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  Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 05:01 -0800
    Whackjob (Was: Go to church) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-02-12 13:13 +0000
    Re: Go to church "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 00:33 +0800
      Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-12 19:51 -0800
        Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 20:51 -0800
          Re: Go to church Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2017-02-13 12:37 -0500
            Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 09:54 -0800
            Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-13 16:00 -0800
              Re: Go to church Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-02-16 19:27 -0700
                Re: Go to church Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-02-17 08:50 +0000
                Re: Go to church joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-01 18:46 -0700
    Re: Go to church Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2017-02-13 14:15 -0400
      Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 13:29 -0800
      Re: Go to church fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 14:01 -0800
        Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 15:24 -0800
      Re: Go to church "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 01:01 +0800
        Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:30 -0800
          Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 09:52 -0800
            Re: Go to church asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2017-02-15 00:42 -0800
              Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 05:11 -0800
          Re: Go to church "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 22:14 +0800
            Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:10 -0800
              Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:15 -0800
                Re: Go to church "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 00:03 +0800
                  Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:11 -0800
                    Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-15 17:41 -0800
                      Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 18:24 -0800
                        Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-15 19:08 -0800
                          Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-15 19:08 -0800
                            Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 19:25 -0800
                              Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-15 20:40 -0800
                                Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 03:35 -0800
                                  Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 04:39 -0800
                                  Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-16 16:54 -0800
                                    Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:15 -0800
                                      Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-16 17:19 -0800
                                        Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 18:25 -0800
                                    Re: Go to church Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-16 17:28 -0800
                                      Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-16 17:44 -0800
                                        Re: Go to church gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-02-17 09:59 +0000
                                          Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 03:34 -0800
                                            Re: Go to church Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-02-18 15:20 -0800
                                          Re: Go to church fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 06:31 -0800
                                      Re: Go to church gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-02-17 09:54 +0000
                                      Re: Go to church "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-02-23 16:12 -0800
                                        Re: Go to church Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-02-24 10:20 +0000
                                      Re: Go to church Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-05-01 13:54 -0700
                                        Re: Go to church Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 14:05 -0700
                                          Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 15:57 -0700
                                            Re: Go to church Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 16:45 -0700
              Re: Go to church "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 00:02 +0800
                Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 08:08 -0800
                Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 09:26 -0800
                  Re: Go to church "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 22:04 +0800
                    Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 06:20 -0800
                      Re: "Growing old exists because of sin"? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 22:44 +0800
                        Re: "Growing old exists because of sin"? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:15 -0800
                          Re: "Growing old exists because of sin"? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 00:09 +0800
                            Re: "Growing old exists because of sin"? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:26 -0800
                              Re: no interest in your magic "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 01:01 +0800
                                Re: no interest in your magic "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 09:10 -0800
                                  Re: no interest in your magic "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 16:27 +0800
                                    Re: no interest in your magic "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 04:33 -0800
                                      Re: no interest in your magic gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-02-19 13:39 +0000
                                        Re: no interest in your magic "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 06:09 -0800
                                          Re: no interest in your magic "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 07:43 -0800
                                            Re: no interest in your magic gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-02-19 16:03 +0000
                                          Re: no interest in your magic gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-02-19 16:05 +0000
                                            Re: no interest in your magic "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 09:20 -0800
              Re: Go to church David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:31 -0700
                Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:41 -0700
                  Re: Go to church Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 14:33 -0700
                    Re: Go to church joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-03 17:27 -0700
                      Re: Go to church Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 22:41 -0700
                        Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 05:23 -0700
                          Re: Go to church joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-04 19:51 -0700
                            Re: Go to church Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:58 -0700
                  Re: Go to church joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-03 17:38 -0700
                    Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 18:23 -0700
                      Re: Go to church Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 22:38 -0700
                    Re: Go to church Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 22:39 -0700
                Re: Go to church Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 14:34 -0700
    Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:33 -0800
      Re: Go to church Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2017-02-16 16:59 -0400
        Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 21:30 -0800
          Re: Go to church Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2017-02-19 01:15 -0400
            Re: Go to church "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 21:24 -0800
              Re: Go to church GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 09:27 +0100
                Re: Go to church joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-01 18:53 -0700
                  Re: Go to church GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 08:59 +0200
                    Re: Go to church joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-03 17:32 -0700
                      Re: Go to church GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 10:39 +0200
                        C#/Mono independence (Re: Go to church) joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-04 16:29 -0700

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#103932

On 15/02/2017 1:30 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 12:01:40 PM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>> I thought all religions on this planet and in this world originated from
>> Middle-East. :)
>
> Investigate it.  Pursue the real and true answer until it yields.  Do not
> let assumption or preconception enter in.  Seek out the full and whole
> truth, because then you will know to the best of your ability.

There is nothing but death in Middle-East. You go investigate it, Your 
Holiness! :)

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#103934

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:14:21 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 15/02/2017 1:30 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 12:01:40 PM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> >> I thought all religions on this planet and in this world originated from
> >> Middle-East. :)
> > Investigate it.  Pursue the real and true answer until it yields.  Do not
> > let assumption or preconception enter in.  Seek out the full and whole
> > truth, because then you will know to the best of your ability.
> 
> There is nothing but death in Middle-East...

Of course.  It is a predominately Muslim region.  The Muslim faith
is a false faith taught by Satan, and it teaches the exact opposite
of Christianity (even teaching that Jesus was only a prophet, and
not the Son of God virgin born):

    http://tinyurl.com/zzr8a5y

Islam is wholly evil.  The only reason there aren't more Muslim
killings is for the same reason there aren't more holy Christians:
people are apostate.  They do not follow the true tenants of their
faith.

If people truly followed the requirements of their Muslim faith,
Sharia Law would be enforced, and people who refused to convert
to Islam would be killed.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#103935

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 10:10:53 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:14:21 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> > On 15/02/2017 1:30 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 12:01:40 PM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> > >> I thought all religions on this planet and in this world originated from
> > >> Middle-East. :)
> > > Investigate it.  Pursue the real and true answer until it yields.  Do not
> > > let assumption or preconception enter in.  Seek out the full and whole
> > > truth, because then you will know to the best of your ability.
> > 
> > There is nothing but death in Middle-East...
> 
> Of course.  It is a predominately Muslim region.  The Muslim faith
> is a false faith taught by Satan, and it teaches the exact opposite
> of Christianity (even teaching that Jesus was only a prophet, and
> not the Son of God virgin born):
> 
>     http://tinyurl.com/zzr8a5y

The above is from 2012.  Here's Pew research from 2015 showing the
future trends.  You'll note how many areas are 90% or greater Muslim
in the Middle-East:

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/21/ec/a1/21eca12c03acf1bfdc0ea1d0db5a8368.png

> Islam is wholly evil.  The only reason there aren't more Muslim
> killings is for the same reason there aren't more holy Christians:
> people are apostate.  They do not follow the true tenants of their
> faith.
> 
> If people truly followed the requirements of their Muslim faith,
> Sharia Law would be enforced, and people who refused to convert
> to Islam would be killed.

Christianity teaches peace.  It teaches that we are to teach people
and warn them, but that is it.  We would rather die ourselves than
inflict harm upon others.  We actually preach to those who are
killing us saying, "You can be forgiven.  Turn away from your killings
and murders and Christ will forgive you."

You'll never find anyone like Christ.  And for those who follow Him
closely, devoutly, you'll see them moving and teaching as He did,
because it is His literal guidance from with as by The Holy Spirit.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#103940

On 15/02/2017 11:15 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Christianity teaches peace.  It teaches that we are to teach people
> and warn them, but that is it.  We would rather die ourselves than
> inflict harm upon others.  We actually preach to those who are
> killing us saying, "You can be forgiven.  Turn away from your killings
> and murders and Christ will forgive you."
>
> You'll never find anyone like Christ.  And for those who follow Him
> closely, devoutly, you'll see them moving and teaching as He did,
> because it is His literal guidance from with as by The Holy Spirit.

Well, death can be peaceful. :)

-- 
   @~@   Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!!
  / v \  Simplicity is Beauty!
/( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you!
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#103943

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 11:03:22 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 15/02/2017 11:15 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >
> > Christianity teaches peace.  It teaches that we are to teach people
> > and warn them, but that is it.  We would rather die ourselves than
> > inflict harm upon others.  We actually preach to those who are
> > killing us saying, "You can be forgiven.  Turn away from your killings
> > and murders and Christ will forgive you."
> >
> > You'll never find anyone like Christ.  And for those who follow Him
> > closely, devoutly, you'll see them moving and teaching as He did,
> > because it is His literal guidance from with as by The Holy Spirit.
> 
> Well, death can be peaceful. :)

It appears so because as the spirit we possess which animates our
physical body leaves our body, we look like we fall asleep.  But
our existence continues on after death.  We are alive, conscious,
aware of our surroundings, and we leave the constraints and confines
of this world, such that we are then no longer under restrictions
regarding those things we cannot know here on this planet in our
physical form.

Once we are in Heaven, we are summoned by name to appear before
God to give an account of our lives.  All people who did not
accept Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord are judged for what they
did.  Those who accepted Him are not judged, but are given rewards
for what they did.

All of this is in the Bible.  Don't rely upon what you hear from
other people.  Read the Bible and seek the truth.  If you do, you
will find it.  That's a promise from God.  I also testify that it
is true.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#103980

On 2/15/2017 8:11 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 11:03:22 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>> On 15/02/2017 11:15 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>
>>> Christianity teaches peace.  It teaches that we are to teach people
>>> and warn them, but that is it.  We would rather die ourselves than
>>> inflict harm upon others.  We actually preach to those who are
>>> killing us saying, "You can be forgiven.  Turn away from your killings
>>> and murders and Christ will forgive you."
>>>
>>> You'll never find anyone like Christ.  And for those who follow Him
>>> closely, devoutly, you'll see them moving and teaching as He did,
>>> because it is His literal guidance from with as by The Holy Spirit.
>>
>> Well, death can be peaceful. :)
>
> It appears so because as the spirit we possess which animates our
> physical body leaves our body, we look like we fall asleep.

I have always thought of it as a sentient entity that is bound to a 
vehicle, and given access to control some aspects of its nature. Imvvho, 
the intelligent entity in charge cannot be destroyed (except by God). 
However, the physical vehicle sure as heck can, we have the free will to 
tell our bodies to jump right off a damn cliff! Think of entities that 
are dealt a vehicle that have systems that are not working.

A lot of people are given a body that has many problems. Also, these 
vehicles break down over time. So, death is simply leaving your crashed, 
totally totaled vehicle for a new one. Iirc, we all have a new spiritual 
body to go into, that can never break down over time because its infinite.

There better be life after death, God or not: Damn it!

;^o





> But
> our existence continues on after death.  We are alive, conscious,
> aware of our surroundings, and we leave the constraints and confines
> of this world, such that we are then no longer under restrictions
> regarding those things we cannot know here on this planet in our
> physical form.
>
> Once we are in Heaven, we are summoned by name to appear before
> God to give an account of our lives.  All people who did not
> accept Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord are judged for what they
> did.  Those who accepted Him are not judged, but are given rewards
> for what they did.
>
> All of this is in the Bible.  Don't rely upon what you hear from
> other people.  Read the Bible and seek the truth.  If you do, you
> will find it.  That's a promise from God.  I also testify that it
> is true.

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#103981

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/15/2017 8:11 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> >> Well, death can be peaceful. :)
> >
> > It appears so because as the spirit we possess which animates our
> > physical body leaves our body, we look like we fall asleep.
> 
> I have always thought of it as a sentient entity that is bound to a 
> vehicle, and given access to control some aspects of its nature...

We were made in God's image.  He is God the Father, God the Son, God
the Holy Spirit.  We are also soul, body, spirit.

Our soul is the true us.  Our bodies are a physical presentation.
Our spirit connects our soul to our body and "quickens" it according
to scripture.

When Adam and Eve sinned, they disobeyed God.  God had only one
punishment for any sin:  eternal death in Hell.  But, because we
are three-fold beings, and because this world is temporal, and
because God is eternal, and because we are eternal, our death was
immediate in eternity, but here in this temporal world we remain
alive for our time here.

There are two lives we possess (physical life, and spiritual life),
and potentially two deaths (physical death, and spiritual death).
We are born into this world alive in our flesh, but dead spiritually.
It's why one year olds are able to lie, get cancer, etc.

If we come to Jesus and acknowledge our sin, repent of our sin, ask
Him to forgiveness, He transfers our sin to Him at the cross (remember
that God is eternal, and He can reach across time and transfer the sin
of anybody past, present, and future), leaving us with His perfect
righteousness (sin-free).  The moment this happens, we are restored to
spiritual life, and are "born again" spiritually, which changes us
here in this world.

If we are born twice here on this Earth (once physically, and the born
again nature of spiritual birth), we will only die once (physically).
We will enter into Heaven to be with God after we leave this world.
We will receive rewards for our service to Him, but will bypass
judgment because Jesus took our judgment in our place.  It's His free
gift to us.

But if we are only born once here on this Earth (physically), we will
die twice (once physically, the second eternally in Hell).

We must ask Jesus to forgive us for our sin, because if we don't we
remain under condemnation, and our future is judgment, condemnation,
and to be cast headlong into the lake of fire from which there will
be no return ever.

It's why I post these messages.  I don't want anyone to perish.  I
try to be peaceful and teaching in my posts, and not respond to those
who mock me.  I recognize the diversity between the flesh nature, and
the spirit nature, so I let those things go by.  But my heart breaks
when I read some of the hateful posts given toward me in the various
forums.  Not because of what is said to me, but because the sentiment
behind the person writing those things comes from a place of non-
repentance, and judgment, and the second death in Hell.

Human souls are precious.  We each deserve to be taught this gospel
"good news" message so we can be saved.  We are beautiful amazing
creations (all of us), and God came here to die in our place to set
us free from judgment and condemnation.  He took on our punishment
in our place so we could be set free ... because He loves us.  But,
we must come to Him acknowledging our sin, knowing it is wrong,
repenting, and asking forgiveness.  Only then are we forgiven.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#103982

On 2/15/2017 6:24 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 2/15/2017 8:11 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>> Well, death can be peaceful. :)
>>>
>>> It appears so because as the spirit we possess which animates our
>>> physical body leaves our body, we look like we fall asleep.
>>
>> I have always thought of it as a sentient entity that is bound to a
>> vehicle, and given access to control some aspects of its nature...
>
> We were made in God's image.

I am not God, therefore I am not His image.



> He is God the Father, God the Son, God
> the Holy Spirit.  We are also soul, body, spirit.

[...]

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#103983

On 2/15/2017 7:08 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/15/2017 6:24 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2017 8:11 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>> Well, death can be peaceful. :)
>>>>
>>>> It appears so because as the spirit we possess which animates our
>>>> physical body leaves our body, we look like we fall asleep.
>>>
>>> I have always thought of it as a sentient entity that is bound to a
>>> vehicle, and given access to control some aspects of its nature...
>>
>> We were made in God's image.
>
> I am not God, therefore I am not His image.

Perhaps you are thinking more on a visual sense?

>
>
>
>> He is God the Father, God the Son, God
>> the Holy Spirit.  We are also soul, body, spirit.
>
> [...]
>

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#103984

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 10:08:51 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/15/2017 7:08 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > On 2/15/2017 6:24 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>> On 2/15/2017 8:11 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>>> Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> >>>>> Well, death can be peaceful. :)
> >>>>
> >>>> It appears so because as the spirit we possess which animates our
> >>>> physical body leaves our body, we look like we fall asleep.
> >>>
> >>> I have always thought of it as a sentient entity that is bound to a
> >>> vehicle, and given access to control some aspects of its nature...
> >>
> >> We were made in God's image.
> >
> > I am not God, therefore I am not His image.
> 
> Perhaps you are thinking more on a visual sense?

You can read for yourself:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1-26.htm
    26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
       and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
       the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
       and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/3-2.htm
    2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear
      what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we
      shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

> >> He is God the Father, God the Son, God
> >> the Holy Spirit.  We are also soul, body, spirit.

Regarding the spirit, it animates our flesh.  We have our own spirit,
which is dead in sin for the unregenerated, but to be here in this
world God "loans" us a spirit that is withdrawn when we die in our
flesh:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/6-63.htm
    63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
       the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are
       life.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_corinthians/3-6.htm
    6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not
      of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but
      the spirit giveth life.

There is a special nature of the words of God which are written in
the Bible.  That nature is spirit nature, which goes into us in a way
different than other books written by man.  His words are physically
on the page in the same way (ink, paper), but that which they convey
into us is spirit, and it is life.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/4-17.htm
    17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,)
       before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead,
       and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God has authority to do things man cannot.  He moves in ways that have
been revealed in the Bible, but also in other ways which are miracles.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#103986

On 2/15/2017 7:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 10:08:51 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 2/15/2017 7:08 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2017 6:24 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>> On 2/15/2017 8:11 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>>> Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, death can be peaceful. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears so because as the spirit we possess which animates our
>>>>>> physical body leaves our body, we look like we fall asleep.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have always thought of it as a sentient entity that is bound to a
>>>>> vehicle, and given access to control some aspects of its nature...
>>>>
>>>> We were made in God's image.
>>>
>>> I am not God, therefore I am not His image.
>>
>> Perhaps you are thinking more on a visual sense?
>
> You can read for yourself:

I know. Btw, who is our? Was God ever really alone?

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#103991

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>On 2/15/2017 7:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: 
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 10:08:51 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: 
>>> On 2/15/2017 7:08 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: 
>>>> On 2/15/2017 6:24 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: 
>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote: 
>>>>>> On 2/15/2017 8:11 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: 
>>>>>>> Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: 
>>>>>>>> Well, death can be peaceful. :) 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It appears so because as the spirit we possess which animates our 
>>>>>>> physical body leaves our body, we look like we fall asleep. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have always thought of it as a sentient entity that is bound to a 
>>>>>> vehicle, and given access to control some aspects of its nature... 
>>>>> 
>>>>> We were made in God's image. 
>>>> 
>>>> I am not God, therefore I am not His image. 
>>> Perhaps you are thinking more on a visual sense?
>>
>> You can read for yourself: 
> Btw, who is our? Was God ever really alone?

I sometimes wonder if you actually read what I write. :-)

"Our" is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/5-7.htm
    7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,
      the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and
      these three are one.

We have the written word (the Bible), but everything was made by Jesus.
He is the true Word, the living Word.

This is where people get the "Trinity," with "God in three persons,"
but God is one, just as we are one with our soul, body, spirit.  We
just 

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#103997

"Our" is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/5-7.htm
    7 For there are three that bear record in
      heaven, the Father, the Word, and the
      Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

We have the written word (the Bible), but
everything was made by Jesus. He is the true
Word, the living Word.

This is where people get the "Trinity," with
"God in three persons," but God is one, just
as we are one with our soul, body, spirit.

We just have presentations from our soul into
the physical world (body) and spiritual world
(spirit).

There is more to us than we know in our flesh.
We can read about it in the Bible, but until we
set our sights on seeking the truth, we will only
read stories, understanding only in part.  It will
have no saving power for us, no redeeming
power.  But if we set our sights on knowing the
truth, the God opens up our understanding so
we can know.  It is new spiritual knowledge, and
it is sure and certain ... but you can't get it until
it is given you by God.

Seek the truth and you will know.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#104047

On 2/16/2017 3:35 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 2/15/2017 7:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 10:08:51 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 2/15/2017 7:08 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>> On 2/15/2017 6:24 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/15/2017 8:11 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well, death can be peaceful. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It appears so because as the spirit we possess which animates our
>>>>>>>> physical body leaves our body, we look like we fall asleep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have always thought of it as a sentient entity that is bound to a
>>>>>>> vehicle, and given access to control some aspects of its nature...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We were made in God's image.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not God, therefore I am not His image.
>>>> Perhaps you are thinking more on a visual sense?
>>>
>>> You can read for yourself:
>> Btw, who is our? Was God ever really alone?
>
> I sometimes wonder if you actually read what I write. :-)
>
> "Our" is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit:

I don't think so. God said:

Let us make man in our image.

God is communicating with other entities.


>
>     http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/5-7.htm
>     7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,
>       the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and
>       these three are one.
>
> We have the written word (the Bible), but everything was made by Jesus.
> He is the true Word, the living Word.
>
> This is where people get the "Trinity," with "God in three persons,"
> but God is one, just as we are one with our soul, body, spirit.  We
> just
>
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>

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#104048

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 7:54:16 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/16/2017 3:35 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > "Our" is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit:
> 
> I don't think so. God said:  Let us make man in our image.
> God is communicating with other entities.

You have to see the root words in the original Hebrew, and see how those
words are used in the rest of the Bible, to realize what was meant:

    http://biblehub.com/text/genesis/1-26.htm
    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_6213.htm
    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_6754.htm

God is uniquely identified as God the Father, God the Son, and God the
Holy Spirit/Ghost.  In various contexts, God refers to a component of
God's nature (Jesus talking about His Father, or about the Comforter/
Holy Ghost being sent after He returns to Heaven and sits down at the
right hand of the Father).  In other contexts God is referred to as
one.

We won't understand the fullness of this relationship here on this
Earth because of our limited perspective here due to sin.  But, on the
other side it will all be made clear:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/13.htm
    12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:
       now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am
       known.

It's all there, Chris.  It takes real study to understand it all, but
there's nothing lacking.  In fact, it's an exhaustive and truly amazing
authority.  I advise everyone to study it.  It will reveal everything
about you, about God, about others, about sin, about the hereafter (as
much as we can legally know), etc.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#104049

On 2/16/2017 5:15 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 7:54:16 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 2/16/2017 3:35 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> "Our" is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit:
>>
>> I don't think so. God said:  Let us make man in our image.
>> God is communicating with other entities.
>
> You have to see the root words in the original Hebrew, and see how those
> words are used in the rest of the Bible, to realize what was meant:
>
>     http://biblehub.com/text/genesis/1-26.htm
>     http://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_6213.htm
>     http://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_6754.htm


So, was God communicating with Himself? To me, without the proper 
translation, it sure sounds as if He is talking to other beings He created.

>
> God is uniquely identified as God the Father, God the Son, and God the
> Holy Spirit/Ghost.  In various contexts, God refers to a component of
> God's nature (Jesus talking about His Father, or about the Comforter/
> Holy Ghost being sent after He returns to Heaven and sits down at the
> right hand of the Father).  In other contexts God is referred to as
> one.
>
> We won't understand the fullness of this relationship here on this
> Earth because of our limited perspective here due to sin.  But, on the
> other side it will all be made clear:
>
>     http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/13.htm
>     12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:
>        now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am
>        known.
>
> It's all there, Chris.  It takes real study to understand it all, but
> there's nothing lacking.  In fact, it's an exhaustive and truly amazing
> authority.  I advise everyone to study it.  It will reveal everything
> about you, about God, about others, about sin, about the hereafter (as
> much as we can legally know), etc.

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#104052

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/16/2017 5:15 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 7:54:16 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> On 2/16/2017 3:35 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> "Our" is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit:
> >>
> >> I don't think so. God said:  Let us make man in our image.
> >> God is communicating with other entities.
> >
> > You have to see the root words in the original Hebrew, and see how those
> > words are used in the rest of the Bible, to realize what was meant:
> >
> >     http://biblehub.com/text/genesis/1-26.htm
> >     http://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_6213.htm
> >     http://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_6754.htm
> 
> 
> So, was God communicating with Himself? To me, without the proper 
> translation, it sure sounds as if He is talking to other beings He created.

We (man) are the only being made in His image.  Even the angels are not
crafted as we are.  We are shown things they are not, even as they are
(today) shown things we have not yet been shown.  But we are God's object.
He sent His Son to die for us.  He did not come to redeem fallen angels,
but only fallen man.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_peter/1-12.htm
    12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us
       they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by
       them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost
       sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Angels are God's servants:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/hebrews/1-14.htm
    14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for
       them who shall be heirs of salvation?

> > God is uniquely identified as God the Father, God the Son, and God the
> > Holy Spirit/Ghost.  In various contexts, God refers to a component of
> > God's nature (Jesus talking about His Father, or about the Comforter/
> > Holy Ghost being sent after He returns to Heaven and sits down at the
> > right hand of the Father).  In other contexts God is referred to as
> > one.
> >
> > We won't understand the fullness of this relationship here on this
> > Earth because of our limited perspective here due to sin.  But, on the
> > other side it will all be made clear:
> >
> >     http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/13.htm
> >     12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:
> >        now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am
> >        known.
> >
> > It's all there, Chris.  It takes real study to understand it all, but
> > there's nothing lacking.  In fact, it's an exhaustive and truly amazing
> > authority.  I advise everyone to study it.  It will reveal everything
> > about you, about God, about others, about sin, about the hereafter (as
> > much as we can legally know), etc.

I know Keith thinks I'm a troll.  It's an incorrect summary judgment of
me based on an unexamined outward observation.  The enemy works through
people like Keith to try to keep others away from coming to the truth.

If you have legitimate interests in knowing this information, do not let
anyone stop you in pursuing it.  It is the cost of pursuing the truth...
you must pursue it fully, at all times, and without relenting.

Ask yourself if you serve Keith's desires, or if you are in pursuit of
the truth (even if Keith winds up being wrong in his summary assessment).

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#104050

"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
[SNIP]

Chris, if you continue feeding this troll I will killfile you.
I'd rather not, since you've had useful things to say about C.
Last warning.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#104051

On 2/16/2017 5:28 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
> [SNIP]
>
> Chris, if you continue feeding this troll I will killfile you.
> I'd rather not, since you've had useful things to say about C.
> Last warning.
>

Okay.

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#104058

In article <o85kf1$tjj$1@dont-email.me>,
Chris M. Thomasson <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 2/16/2017 5:28 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> [SNIP]
>>
>> Chris, if you continue feeding this troll I will killfile you.
>> I'd rather not, since you've had useful things to say about C.
>> Last warning.
>>
>
>Okay.

Good.  Don't let Kiki bully you.

Being killfiled by him is actually a badge of honor; it is certainly no loss.

-- 
To my knowledge, Jacob Navia is not a Christian.

    - Rick C Hodgin -

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