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  Ken Thompson ? Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> - 2019-06-13 19:35 +0430
    Re: Ken Thompson ? luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2019-06-13 08:23 -0700
      Re: Ken Thompson ? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-06-13 17:23 +0000
      Re: Ken Thompson ? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-06-14 21:23 -0600
    Re: Ken Thompson ? mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-06-13 08:29 -0700
      Re: Ken Thompson ? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-13 23:56 -0700
    Re: Ken Thompson ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-13 09:49 -0700
      Re: Ken Thompson ? My nuts hurt <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-06-13 10:02 -0700
        Re: Ken Thompson ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-13 10:22 -0700
          Re: Ken Thompson ? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-06-14 10:07 +0000
            Re: Ken Thompson ? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-06-14 21:18 -0600
              Re: Ken Thompson ? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-06-15 10:52 +0000
                Re: Ken Thompson ? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-06-15 14:55 -0600
              [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-06-15 13:41 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-15 08:19 -0700
                  Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-06-15 19:28 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-15 12:37 -0700
                      Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-06-15 21:32 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-15 23:45 -0700
                          Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-06-16 12:26 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-06-16 14:48 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-06-17 13:38 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-16 14:23 -0700
                              Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-16 14:24 -0700
                                Ricky, don't lose that number... (Was: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-06-17 02:14 +0000
                                  Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... (Was: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ?) "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-16 23:20 -0700
                                    Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-06-17 13:47 +0000
                                      Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-17 15:36 -0700
                                        Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-06-17 23:07 +0000
                                          Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-20 01:35 -0700
                                        Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-06-18 14:19 +0000
                                          Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-06-18 19:34 +0000
                                      Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... Real Troll <Real.Troll@Trolls.com> - 2019-06-18 16:25 -0400
                                        Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-06-18 21:09 +0000
                                          Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-06-19 03:51 -0700
                                            Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2019-06-19 13:14 +0200
                                  Re: Ricky, don't lose that number... (Was: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ?) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-06-17 02:08 -0700
                  Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-16 02:08 -0700
                    Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-16 02:20 -0700
                      Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-06-17 08:06 -0700
                        Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-06-17 22:50 +0200
                          Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-06-17 14:40 -0700
                        Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-17 15:46 -0700
                          Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-06-18 06:17 -0700
                            Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-20 01:37 -0700
          Re: Ken Thompson ? luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2019-06-14 15:07 -0700
    Re: Ken Thompson ? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-06-13 13:20 -0700
      Re: Ken Thompson ? Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> - 2019-06-14 18:49 +0430
      Re: Ken Thompson ? Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2019-06-14 18:41 -0700
    Re: Ken Thompson ? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-06-14 21:16 -0600
      Re: Ken Thompson ? Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> - 2019-06-15 19:49 +0430
      Re: Ken Thompson ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-06-15 17:56 +0200
        Re: Ken Thompson ? Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2019-06-15 21:49 +0000
          Re: Ken Thompson ? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-06-16 19:22 -0600
        Re: Ken Thompson ? Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> - 2019-06-16 23:13 +0430

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#144950 — Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ?

On 17/06/2019 17:06, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com>
> writes:
> 
>> Imvvvho, Hillary really messed up with that "server".
> 
> There are some opinions I would feel obliged to be
> humble about, but that isn't one of them.
> 

(This thread is already hopeless off-topic.)

/I/ would be humble about giving such an opinion - because I don't know 
enough about the circumstances.  I don't know, for example, whether the 
private server here was better or worse secured than the official one - 
I could easily imagine it being more secure, though that is unlikely to 
make using it the right course of action.  I don't know how common it is 
to use independent servers instead of the official ones for people high 
in the US administration - certainly Trump's family did exactly the same 
thing.  Perhaps it is common practice.  I don't know to what extent, if 
any, Clinton was actually involved in the use of the server or the 
choice of it - I would find it very believable to think that she had no 
more clue about the technical details than the average politician, and 
relied entirely on an IT staff member.

It is certainly clear that Trump scored a lot of points in the election 
campaign by focusing on Clinton's email server.  But it is far from 
clear, to me at least, that it was her fault (not just her 
responsibility), whether it was a real national security risk, or 
whether it was an unusual situation.  It is not even clear that it 
actually affected the election in any way - if it hadn't happened, I am 
sure Trump would have found something else to focus on instead.

There is a lot more that goes on in politics than the simplified 
versions shown in the media, and perhaps we /should/ be humble about 
expressing opinions on much of it.  On the other hand, that would spoil 
the fun of discussing politics.  Maybe these folks have got it right:

<https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-35524966/house-of-shame-parliament-brawls-around-the-world>

That seems a much more civilised way to settle political disagreements, 
rather than fixating on email servers...

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#144951 — Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ?

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
[...]
> (This thread is already hopeless off-topic.)
[...]

Please stop.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#144953 — Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ?

On 6/17/2019 8:06 AM, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com>
> writes:
> 
>> Imvvvho, Hillary really messed up with that "server".
> 
> There are some opinions I would feel obliged to be
> humble about, but that isn't one of them.

When I first heard about Her server, I just assumed it had to be big 
time secure, nothing to see here, move along! Encrypted, nice and neat. 
The damn Comey comments made me nervous. He acted sort of weird, and 
called Her extremely careless, or something like that. That tripped me up!

If any people from Trumps side uses that same type of setup, they should 
be busted as well. At least heavily reprogrammed into using the standard 
NSA protocols and devices, or whatever.

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#144959 — Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ?

"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com>
writes:

> On 6/17/2019 8:06 AM, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com>
>> writes:
>>
>>> Imvvvho, Hillary really messed up with that "server".
>>
>> There are some opinions I would feel obliged to be
>> humble about, but that isn't one of them.
>
> When I first heard about Her server, I just assumed it had to be
> big time secure, nothing to see here, move along!  [...]

It seems my comment came across differently than how I meant it.
I was deliberately not expressing any opinion on the political
topic, but only about being humble (or not) in expressing the
opinion in question.  Slightly satirically humorous, nothing
more.

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#144989 — Re: [OT] Re: Ken Thompson ?

On 6/18/2019 6:17 AM, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com>
> writes:
> 
>> On 6/17/2019 8:06 AM, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>
>>> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>>> Imvvvho, Hillary really messed up with that "server".
>>>
>>> There are some opinions I would feel obliged to be
>>> humble about, but that isn't one of them.
>>
>> When I first heard about Her server, I just assumed it had to be
>> big time secure, nothing to see here, move along!  [...]
> 
> It seems my comment came across differently than how I meant it.
> I was deliberately not expressing any opinion on the political
> topic, but only about being humble (or not) in expressing the
> opinion in question.  Slightly satirically humorous, nothing
> more.
> 

Yeah. It went over my head. Sorry.

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#144866

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 12:22:42 PM UTC-5, fir wrote:
> W dniu czwartek, 13 czerwca 2019 19:02:41 UTC+2 użytkownik My nuts hurt napisał:
> > On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 9:50:07 AM UTC-7, fir wrote:
> > > W dniu czwartek, 13 czerwca 2019 17:05:23 UTC+2 użytkownik Mehdi Amini Valashani son of Bahram napisał:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > keith thompson is not bad user, though his fault was
> > > 
> > > 1) he was definitelly too brick-ass type fella (being arrogant though not as near as dik idiot etc)
> > > 2) sees this group too narrow
> > > 
> > > advantages
> > > 
> > > 1) stays on topic (boring wing though)
> > > 2) fights with spammers and his feeders
> > > 
> > 
> > A long ago I got a chance to meet both Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson. All I remember about Ken is that he wouldn't give me the time of day. I guess I didn't measure up to his standard? Dunno.
> 
> now in modern world you could talk with anybody wia internet, i for example once ago get my commend liked by Lech Wałęsa (great democracy fighter leader of "Solidarity" )

Weird coincidence. I was at a restaurant yesterday that had a potrait
of Lech Walesa on the wall. We didn't have a clue who it was. We could
identify most of the other pictures but mistook Joseph Pulitzer for 
Trotsky.

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#144820

Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> writes:
> Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?

No, and we're not related, nor have we ever met.

("The_Other_Keith" in my sig was my nickname at a previous job.
A co-worker had the same first name but a different last name.
We called him The_Other_Other_Keith.)

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#144843

On 6/14/19 12:50 AM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> writes:
>> Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?
> 
> No, and we're not related, nor have we ever met.
> 
> ("The_Other_Keith" in my sig was my nickname at a previous job.
> A co-worker had the same first name but a different last name.
> We called him The_Other_Other_Keith.)
> 

And both of you, Ken and Keith Thompson, are very good at C coding too ?

-- 
www.my-c-codes.com/

Farewell.

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#144871

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 13:20:51 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
wrote:

>Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> writes:
>> Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?
>
>No, and we're not related, nor have we ever met.
>
>("The_Other_Keith" in my sig was my nickname at a previous job.
>A co-worker had the same first name but a different last name.
>We called him The_Other_Other_Keith.)

I thanks for that. I had assumed it was to avoid being confused with
Ken Thompson - the The_Other_Ken.

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#144873

Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?

I have never come across "Keith" as a nickname for "Kenneth".

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#144887

On 6/15/19 7:46 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?
> 
> I have never come across "Keith" as a nickname for "Kenneth".
> 

Not a nick name, but maybe a transformation of the name. Even maybe some 
other name rather than Kenneth.

-- 
www.my-c-codes.com/

Farewell.

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#144890

On 15/06/2019 05:16, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?
> 
> I have never come across "Keith" as a nickname for "Kenneth".
> 

Not all nicknames or short forms are logical even to native speakers. 
I'm guessing, by his (or her?) name that Mehdi Amini is not a native 
English speaker - perhaps it seemed like a logical nickname to him.

A person might have a full name "Alexander", but be known to some people 
as "Alex" and others as "Sandy".

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#144905

On 2019-06-15, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> On 15/06/2019 05:16, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?
>> 
>> I have never come across "Keith" as a nickname for "Kenneth".
>> 
>
> Not all nicknames or short forms are logical even to native speakers. 
> I'm guessing, by his (or her?) name that Mehdi Amini is not a native 
> English speaker - perhaps it seemed like a logical nickname to him.
>
> A person might have a full name "Alexander", but be known to some people 
> as "Alex" and others as "Sandy".

Likewise: William vs. Bill, Richard vs. Dick and so on.

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#144937

Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> writes:

> On 2019-06-15, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>> On 15/06/2019 05:16, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>> Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?
>>> 
>>> I have never come across "Keith" as a nickname for "Kenneth".
>>> 
>>
>> Not all nicknames or short forms are logical even to native speakers. 
>> I'm guessing, by his (or her?) name that Mehdi Amini is not a native 
>> English speaker - perhaps it seemed like a logical nickname to him.
>>
>> A person might have a full name "Alexander", but be known to some people 
>> as "Alex" and others as "Sandy".
>
> Likewise: William vs. Bill, Richard vs. Dick and so on.

People are giving various examples of nicknames -- and yes, I am a
Joseph who goes by Joe, my son is a Joseph who goes by Joel (which is a
really unusual nickname, I grant you), and his son is a Joseph who goes
by J.

But I still haven't seen an actual example of a Kenneth who goes by
Keith.

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#144926

On 6/15/19 8:26 PM, David Brown wrote:
> On 15/06/2019 05:16, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Mehdi Amini <atorrses@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is Keith Thompson actually Ken Thompson ? Maybe his name is Kenneth ?
>>
>> I have never come across "Keith" as a nickname for "Kenneth".
>>
> 
> Not all nicknames or short forms are logical even to native speakers. 
> I'm guessing, by his (or her?) name that Mehdi Amini is not a native 
> English speaker - perhaps it seemed like a logical nickname to him.
> 
> A person might have a full name "Alexander", but be known to some people 
> as "Alex" and others as "Sandy".
> 

Not a native English speaker here, my native language is Persian.

-- 
www.my-c-codes.com/

Farewell.

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