considered.  If Jacob Navia is willing to resort to legal means 
then I believe he certainly will be able to make a good slander/libel case, 
no matter what jurisdiction applies, and that every regular will support 
him.


Rui Maciel

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#27359

In article <k5qu3b$n6p$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
jacob navia  <jacob@jspamsink.org> wrote:
...
>What was even more disgusting is the silence that ensued, as if having a 
>fascist scream its shit all over the place was something absolutely normal.

Unfortunately, in *this* newsgroup, it is entirely normal.

And, in regards to Malcolm's comment about a.r.r-c, the thing is, we all
know that alt.* is a sewer (and those of us who enjoy posting there
understand that well going in), and, for that matter, anything outside of
comp.* is suspect as well - those groups are mostly about people BS'ing each
other rather than people discussing rationally discussing things and
(sometimes) actually trying to help each other.

But, the point is, CLC is unique (within my experience) in being in the
comp.* hierarchy and yet being as stupid and inward looking as, say,
talk.abortion.

-- 
Those on the right constantly remind us that America is not a
democracy; now they claim that Obama is a threat to democracy.

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#27365 — OT Re: Fascist troll

jacob navia wrote:

> For me it was really too much. I am used to this bullying and cicious
> attacks by people in this group since years, and I have stopped posting
> so much.

The only criticism that you systematicaly got from the regulars was due to 
your insistence in spamming the group with gratuituous plugs to your 
compiler, which you certainly admit that were excessive and unwarranted.  
Other than the outcry against the spam you kept posting, you are exactly as 
any other regular that posts here: no more, no less.  In fact, in spite of 
your history of spamming the group, you are still a respected user of this 
group, and certainly the regulars here support you in your C container 
library project.  Therefore, I don't know where you get all this 
victimization.


> But receiving a post from "Adolph Hitler" full of personal insults is a
> progression in the level of this type of attacks.
> 
> What was even more disgusting is the silence that ensued, as if having a
> fascist scream its shit all over the place was something absolutely
> normal.
> 
> This silence is approval, even if they now say that they "kill filed"
> this troll etc.

What you interpret as being a silence of approval is actually the silence of 
"someone left the loony bin open again.  pay no attention and they'll go 
away".  You should be well aware that this sort of characters feed off 
attention and get their smug satisfaction, their schadenfreude, from seeing 
their targets react exactly like you are reacting right now.


> I do not mind people getting emotional but there are some limits or
> aren't any at all? ANYTHING can be said here?

Of course not.  This is comp.lang.c.  If it isn't about C then people tend 
not to discuss it.  You certainly know this by now.


Rui Maciel

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#27378

On 10/19/12 20:05, jacob navia wrote:
> Le 19/10/12 05:18, Kenny McCormack a écrit :
>> In article<20121018194945.189@kylheku.com>,
>> Kaz Kylheku<kaz@kylheku.com>  wrote:
>> ...
>>> Probably because you aren't the target of vicious online stalking or
>>> bullying with offline consequences.
>>>
>>> If we look at some current (or not-so-current-anymore) events, it's obvious
>>> that other people's mileage has sometimes varied in regard to the
>>> effectiveness of "ignore it and it will go away".
>>
>> Indeed.  At last, someone who gets it (In addition to myself and Malcolm).
>>
>> Note, incidentally, that it should not be inferred that either Kaz or me
>> have been the "target of vicious online stalking or bullying with offline
>> consequences".  Merely, that we are not idiots (or ostriches) w.r.t. the
>> fact that such thngs are real and do exist in the post-modern world.
>>
>
> For me it was really too much. I am used to this bullying and cicious
> attacks by people in this group since years, and I have stopped posting
> so much.

With the exception of the crackpot stalkers, which incidentally are easy 
to kill file, you don't cop any more undeserved flak than any one else.

> But receiving a post from "Adolph Hitler" full of personal insults is a
> progression in the level of this type of attacks.
>
> What was even more disgusting is the silence that ensued, as if having a
> fascist scream its shit all over the place was something absolutely normal.

Have you ever considered that many here may not even have seen the post? 
  I didn't.  It appears to have been using a posting host I ignore.

> This silence is approval, even if they now say that they "kill filed"
> this troll etc.

That's nonsense, to people approve of sports shoe adds because they have 
filters to block them?

-- 
Ian Collins

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#27456

Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
> On 10/19/12 20:05, jacob navia wrote:
> > This silence is approval, even if they now say that they "kill filed"
> > this troll etc.
> 
> That's nonsense, to people approve of sports shoe adds because they
> have filters to block them?

So jacob navia thinks that I approve of him, despite, or even because
of, having him killfiled for being an illogical crank for years. That
pretty much proves he's an illogical crank!

Phil
-- 
Regarding TSA regulations:
How are four small bottles of liquid different from one large bottle?
Because four bottles can hold the components of a binary liquid explosive,
whereas one big bottle can't. -- camperdave responding to MacAndrew on /.

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#27361

Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> Probably because you aren't the target of vicious online stalking or
> bullying with offline consequences.

Would it really be any different if he was targetted by a troll?


> If we look at some current (or not-so-current-anymore) events, it's
> obvious that other people's mileage has sometimes varied in regard to the
> effectiveness of "ignore it and it will go away".

If you doubt its effectiveness then start posting anonymously.


Rui Maciel

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#27360 — OT Re: Fascist troll

Kenny McCormack wrote:

> As I said before, this "just ignore it; it will go away" is good advice in
> the old hacker model (where it is "just us").  But it doesn't work in the
> new world - where things like Twitter and Facebook (and Usenet) are real
> parts of our lives - understood (to some degree, heh heh) by the mass
> public, and subject to the straight world's laws and customs.

Usenet is a real part of people's lifes as much as facebook and twitter is.  
Although usenet is much less popular, the only detail that is actually 
different is the technology behind it and how the medium is implemented and 
managed, and these tech-related details are irrelevant.


> People have died as a result of trolling 

Could you please point out one case where someone died due to being trolled?


Rui Maciel

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#27362 — Re: OT Re: Fascist troll

On Friday, October 19, 2012 3:36:32 PM UTC+1, Rui Maciel wrote:
> Kenny McCormack wrote:
>  
> Could you please point out one case where someone died due to being trolled?
> 
There was a case where a girl was bullied by another girl at school.
The mother of the bullied girl set up a fake account under a boys' name and
started up a relationship. Then she terminated it, and the girl committed
suicide.

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#27366 — Re: OT Re: Fascist troll

Malcolm McLean wrote:

> On Friday, October 19, 2012 3:36:32 PM UTC+1, Rui Maciel wrote:
>> Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>  
>> Could you please point out one case where someone died due to being
>> trolled?
>> 
> There was a case where a girl was bullied by another girl at school.
> The mother of the bullied girl set up a fake account under a boys' name
> and started up a relationship. Then she terminated it, and the girl
> committed suicide.

Bullying and trolling are two entirely different things.


Rui Maciel

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#27435 — Re: OT Re: Fascist troll

Rui Maciel wrote:
> Malcolm McLean wrote:
>
>> On Friday, October 19, 2012 3:36:32 PM UTC+1, Rui Maciel wrote:
>>> Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>>
>>> Could you please point out one case where someone died due to being
>>> trolled?
>>>
>> There was a case where a girl was bullied by another girl at school.
>> The mother of the bullied girl set up a fake account under a boys'
>> name and started up a relationship. Then she terminated it, and the
>> girl committed suicide.
>
> Bullying and trolling are two entirely different things.
>

In this thread, can be found, those hunting the witch (with match ready),
those challenging the witch hunters. Oh, and the lurkers (noted by absence). 
Oh, and the troll, of
course. The witch-hunters fly their flags and want "justice", for ... ? What
is "justice?". Don't worry your ugly little heads about that now, because
before you can even entertain such thought, you have to have a "judicial
system"?  Isn't that the rub! As laughable as "innocent until proven
guilty"!. The "healing" evangelists, had "time on their side".. but that was
in the 1950's. But isn't witch-burning still the basis of all "law"? And
what about those who are "lost in time", while you keep on with your "witch 
hunts"?

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#27465 — Re: OT Re: Fascist troll

On Sunday, October 21, 2012 6:58:03 AM UTC+1, Armstrong wrote:
> Rui Maciel wrote:
> 
> In this thread, can be found, those hunting the witch (with match ready), 
> those challenging the witch hunters. 
>
Witchcraft was made legal in the UK on the basis that there are no witches.

The act of legalisation soon showed up the absurdity of that proposition.

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#27488 — Re: OT Re: Fascist troll

Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Sunday, October 21, 2012 6:58:03 AM UTC+1, Armstrong wrote:
>> Rui Maciel wrote:
>>
>> In this thread, can be found, those hunting the witch (with match
>> ready), those challenging the witch hunters.
>>
> Witchcraft was made legal in the UK on the basis that there are no
> witches.
>
> The act of legalisation soon showed up the absurdity of that
> proposition.

Oh finally, now I am enlightened. I thought it was just the season. Good to 
know that I am not a witch. The only worse thing, apparently, would to be A 
FUCKING MORON. It is one thing to say something, it is another to be A 
FUCKING MORON. For instance, leaves are raked into piles in the season of 
this moon that is now, but why? Why do your kids rake up the leaves into 
piles and then thrust themselves into it and are not afraid of the spiders? 
Answer: because the spiders are afraid of them. YOU are afraid of the 
spiders. And I know why. 

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#27519 — Re: OT Re: Fascist troll

"Amy" <ames39@yorktown.net> writes:
[23 lines deleted]

*yawn*

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#27134

On 08/10/2012 17:10, jacob navia wrote:
> A fascist is trolling around in this newsgroup. He appeared in the thread

Really? I hadn't noticed.

> "C containers library project" (Sep 22th) posting under the name
>
> "Adolf Hitler Nazi@your.crime.net"
>
> and continues to send insults (mainly to me) under the name
> "Agnos".
>
> Taking two posts of "Adoph Hitler" and "Agnos" we see that
>
> AH:    Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 01:54:29 -0600
> Agnos: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:26:55 -0600
>
> Note the same time zone.
>
> Same software in both:
> AH:   X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157
> Agnos:X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157
>
> AH:   X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931
> Agnos:X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931

And what am I supposed to do with this fascinating information?

> Of course nobody has protested in this newsgroup about his posts since
> the troll has mainly insulted me, and that is the hobby here
> as it seems.

I for one have only seen a couple of mails from "Agnos". I presume the 
newsserver I use has discarded Adolf.

As Agnos seemed not to contribute anything of value, I simply killfiled 
him/her/it.

I suggest you do likewise.

You like to consider the Malagasy proverb "In a fight with a fool it's a 
wise man who quits" and a similar remark attributed to George Bernard 
Shaw "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, 
and besides, the pig likes it."

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#27436

Mark Bluemel wrote:
> On 08/10/2012 17:10, jacob navia wrote:
>> A fascist is trolling around in this newsgroup. He appeared in the
>> thread
>
> Really? I hadn't noticed.
>

Liar. You just chose not to participate in, <whatever they were doing>.

>> "C containers library project" (Sep 22th) posting under the name
>>
>> "Adolf Hitler Nazi@your.crime.net"
>>
>> and continues to send insults (mainly to me) under the name
>> "Agnos".
>>
>> Taking two posts of "Adoph Hitler" and "Agnos" we see that
>>
>> AH:    Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 01:54:29 -0600
>> Agnos: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:26:55 -0600
>>
>> Note the same time zone.
>>
>> Same software in both:
>> AH:   X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157
>> Agnos:X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157
>>
>> AH:   X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931
>> Agnos:X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931
>
> And what am I supposed to do with this fascinating information?

Dawn a spooky hood and join the KKC? (:P, witch-hunting cross-lighters).

>
>> Of course nobody has protested in this newsgroup about his posts
>> since the troll has mainly insulted me, and that is the hobby here
>> as it seems.
>
> I for one have only seen a couple of mails from "Agnos".

Ha! "Agnos" has "grown up" some to "mail" status? When did USENET become 
like mail? Are you being "coy"? Are you a "lawyer"? Are those radio tolls 
going active on your command? Yes, I drive my corvette between them at over 
100 miles an hour (every day). It's my Corvette, but your highway? I do it 
every day (OK, I rarely have to drive anywhere anymore, but when I do, I set 
the cruise control and that is at 95, but sometimes I drive it faster). I 
drive over the speed limit in my Corvette.

> As Agnos seemed not to contribute anything of value, I simply
> killfiled him/her/it.

Stop goading, me. I'm here. Not hardly always here. I wanna shut down this 
NG, yes, but I'm the only stupid idiot still listening to it? That's the 
rub, isn't it: C is no good, but it stimulates thinking? (Pfft, I was being 
patronizing in suggesting such). Hey, read it and weap, it is my assessment. 
Some will take it personally, and, indeed, try to use it against me, 
personally; as if USENET was "real", or "if 'we' can make USENET "real", 
imagine how good it could be for us predators. We'd Trump fat old women on 
the net by a wide margin!".

>
> I suggest you do likewise.

Or else what? The decoder ring goes? The flag burns? "What it stands for 
does"? What does your high-on-whatever flag stand for? Lucky for you, you 
can say it the the whole world. What does your flag stand for? While you are 
writing about your flag on the internet, I am having flag-burning events? 
Well, it's not for you low-class idiots, it's just for "middle-class 
American people". I guess you are out if you are not in, huh. Doesn't that 
suck.

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